A Letter to All Who Voted for George W. Bush from Michael Moore - Page 3 - GoFuckYourself.com

woj · 09-11-2005, 01:51 PM

100..........

billywatson · 09-11-2005, 02:14 PM

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Originally Posted by jukeboxfrank

I love people who call GW a idiot and a moron. Lets see he has millions and is the president of the USA. What have you done? lol

Oh, that's right...you're absolutely right. Since he's a millionaire he's always right, and since he's the President, he's always right.

Millionaires are always right, cause it's very difficult to be a millionaire.

Presidents are always right, cause it's very difficult to be President.

And rich daddies that are connected NEVER help their kids get shit, right?

KRL · 09-11-2005, 02:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Sagi_AFF

Where should you donate if you want to help and get the money to people who are in need? I've already donated to the Red Cross but am aware of the critism of their organization. Only thing is they are still probably the best global organization for the job.

From what I've been reading the Salvation Army is the only major one that doesn't pay out large salaries to their staff.

The red cross pays out $175 Million a year to their executives and staff.

Scootermuze · 09-11-2005, 03:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Ray Nagin

how many terrorist have attacked ANYBODY on us soil since 9/11 ?

I rest my case

Moore's primary reference was with FEMA.. Nothing to do with terrorists...

How do you defend that one?

venus · 09-11-2005, 03:46 PM

LOL ... where can I read this at?
what legit publication has posted this?

Bush on the other hand is mkaing sure his "friends" are prifiting off Iraq.
this is a fact and was investigated by the GAO. SO when you try to state who is profiting off the blood of others make sure you put Bush in there also. Bush was scared to go to war himself but he is awful tough when its time to send others.

Invading iraq overall was not a bad thing, how bush went about it, to stretch it out so he and his friends could profit off it is the problem - oh ya and the lies, why all the lies, if it was worth doing then it was worth telling the truth about why we invaded.

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Originally Posted by JJ Gold

My main point is that Michael Moore wants another terrorist attack in the United States. He loves to see American blood spilled and he never misses an opportunity to profit off of other's misery.

nicchick · 09-11-2005, 03:47 PM

Bush had a 90% approval rating after 9/11
It is now down to 38%.
People gave him the benefit of the doubt for a long time, but are finally smartening up. Better late than never.

SquireMD · 09-11-2005, 03:51 PM

i usually don't post about religion or politics...it's bad for business...

that being said, thank you donny...amen to MM

nico-t · 09-11-2005, 03:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Ray Nagin

5 years ? the WTC bombing was in '96

and yeah , it was also Bush his fault that Clinton didnt do nothing about security after that attack ?

it were the democrats that made it possible that there was another attack

Bush was like barely one year in office when 9/11 happened ,

what do you think of bush's work as a president?

directfiesta · 09-11-2005, 03:54 PM

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Originally Posted by nico-t

what do you think of bush's work as a president?

I think it is " hard work " , very hard work . Now let me go to my next vacation

WarChild · 09-11-2005, 03:56 PM

Michael Moore, talk about irrelevant.

I wonder if during the next election he'll be passing underware out to hippy children while adults vote in the Republicans again? Good work Mike, keep it up.

SL|M! · 09-11-2005, 04:05 PM

Bush just knows how to appoint the right people.

First a dude that ran horsey shows for FEMA.

Then Porter Goss for CIA director, who even admitted that he wasnt qualified for even being in the CIA, let alone running it.

I couldn't get a job with CIA today. I am not qualified. I don't have the language skills. I, you know, my language skills were romance languages and stuff. We're looking for Arabists today. I don't have the cultural background probably. And I certainly don't have the technical skills, uh, as my children remind me every day, "Dad you got to get better on your computer." Uh, so, the things that you need to have, I don't have.

Heres the Video

Redrob · 09-11-2005, 04:16 PM

Love him or hate him. Believe his message or not. Michael Moore has every right to say what he does and make us all feel uncomfortable for not being more compassionate, thoughtful, and holding ALL politicians accountable.

He blindsides Bush and the Republicans because they are such a easy targets, as was General Motors and the Columbine Shootings. Whether we agree or not, we should listen, critically examine his argument, and if found valid, take appropriate action.

