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jerzeemedia · 09-13-2005, 11:31 AM

Hey folks,

Anyone practice it/use it? Worth it? Please feel free to express opinions if ya have 'em. Also, if you know of any good card counting trainers (software)? I've got "Knock Out Blackjack" (the book) so I was following along with that.

Regards,

JM

FreeHugeMovies · 09-13-2005, 11:38 AM

It works well but you have to learn how to do it. Practice with one deck then move onto a real game. Then add players, noise and etc etc and test your skills.

JJ Gold · 09-13-2005, 11:43 AM

Counting is useless unless you can find a casino with deep penetration. Very hard these days. Especially with all the CSMs.

Good luck.

Read "Beat The Dealer". That is the bible.

jerzeemedia · 09-13-2005, 11:52 AM

Good advice and info, appreciate it. I've got "Beat the dealer" here also. I'm just working on memorizing BS perfectly before I move onto counting. Trying my best here. Anyone here play online blackjack? (for fun)

Regards,

JM

Ninja Scripts · 09-13-2005, 11:54 AM

It works of course but it's like having a job. You have to be 100% dedicated, manage money well, and be able to take swings without going nuts.

Good luck.

jerzeemedia · 09-13-2005, 12:03 PM

Thanks Ninja. Was looking online for a set of "flash cards" I could use to get better with BS. I hope the chart in "Knock Out Blackjack" is the same as others..should be right? Basic strategy is basic strategy all over no?

Re,

JM

detoxed · 09-13-2005, 12:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Ninja Scripts

It works of course but it's like having a job. You have to be 100% dedicated, manage money well, and be able to take swings without going nuts.

Good luck.

Lol funny

Ninja Scripts · 09-13-2005, 12:17 PM

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Originally Posted by detoxed

Lol funny

Job = running a business, I'm tired.

Other than that what's funny?

Ninja Scripts · 09-13-2005, 12:18 PM

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Originally Posted by jerzeemedia

Thanks Ninja. Was looking online for a set of "flash cards" I could use to get better with BS. I hope the chart in "Knock Out Blackjack" is the same as others..should be right? Basic strategy is basic strategy all over no?

Re,

JM

There are multiple counting methods, some work better than others. Look for as much info as you can on the MIT blackjack team to give you an idea of how it's done.

Juicy D. Links · 09-13-2005, 12:20 PM

I dont count cards , i use a +/- system

Ninja Scripts · 09-13-2005, 12:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Juicy D. Links

I dont count cards , i use a +/- system

That's considered counting in gambler lingo.

2257-Ben · 09-13-2005, 12:26 PM

You would be damn hard pressed to do anything in most casinos counting cards... Most casinos use at least a 7 deck shoe... Yes, this is the voice of experience... I've written software that's in use in several differnt casinos and have spent quite a bit of time in the 'back rooms' of some big operations to learn how they manage things so I could implement certain functionalities in the software.

High Plains Drifter · 09-13-2005, 12:30 PM

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Originally Posted by 2257-Ben

You would be damn hard pressed to do anything in most casinos counting cards... Most casinos use at least a 7 deck shoe... Yes, this is the voice of experience... I've written software that's in use in several differnt casinos and have spent quite a bit of time in the 'back rooms' of some big operations to learn how they manage things so I could implement certain functionalities in the software.

I've also written software used in several differnet casinos (actually, nearly *all* casinos) and you couldn't be more wrong. Most casinos have at least one table thats advertised as single deck.

As for counting cards in BJ at casinos, here's the advice I give everybody that asks - you can train for years and work out a perfect system and you'll still only make about $8/hr if you work by yourself. I've seen this firsthand. Invent a better system (like the MIT guys) or you're just spinning your wheels.

EspressoBuzz · 09-13-2005, 12:32 PM

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Ninja Scripts · 09-13-2005, 12:33 PM

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Originally Posted by skinnywussy

I've also written software used in several differnet casinos (actually, nearly *all* casinos) and you couldn't be more wrong. Most casinos have at least one table thats advertised as single deck.

As for counting cards in BJ at casinos, here's the advice I give everybody that asks - you can train for years and work out a perfect system and you'll still only make about $8/hr if you work by yourself. I've seen this firsthand. Invent a better system (like the MIT guys) or you're just spinning your wheels.

What are you talking about $8 an hour? You can bet pretty much anything you want live so no clue what size bets you are basing that on but it's incorrect. I know people who've paid for their homes with blackjack. Hell someone from here said they bought their first car by counting cards.

High Plains Drifter · 09-13-2005, 12:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Ninja Scripts

What are you talking about $8 an hour? You can bet pretty much anything you want live so no clue what size bets you are basing that on but it's incorrect. I know people who've paid for their homes with blackjack. Hell someone from here said they bought their first car by counting cards.

haha

volante · 09-13-2005, 12:39 PM

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Originally Posted by 2257-Ben

You would be damn hard pressed to do anything in most casinos counting cards... Most casinos use at least a 7 deck shoe... Yes, this is the voice of experience...

