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woj · 09-17-2005, 02:04 PM

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3M TA3 · 09-17-2005, 02:11 PM

wait....who's asking again?

sumphatpimp · 09-17-2005, 02:39 PM

Zombie enough machines so that they all send out tons of junk messages (like a DDOS). Problem is zombieing all those machines, and have them lay domant until ready for the big day.

orgasmo · 09-17-2005, 02:52 PM

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Originally Posted by slackologist

EMP could take out the majority of end users in an area but most backbones/military/redundant systems would survive at least a single blast.

Effects of an EMP

Although the electric field created from an EMP lasts for only a short time, its effects can be devastating. It is predicted that a single high altitude burst 200 miles above Kansas could propagate an EMP enveloping the entire United States. Electrical systems connected to things that can conduct current like wires, antennas, and metal objects will suffer significant damage. EMP effects on electronics include interference of radio frequency links, irreparable damage to microcircuits, and even the disabling of satellites. Fortunately, electronic equipment that is turned off is less likely to be damaged.

ya, i see something like this happening. the goverment trying to "help" us and trying to take down the internet or something where they don't want us having electricity, phones or anything etc. so they just use this. i wonder what the usa defense tactics are for what happens if we went to a war here on our land

The Sultan Of Smut · 09-17-2005, 03:01 PM

It was originally designed to withstand a nuclear attack and still allow for military communication (ARPANET). Saddam had his own version of the internet in Iraq and Bush Sr. bombed the shit out of it to disrupt Iraqi military communication - it still survived.

broke · 09-17-2005, 03:10 PM

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Originally Posted by $5 submissions

Probably not since there's so many backbones all over the world now. And even if they are taken out aren't there small tributaries that can reroute the data?

Imagine one of the root DNS servers sending out fake DNS data over a short period of time... getting mirrored on another.... getting mirrored on another...

It's not likely...

But.

u-Bob · 09-17-2005, 04:01 PM

it's possible... take out a few links here and there.... you'll end up with 1000s of small networks...

Greg B · 09-17-2005, 04:16 PM

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Originally Posted by The Sultan Of Smut

It was originally designed to withstand a nuclear attack and still allow for military communication (ARPANET). Saddam had his own version of the internet in Iraq and Bush Sr. bombed the shit out of it to disrupt Iraqi military communication - it still survived.

I thought about that while listening to an expert talk about what happened when the U.S. tested nukes in space. A real fuck of a problem as it knocked out satellites.

I'm sure however there are contigencies for EMP.

je_rome · 09-18-2005, 08:36 PM

I say its not far impossible. You'll never know what people in power can do nowadays.

Ron Bennett · 09-18-2005, 08:55 PM

The root server data is cached throughout much of the Internet - ie. most ISPs, servers, etc cache that data.

The zones, such as .COM, .NET .CO.UK, .DE, etc are another story completely - but again, zones are widely distributed / cached.

In a nutshell, while many folks focus on root servers, etc ... that's among the stronger, more resilient parts of the internet despite how centralized that part is.

Routing, in particular NAPs, is where the internet is more vulnerable ...

Zap a few NAPs (network access points where large amounts of traffic is exchanged with other networks) and much of the internet will grind to a halt; peering arrangements outside NAPs only offers minimal protection in situations where numerous NAPs are affected due to the large volume of traffic involved.

Continuing on that thought - hacking, etc likely won't do diddly overall ... for a NON-government entity to knock out the internet would likely require physical access / destruction to facilities/networks ...

In regards to the government ... they can shut off large portions of the internet (most, if not all, NAPs are already tapped by governments) any time if the government was determined too; they likely never would because much of the government itself greatly relies on the same internet network itself for critical functions - ie. military, nuclear plants, collecting taxes, banking (some parts, such as Fedwire, are totally on private networks, but ATMs, on-line banking, etc are not) ...

Contrary to belief of some, Internet II is very limited in scope; much infrastructure relies on the same internet folks use ... anyone doubting that need look no further than the Slammer worm that led, in part, to the blackouts in 2003.

Ron

tony286 · 09-18-2005, 08:58 PM

I think if they pushed that, the people would wake up and turn on them

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Ron Bennett Confirmed User Join Date: Oct 2003 Posts: 1,653	The root server data is cached throughout much of the Internet - ie. most ISPs, servers, etc cache that data. The zones, such as .COM, .NET .CO.UK, .DE, etc are another story completely - but again, zones are widely distributed / cached. In a nutshell, while many folks focus on root servers, etc ... that's among the stronger, more resilient parts of the internet despite how centralized that part is. Routing, in particular NAPs, is where the internet is more vulnerable ... Zap a few NAPs (network access points where large amounts of traffic is exchanged with other networks) and much of the internet will grind to a halt; peering arrangements outside NAPs only offers minimal protection in situations where numerous NAPs are affected due to the large volume of traffic involved. Continuing on that thought - hacking, etc likely won't do diddly overall ... for a NON-government entity to knock out the internet would likely require physical access / destruction to facilities/networks ... In regards to the government ... they can shut off large portions of the internet (most, if not all, NAPs are already tapped by governments) any time if the government was determined too; they likely never would because much of the government itself greatly relies on the same internet network itself for critical functions - ie. military, nuclear plants, collecting taxes, banking (some parts, such as Fedwire, are totally on private networks, but ATMs, on-line banking, etc are not) ... Contrary to belief of some, Internet II is very limited in scope; much infrastructure relies on the same internet folks use ... anyone doubting that need look no further than the Slammer worm that led, in part, to the blackouts in 2003. Ron __________________ Domagon - Website Management and Domain Name Sales

09-17-2005, 02:39 PM	#53
sumphatpimp Confirmed User Join Date: Aug 2002 Posts: 5,235	Zombie enough machines so that they all send out tons of junk messages (like a DDOS). Problem is zombieing all those machines, and have them lay domant until ready for the big day.

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The Sultan Of Smut Confirmed User Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Vancouver Posts: 4,325	It was originally designed to withstand a nuclear attack and still allow for military communication (ARPANET). Saddam had his own version of the internet in Iraq and Bush Sr. bombed the shit out of it to disrupt Iraqi military communication - it still survived.

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