To do otherwise is to undervalue and not live up to our responsibilities as an American citizens. Blindly quoting conservative or liberal scripture shows a lack of understanding of the issues at hand. Don't let political hacks do your thinking, take the initiative and be your own person. The world is not black & white.

uno · 09-11-2005, 04:22 PM

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Originally Posted by jukeboxfrank

I love people who call GW a idiot and a moron. Lets see he has millions and is the president of the USA. What have you done? lol

I never had his father or family history.

I've never called him an idiot. I don't care how big your legacy is... to pass yale and harvard with a c average is still pretty damn good.

uno · 09-11-2005, 04:26 PM

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Originally Posted by hagbard

I've got to run out now but UNO's comment underlines and proves my point. It's very very easy for people who have been protected from harm to ignore the fact that the threat ever existed. It is so much more comfortable to sit back and criticize than appreciate that someone you hate might be doing one thing right.

Just as there are people who believe the Holocaust didn't really happen, there are people who believe just 5 years later that y2k was a fraud. There are people who find it easier to forget than accept facts and this is prevalent on both sides. Conservatives (I'm one) forget how nice things actually were under Clinton. Liberals forget how the 80's were the time of wealth for a whole new breed of entrepreneur that could come from any social background. We mark the Good Times or the Bad Times based on who was in power rather than how we were doing personally.

I meant it more in the context of normal people flipping out and stockpiling potted meat and ammunition. Anyone who knows anything about computers knew it wasn't going to be as big a deal as the media made it out to be. I'm not saying it was a fraud, but i do remember a short on the Daily Show about jury duty in some small hick town being messed up by saying 1900 instead of 2000.

Donny · 09-11-2005, 08:04 PM

I never thought this would go 3 pages.

broke · 09-11-2005, 08:23 PM

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Originally Posted by uno

Anyone who knows anything about computers knew it wasn't going to be as big a deal as the media made it out to be.

Anyone that knows anything about mainframes knows that it would have exactly been just that had we not worked 18 hours a day for neary 9 months to fix it.

dirtydesignz · 09-11-2005, 09:51 PM

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Originally Posted by uno

What allowed the 9/11 attacks to happen was people like Bush removing people like Richard Clarke from a position that he had held under several presidents and all but ignoring reports with names such as "Bin Laden determined to strike on American soil" while he was on one of his now over 50 vacations in 5 years.

I don't think Bush ignored it, I think he used it to his advantage....

gideongallery · 09-11-2005, 10:45 PM

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Originally Posted by eroswebmaster

It has nothing to do with whether or not I like Michael Moore.

He's dead on right about this and it kills you...so you just say "it's one sided."

How much safer do you feel?

Have the big bad tewwowists left from under you beddy by bed?

Did that civil rights friendly legislation known as the patriot act make you feel more patriotic and secure?

How about new government agencies like The Homeland Security Dept. Aren't you glad they were around to speed up the recovery efforts after Katrina?

After 4 years it's all a failure. Nothing they said they were doing for you, "us," worked out.

And you can't see that. That's just sad.

I am sorry did i miss the news story since 9/11 how many terrorists have hijacked planes and rammed them into buildings.

pornstar2pac · 09-11-2005, 10:45 PM

Michael Moore can suck my cock

GatorB · 09-11-2005, 10:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Ray Nagin

Michael Moore should STFU , he an idiot

all people that take him seriously be idiots too

People that voted for Bush TWICE should be shot for treason. Doing harm to America is treason, subject to the death penalty. Not to sound cold but anyone that support Bush that had someone die in Iraq or New Orelans or died themselves I don't have any pity for. I mean you got what you wanted right? Why feel sorry for somebody who got what they wanted. Like the old saying says "careful what you wish for you may get it" and guess what you have. Like republicans like to say 'You have to deal with the consquences of your actions yourself"

Shagpipe · 09-11-2005, 10:57 PM

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Originally Posted by pornstar2pac

Michael Moore can suck my cock

George Bush can lick the birthday cake out of my ass crack

Doctor Dre · 09-11-2005, 11:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Ray Nagin

Michael Moore should STFU , he an idiot

all people that take him seriously be idiots too

He certainly makes more sence then you do in this letter... learn how to read, proceed to read it ... read it 3-4 times to make sure you understand every word, then come back.

Fucking people hating on everything he says ... look at who's in charge now ... George W Bush. Is he making a good job ? NO . He's the only one that got a strong voice agaisn't him right now...