You've been watching "Rainman" too much - count cards properly and the number of decks is irrelevant...

kektex · 09-13-2005, 12:51 PM

http://www.wired.com/wired/archive/10.09/vegas.html

jerzeemedia · 09-13-2005, 01:05 PM

Here's what I've got down so far to memorize instead of referring to the card all of the time:

Pairs:

Always split aces and 8's
Stand on two 10's
Always split 9 unless 7,10, or Ace showing
Split 7's unless 8-Ace
Split 6's unless 2, or 7-Ace
Double two 5's unless 10 or Ace showing
Always hit a pair of 4's
Only split a pair of 2's or 3's if 4,5,6,7 showing

Hard hands:

Stand on hard 17 always
13-16 stand unless 7-Ace
Only stand on 12 if 4,5,6 showing
Double 11 against everything but Ace (hit against ace)
Double 10 against everything but 10, Ace
Only double 9 against 3,4,5,6
Always hit an 8

Soft hands:

13 and 14 always hit, but double against 5,6
15,16 hits, doubles against 4,5,6
17 hits, doubles against 3,4,5,6
18 doubles against 3,4,5,6 hits against 9,10,Ace
Always stand on 19

Thoughts?

JM

fl_prn_str · 09-13-2005, 01:07 PM

well you can always get............................

Denis_SC · 09-13-2005, 01:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Juicy D. Links

I dont count cards , i use a +/- system

Do you somehow use that +/- system when posting as well ?

SuckOnThis · 09-13-2005, 01:29 PM

The best software for practicing card counting is at http://www.qfit.com/

It has a database of most casinos throughout the country and they type of games they all have.

Peaches · 09-13-2005, 01:43 PM

Reading "Bringing down the House" Very interesting and they tell how they did it (and how they almost got the crap beat out of them a few times!)

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FreeHugeMovies Too lazy to set a custom title Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Charlotte, NC Posts: 14,137	It works well but you have to learn how to do it. Practice with one deck then move onto a real game. Then add players, noise and etc etc and test your skills.

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JJ Gold Confirmed User Join Date: Aug 2004 Posts: 1,969	Counting is useless unless you can find a casino with deep penetration. Very hard these days. Especially with all the CSMs. Good luck. Read "Beat The Dealer". That is the bible.

09-13-2005, 11:52 AM	#4
jerzeemedia Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: May 2004 Location: New Jersey Posts: 1,532	Good advice and info, appreciate it. I've got "Beat the dealer" here also. I'm just working on memorizing BS perfectly before I move onto counting. Trying my best here. Anyone here play online blackjack? (for fun) Regards, JM

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Ninja Scripts Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Retired Posts: 1,032	It works of course but it's like having a job. You have to be 100% dedicated, manage money well, and be able to take swings without going nuts. Good luck.

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jerzeemedia Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: May 2004 Location: New Jersey Posts: 1,532	Thanks Ninja. Was looking online for a set of "flash cards" I could use to get better with BS. I hope the chart in "Knock Out Blackjack" is the same as others..should be right? Basic strategy is basic strategy all over no? Re, JM

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Juicy D. Links So Fucking Banned Industry Role: Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: N.Y. -Long Island -- Posts: 122,992	I dont count cards , i use a +/- system

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jerzeemedia Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: May 2004 Location: New Jersey Posts: 1,532	Here's what I've got down so far to memorize instead of referring to the card all of the time: Pairs: Always split aces and 8's Stand on two 10's Always split 9 unless 7,10, or Ace showing Split 7's unless 8-Ace Split 6's unless 2, or 7-Ace Double two 5's unless 10 or Ace showing Always hit a pair of 4's Only split a pair of 2's or 3's if 4,5,6,7 showing Hard hands: Stand on hard 17 always 13-16 stand unless 7-Ace Only stand on 12 if 4,5,6 showing Double 11 against everything but Ace (hit against ace) Double 10 against everything but 10, Ace Only double 9 against 3,4,5,6 Always hit an 8 Soft hands: 13 and 14 always hit, but double against 5,6 15,16 hits, doubles against 4,5,6 17 hits, doubles against 3,4,5,6 18 doubles against 3,4,5,6 hits against 9,10,Ace Always stand on 19 Thoughts? JM

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SuckOnThis So Fucking Banned Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: In my head Posts: 6,844	The best software for practicing card counting is at http://www.qfit.com/ It has a database of most casinos throughout the country and they type of games they all have.

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Peaches Old broad Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Away Posts: 13,933	Reading "Bringing down the House" Very interesting and they tell how they did it (and how they almost got the crap beat out of them a few times!)