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Old 09-08-2005, 06:26 PM   #101
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SPONSORS WANTED:

I'd like to find someone who will recruit hot new 18 year old girls that are willing to model nude, then pay her and take her pictures, then update her website regularly and host it on a super reliable, ultrafast server. Also, you'll need to buy lots of extra picture and video content so I won't lose a paying membership too soon.

I'd also like you to cover all the legal expenses, processing costs, and pay the visa registration fees.

I'd like you to provide full page ads, banners (odd-sizes work best for me), and maybe even agree to pay my hosting bill. And I'll need lots of free content. Not the same free content you give everyone, I need new exclusive content. I'll need hosted picture and movie galleries too, on a fast server. But don't put too many ads on them, my surfers don't like ads.

I'd like you to throw huge parties where I can drink myself silly, while I oggle your hot girls and generally make an ass of myself. I'm gonna need a rug to put out my cigarette on. I want you to take me to strip clubs, and I want you to buy me lapdances all night long. If I host a convention, I'll expect you to sponsor it (and if there aren't enough of naked chicks, I'm going to tell everyone it was a sausage fest!)

I'll need you to buy a banner spot and post regularly on my message board.

I want you to do all that for no more than 40% of the net revenue that her site generates. I might even ask you to prepay me even if I can't get her site to convert. And you can pay me by check, but I tend to lose them, so you'll need to be willing to re-issue the ones I lose. But going to the bank is such a hassle, could I just have a wire instead? You'll need to eat the wire fees.

Oh yeah, and I forgot to mention that I'm going to accuse you of shaving and cheating if I can't convert any traffic at 1:500 or better. If you are a day late on my payment, I will publicly crucify you. And I'm gonna need a constant supply of new sites from you, I get tired of looking at one after a couple weeks.

And you better not take a day off, if I try to icq you and you are not there within a few minutes, I'm dropping my links! And no matter how few sales I send, I expect you to drop everything and talk to me as long as I want. I'll need lots of advice and support, you don't mind do you?

I want reward points and christmas cards are nice too. Fly me to a convention and pay for my room. But it better be a suite, I need space. Give me bonuses and prizes. And hookers, lots of 'em. Don't forget I'll also need a non-expiring password to your sites too for "educational" purposes. When I promote your site, I want to be able to say anything to the surfer to make a sale, I don't care if its true or not, pleasing the surfer is your problem.

I'm gonna need a cool baseball jersey customized with my name and favorite number on the back...

And no matter what you do for me, I might just decide to try someone else's program for a while, cuz you are probably making too much money anyway on typeins and upsells... And if you get someone else pushing your sites, I'm going to drop you completely, because then you'll be "over saturated".

Oh yeah, and you are gonna need lots of sites, and I want to be paid on sales to all of them from your exits. Better yet, I'll require no-console linking codes, cuz I hate popups. But don't even think about paying me less for my joins.

You'll need to join the lawsuit against Acacia, I don't care how much it costs. But if you settle, I'll tear you apart on the boards and recommend that everyone boycotts you.

And I want to lump you in with all the scammers and scumballs that have ever made money on the net. I don't care if you are honest, I have to blame someone for a bad week, and its gonna be you.

Oh yeah, and for your 40%, I want to be able to break my promises anytime, I really don't want you to be able to rely on me. I'll send you traffic when I fucking feel like it. But if you break one of YOUR promises to me, I'll drop you and move on.

Any takers?
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Old 09-08-2005, 06:32 PM   #102
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Old 09-08-2005, 07:05 PM   #103
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Lets figure this out..

100,000k a program makes each month minus its own promotion/traffic from in house sources. Remember we are talking about webmasters and traffic they produce from sales or branding through type-ins / return visits.

15% of the money is type-in traffic, not counting self promo traffic as I said.
So the program earns an extra net of $15k

So we start with $85,000
60% to webmasters $51k paid out
We are left with $34,000

$6,000 to bandwidth
$15,000 to content (5 sites x $3k per site)
Total $21,000

$34,000-$21,000 = $13,000

5 sites, 10 galleries a week for each site $20 a gallery
$2,500 in galleries + $500 for extra BS like banners / ads
$3,000 for one or two employees being a cheap ass
$500 a month for a low point for rent and business costs
$2,000 each month for one GFY ad, no ads in other places
Total: $8000

$13,000 left over - $8000 = $5000
$5000 net + $15k from type-ins = $20000

So we ended with 20% net, with type-in traffic, and being very cheap on bills. We didn't pay the owner yet either.... oh shit.. and taxes.. yeah, fucking taxes.

Any questions?

Why do you think so many big & small companies have started to go over seas, drop staff, drop offices, etc..

It's wide spread and starting to happen very fast.. Because the NET isn't as great as everyone seems to think it is. In house traffic makes up a huge amount, years of being around, a great site with amazing word of mouth can really make numbers jump. But lets face it, most programs don't have a BangBus.
i always love thedoc and his numbers, do you think you will ever come out with pps for EGC, or just not worth the headaches
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Old 09-08-2005, 07:17 PM   #104
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i always love thedoc and his numbers, do you think you will ever come out with pps for EGC, or just not worth the headaches
I have a private PPS program now, 7 webmasters use it..

We are waiting to release our other 3 sites and get the NATS CMS installed and setup for each of our sites. Then, PPS for everyone
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Old 09-08-2005, 07:33 PM   #105
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SPONSORS WANTED:

I'd like to find someone who will recruit hot new 18 year old girls that are willing to model nude, then pay her and take her pictures, then update her website regularly and host it on a super reliable, ultrafast server. Also, you'll need to buy lots of extra picture and video content so I won't lose a paying membership too soon.
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Oh yeah, and for your 40%, I want to be able to break my promises anytime, I really don't want you to be able to rely on me. I'll send you traffic when I fucking feel like it. But if you break one of YOUR promises to me, I'll drop you and move on.

Any takers?



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Old 09-09-2005, 04:48 AM   #106
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What doc mentioned about the 15% sales from type in is intresting. I wonder what programs are above this number. Nastydollars and Bangbros sites are quite popular with friends of mine i wonder what their type in joins look like. I think I also remember someone from hodough mention half their joins for MDFN was was from type ins
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Old 09-09-2005, 05:48 AM   #107
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Old 09-10-2005, 11:00 AM   #108
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