Doctor Dre · 09-11-2005, 11:03 PM

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Originally Posted by eroswebmaster

Can't you admit he's right about this?

Come on man, how secure are you now?

It's fucking 4 years after 9/11 and our government from the bottom up dropped the ball proving that all the money spent, all the speeches given, all those words in the patriot act failed you.

Cmon ... between me and you ... we all know patriot act had NOTHING to do with terrorists ...

Doctor Dre · 09-11-2005, 11:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Ray Nagin

the fact that you think Bush is doing a good or bad job has nothing to do with the fact that Michael Moore is a class A idiot IMHO

Well at least he's class A ... Bush failed all tests ... he's probably Class E ...

at least ONE of them make a bit of fucking sence...

Doctor Dre · 09-11-2005, 11:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Ray Nagin

euuhmm ? by me saying I think it is one sided I have not adressed what he said ? ?

what drugs are you on

for the record, I read it , and I think it is ONE SIDED

wich it is incontestable

One side gotta win ... no ?

Old George is winning now ... he's making plenty of money in his friend's pockets, and getting all the power he can / wants ...

Webby · 09-11-2005, 11:12 PM

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Originally Posted by DonovanPhillips

I never thought this would go 3 pages.

A serious discussion thread like this over human waste could go on forever on GFY

TheSenator · 09-11-2005, 11:22 PM

Ray Nagin has been debunked.

TheJimmy · 09-11-2005, 11:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Keyser Soze

Thats not the question.

The question is will you be ready when it happens? Cause it will happen its just a matter of time. Its impossible to stop fanatics carrying out their mission all the time, there will be some that slips thru.

London knew it would be a matter of time before they got hit and they were ready, the response time, having doctors flown by helicopters to the bomb sites saved lives, everyone had trained for an attack and it showed.

I guess only time will tell if the US is ready.

LA and Melbourne are on the list next apparently...

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20050911/...us/tape_threat

these freaks are not bullshitting, they were not kidding before 9/11 and they are not kidding now...

Bush's wise ass Texan attitude pisses me off this "bring it on" shit is NOT making us safer, it's enciting a riot and should be viewed as such, if not worse...he is a cowardly cowboy, he is ONLY tough with YOUR sons and daughters, not his, not ever, not in a fucking million years...

"More Watchful, Probably Not Safer"
http://www.wired.com/news/privacy/0,1848,66616,00.html

also there was another recent threat from one of Osama's top dickheads that specifically mentioned california and a few other top priorities...was on yahoo or wired news just a month or two ago...Osama warned us before 9/11 and the assholes are warning us again...we're seeding more hate and making life more dangerous for ourselves and our offspring :/

.

dig420 · 09-11-2005, 11:44 PM

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Originally Posted by gideongallery

I am sorry did i miss the news story since 9/11 how many terrorists have hijacked planes and rammed them into buildings.

How many planes got rammed into buildings with Clinton as President?

Of course Georgie got totally blindsided. No threat on the horizon when 9-11 happened!

oh.. except for this: August 6, 2001: Bush Administration Warned 'Bin Laden Determined to Attack Inside the United States'

I mean really. Who could penetrate THAT mystery?

titmowse · 09-11-2005, 11:51 PM

Somebody in this thread is a NOLA hater.

emthree · 09-11-2005, 11:53 PM

Critics are the worst.
GWB is enjoying his life, we dont matter. mmkay?

TheJimmy · 09-11-2005, 11:56 PM

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Originally Posted by dig420

....

I mean really. Who could penetrate THAT mystery?

the same people that couldn't penetrate this one!

http://www.politicalgateway.com/news/read.html?id=4811

:/

. fucking amazing

Bladewire · 09-12-2005, 12:11 AM

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Originally Posted by Ray Nagin

how many terrorist have attacked ANYBODY on us soil since 9/11 ?

I rest my case

um Bush quote 2003 "We cannot guarantee there will not be another terrorist attack on American soil."

So they instituted the TERRORIST WARNING SYSTEM with elevated levels on any given day.

Guess it worked in making you feel safer

sucker

Bladewire · 09-12-2005, 12:16 AM

HIGHEST gas prices in U.S. history

HIGHEST oil prices in U.S. history

HIGHEST record deficit in U.S. history

HIGHEST number of vacation days of any president in U.S. history
(and still 3 more years to his term)

LOWEST world currency value in over 30 years

7 DAYS for the government to come to town while Americans die in a natural disaster

I don't give a fuck what anyones political affiliation is, this is a crisis for our country

SilverTab · 09-12-2005, 12:39 AM

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Originally Posted by Ray Nagin

how many terrorist have attacked ANYBODY on us soil since 9/11 ?

I rest my case

-Hey I got this nice wooden stick that keeps tigers away!
-Hmmm are you sure it works?
-Well do you see any tigers around???
-Holy shit, i'll buy 3!...

ATL_Ryan · 09-12-2005, 01:03 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by hagbard

Just as there are people who believe the Holocaust didn't really happen, there are people who believe just 5 years later that y2k was a fraud. There are people who find it easier to forget than accept facts and this is prevalent on both sides. Conservatives (I'm one) forget how nice things actually were under Clinton. Liberals forget how the 80's were the time of wealth for a whole new breed of entrepreneur that could come from any social background. We mark the Good Times or the Bad Times based on who was in power rather than how we were doing personally.

This seems pretty straight forward. I'm not conservative. I enjoyed much wealth under Clinton, and I thought Reagan was great too.

ATL_Ryan · 09-12-2005, 01:06 AM

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Originally Posted by Redrob

Love him or hate him. Believe his message or not. Michael Moore has every right to say what he does and make us all feel uncomfortable for not being more compassionate, thoughtful, and holding ALL politicians accountable.

He blindsides Bush and the Republicans because they are such a easy targets, as was General Motors and the Columbine Shootings. Whether we agree or not, we should listen, critically examine his argument, and if found valid, take appropriate action.

To do otherwise is to undervalue and not live up to our responsibilities as an American citizens. Blindly quoting conservative or liberal scripture shows a lack of understanding of the issues at hand. Don't let political hacks do your thinking, take the initiative and be your own person. The world is not black & white.

Thanks for actually thinking. I'm trying to.

ATL_Ryan · 09-12-2005, 01:11 AM

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Originally Posted by Squirtit

HIGHEST gas prices in U.S. history

HIGHEST oil prices in U.S. history

HIGHEST record deficit in U.S. history

HIGHEST number of vacation days of any president in U.S. history
(and still 3 more years to his term)

LOWEST world currency value in over 30 years

7 DAYS for the government to come to town while Americans die in a natural disaster

I don't give a fuck what anyones political affiliation is, this is a crisis for our country

YUP!!!!!!!!!!

bhutocracy · 09-12-2005, 01:55 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SilverTab

-Hey I got this nice wooden stick that keeps tigers away!
-Hmmm are you sure it works?
-Well do you see any tigers around???
-Holy shit, i'll buy 3!...

heheheh.

siva350 · 09-12-2005, 02:05 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pimpporn

George W. Bush may just be the worst president in history

I agree with you!!

Rebel D · 09-12-2005, 04:08 AM

What if this reposted and it was Lensman who wrote it. there would be no arguements it would all be right on Lens! That the name out.

jayeff · 09-12-2005, 04:20 AM

We need more people like Michael Moore. Not because of the points of view that he represents, but because he succeeds in making millions of people think about topics that usually only get their attention in the event of a hurricane, a terrorist attack, or school killings.

I don't care which part of the political spectrum you represent, you cannot in all seriousness argue that our country, our world for that matter, could not be vastly better than it is. The barrier to progress is not that the Republicans and their friends have their snouts deep in the trough, nor that the Democrats might destroy the American way of life by turning the US into a giant welfare state. The real barrier is apathy: not only the obvious disinterest in the political process of those who do not even vote; but the superficiality of those who claim to have an opinion.

At the beginning of the 20th century, the United States had the highest job-related fatality rate of any industrialized nation. Most workers worked 10-12 hours a day but earned up to 40% less than the minimum deemed necessary for a decent life. The number of children in the work force had doubled during the closing decades of the 19th century.

An hundred years later, in many respects the picture isn't a whole lot better, yet the Republicans are busy striking down what remains of the labor and anti-trust legislation that was created back then. Approve or disapprove, no-one voted for them to do that because it wasn't part of their election platform. Instead, people voted to express their disapproval of abortion or their support for the war in Iraq. And if such legislation were being proposed today, it would surely be decried as socialist or left-wing or at the very least, liberal, yet most of that legislation was created under Republican presidents.

The fundamental difference between then and now is that presidents such as Roosevelt existed in a society exposed to writers like Mark Twain and later to such as Upton Sinclair, Theodore Dreiser and Lincoln Steffens. Daily newspapers and popular magazines carried incisive articles about trusts, finance, impure foods and abusive railroad practices: not the pap which today's media feeds us. Thus farmers whose grandchildren are today voting Republican, belonged to militant organisations and Kansas City had a branch of the Socialist Party big enough to produce its own newspaper.

However, the specifics are not the point. The point is that we had a thriving democracy which in turn meant we had reform, genuine reform going on in full public view. Today we live in a society which throws around terms like "left" and "right" without understanding what they mean, and with even less idea as to what its government - Republican or Democrat - is actually doing.

Worse, much worse, is most of us don't care and that above all is why we need Michael Moore and others like him, no matter what position they represent.

CDSmith · 09-12-2005, 04:57 AM

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Originally Posted by emthree

Critics are the worst.
GWB is enjoying his life, we dont matter. mmkay?

Have you checked out his golf swing lately? Georgie's been working on his slice.

Another 6 weeks vacation and he'll be PGA material. :D

GFX Wiz · 09-12-2005, 05:42 AM

"Bush is an idiot, a moron, corrupt, the worst president that has ever led this country, <enter your rant here>"

All truths go through 3-phases:

1. It is ridiculed
2. It is violently opposed
3. It is accepted as self-evident.

Good to see the Bushies have made it to phase 2 -- it will just be one more little "test" to the Bush administration before all the Bushies are in force on the board saying, "yup, been telling you for years the man is a clueless chimp -- a total moron -- more corrupt than a Russian Diplomat -- the one who has destroyed the ONCE greatest nation in the world."

I'd be willing to bet it will be before the end of the year

Redrob · 09-12-2005, 07:40 AM

jayeff,

nice comments.

Thanks

TheJimmy · 09-12-2005, 09:03 AM

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Originally Posted by Squirtit

HIGHEST gas prices in U.S. history

HIGHEST oil prices in U.S. history

HIGHEST record deficit in U.S. history

HIGHEST number of vacation days of any president in U.S. history
(and still 3 more years to his term)

LOWEST world currency value in over 30 years

7 DAYS for the government to come to town while Americans die in a natural disaster

I don't give a fuck what anyones political affiliation is, this is a crisis for our country

this could use repeating a few times for the slow people...

.

MacDaddyPlaya · 09-12-2005, 09:43 AM

My question is simple and I would love and intelligent response from any U.S. citizen who voted for Bush in this past election.

Are you happy with Bush as president. If so, why? What has he done during his term of office that is positive?

WarChild · 09-12-2005, 10:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Squirtit

HIGHEST gas prices in U.S. history

HIGHEST oil prices in U.S. history

HIGHEST record deficit in U.S. history

HIGHEST number of vacation days of any president in U.S. history
(and still 3 more years to his term)

Highest gas prices in Canadian history
Highest milk prices in Canadian history
Highest wheat prices in Canadian history.

God damn that American President!

While you made some valid points, you're somehow ignoring how economies work. The next Democratic President with a defecit will have guess what? Ready for this? The highest defecit in US History! Amazing?!?

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SL\|M! Confirmed User Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: The BP4L Bunker Posts: 1,480	Bush just knows how to appoint the right people. First a dude that ran horsey shows for FEMA. Then Porter Goss for CIA director, who even admitted that he wasnt qualified for even being in the CIA, let alone running it. I couldn't get a job with CIA today. I am not qualified. I don't have the language skills. I, you know, my language skills were romance languages and stuff. We're looking for Arabists today. I don't have the cultural background probably. And I certainly don't have the technical skills, uh, as my children remind me every day, "Dad you got to get better on your computer." Uh, so, the things that you need to have, I don't have. Heres the Video

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Redrob Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: In a refrigerator box by the tracks. Posts: 4,791	Love him or hate him. Believe his message or not. Michael Moore has every right to say what he does and make us all feel uncomfortable for not being more compassionate, thoughtful, and holding ALL politicians accountable. He blindsides Bush and the Republicans because they are such a easy targets, as was General Motors and the Columbine Shootings. Whether we agree or not, we should listen, critically examine his argument, and if found valid, take appropriate action. To do otherwise is to undervalue and not live up to our responsibilities as an American citizens. Blindly quoting conservative or liberal scripture shows a lack of understanding of the issues at hand. Don't let political hacks do your thinking, take the initiative and be your own person. The world is not black & white.

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Bladewire StraightBro Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Monarch Beach, CA USA Posts: 56,229	HIGHEST gas prices in U.S. history HIGHEST oil prices in U.S. history HIGHEST record deficit in U.S. history HIGHEST number of vacation days of any president in U.S. history (and still 3 more years to his term) LOWEST world currency value in over 30 years 7 DAYS for the government to come to town while Americans die in a natural disaster I don't give a fuck what anyones political affiliation is, this is a crisis for our country

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jayeff Confirmed User Join Date: May 2001 Posts: 2,944	We need more people like Michael Moore. Not because of the points of view that he represents, but because he succeeds in making millions of people think about topics that usually only get their attention in the event of a hurricane, a terrorist attack, or school killings. I don't care which part of the political spectrum you represent, you cannot in all seriousness argue that our country, our world for that matter, could not be vastly better than it is. The barrier to progress is not that the Republicans and their friends have their snouts deep in the trough, nor that the Democrats might destroy the American way of life by turning the US into a giant welfare state. The real barrier is apathy: not only the obvious disinterest in the political process of those who do not even vote; but the superficiality of those who claim to have an opinion. At the beginning of the 20th century, the United States had the highest job-related fatality rate of any industrialized nation. Most workers worked 10-12 hours a day but earned up to 40% less than the minimum deemed necessary for a decent life. The number of children in the work force had doubled during the closing decades of the 19th century. An hundred years later, in many respects the picture isn't a whole lot better, yet the Republicans are busy striking down what remains of the labor and anti-trust legislation that was created back then. Approve or disapprove, no-one voted for them to do that because it wasn't part of their election platform. Instead, people voted to express their disapproval of abortion or their support for the war in Iraq. And if such legislation were being proposed today, it would surely be decried as socialist or left-wing or at the very least, liberal, yet most of that legislation was created under Republican presidents. The fundamental difference between then and now is that presidents such as Roosevelt existed in a society exposed to writers like Mark Twain and later to such as Upton Sinclair, Theodore Dreiser and Lincoln Steffens. Daily newspapers and popular magazines carried incisive articles about trusts, finance, impure foods and abusive railroad practices: not the pap which today's media feeds us. Thus farmers whose grandchildren are today voting Republican, belonged to militant organisations and Kansas City had a branch of the Socialist Party big enough to produce its own newspaper. However, the specifics are not the point. The point is that we had a thriving democracy which in turn meant we had reform, genuine reform going on in full public view. Today we live in a society which throws around terms like "left" and "right" without understanding what they mean, and with even less idea as to what its government - Republican or Democrat - is actually doing. Worse, much worse, is most of us don't care and that above all is why we need Michael Moore and others like him, no matter what position they represent.

09-12-2005, 05:42 AM	#144
GFX Wiz Confirmed User Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: SW Florida Posts: 916	"Bush is an idiot, a moron, corrupt, the worst president that has ever led this country, <enter your rant here>" All truths go through 3-phases: 1. It is ridiculed 2. It is violently opposed 3. It is accepted as self-evident. Good to see the Bushies have made it to phase 2 -- it will just be one more little "test" to the Bush administration before all the Bushies are in force on the board saying, "yup, been telling you for years the man is a clueless chimp -- a total moron -- more corrupt than a Russian Diplomat -- the one who has destroyed the ONCE greatest nation in the world." I'd be willing to bet it will be before the end of the year

09-12-2005, 07:40 AM	#145
Redrob Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: In a refrigerator box by the tracks. Posts: 4,791	jayeff, nice comments. Thanks

09-12-2005, 09:43 AM	#147
MacDaddyPlaya Confirmed User Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Just north of Cuba Posts: 1,785	My question is simple and I would love and intelligent response from any U.S. citizen who voted for Bush in this past election. Are you happy with Bush as president. If so, why? What has he done during his term of office that is positive? __________________ Sigless