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BT · 09-06-2005, 08:09 AM

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Gunni · 09-06-2005, 08:11 AM

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Originally Posted by MikeyFingaz

ok, explain. If you know about guns and tactics then you also know that it is a debate that can go on and on and that there are many points and counter points that both hold water. I dont claim to know everything. but i do know alot. if ya got some info that is usefull then I am glad to hear it......." as soon as you think you know so much that there is nothing else to learn, then you are a fool" somebody smart said something like that once I think ;)

well, Franck did post sources, I was simply using your way of debating by blowing off what you said with out further explanation.

It is a fact that if people have guns they are more likely to use them. My Grandfather has lived in the states for almost 40 years and has never owned a gun, and has never wished he owned a gun. The only burglary he remembers in the neighbourhood (a normal suburban neighbourhood, nothing fancy) was next door to him while the neighbours were away.

You are more likely to die in a lot of ways you don't even think about than getting attacked in your own home (unless ofcourse you live somewhere well dodgy). If you live in anormal place owning a gun is actually putting your family at more risk than not having a gun...

Beside the point, I quite like guns, I grew up in Iceland and I've often gone hunting with my dad and brother. But the fact that in the US you can buy weapons that are only designed to do damage to humans is something I am against. They are not called assault weapons because you are going to go out and assault a deer...

MikeyFingaz · 09-06-2005, 08:21 AM

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Originally Posted by Gunni

well, Franck did post sources, I was simply using your way of debating by blowing off what you said with out further explanation.

It is a fact that if people have guns they are more likely to use them. My Grandfather has lived in the states for almost 40 years and has never owned a gun, and has never wished he owned a gun. The only burglary he remembers in the neighbourhood (a normal suburban neighbourhood, nothing fancy) was next door to him while the neighbours were away.

You are more likely to die in a lot of ways you don't even think about than getting attacked in your own home (unless ofcourse you live somewhere well dodgy). If you live in anormal place owning a gun is actually putting your family at more risk than not having a gun...

Beside the point, I quite like guns, I grew up in Iceland and I've often gone hunting with my dad and brother. But the fact that in the US you can buy weapons that are only designed to do damage to humans is something I am against. They are not called assault weapons because you are going to go out and assault a deer...

ok, I pretty much agree with this post. The Kellerman issue I was referring to, was that during the clinton years when h.c.i. was in full swing they were grabbing twisted stats about gun violence. to try to combat this, the n.r.a. set about digging up its own facts. Of course the fact findings were totally at opposite ends of a scale due to the agendas' behind each organization. So since that was the case the n.r.a. went about interviewing those who h.c.i. had obtained stats from. Kellerman was one of only a few who even bothered to be interviewed by n.r.a. officials. When asked about his findings that a gun in the home was 43 times more likely to be used against a family member, he stated that the overwhelming majority of those incidents were of inner city youths using the gun on a family member, and that something like more than 90 something % of those guns were not purchased from dealers where the owner of the gun was the purchaser, meaning the gun was obtained without any background check on the owner of the gun. The world would be safer if guns didnt exist at all. but they do. Which means I plan on having many, and knowing how to use them.

But I am curious to your disagreement with the shotgun info I had given earlier.

MikeyFingaz · 09-06-2005, 08:27 AM

assault weapons are different than sporter rifles. you have to have aclass3 ffl to legally own assault rifles. Plus most guns used to commit crimes arent nice expensive rifles. they are shitty cheap handguns. i think we agree on things, just in a different way.

Gunni · 09-06-2005, 08:45 AM

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Originally Posted by MikeyFingaz

ok, I pretty much agree with this post. The Kellerman issue I was referring to, was that during the clinton years when h.c.i. was in full swing they were grabbing twisted stats about gun violence. to try to combat this, the n.r.a. set about digging up its own facts. Of course the fact findings were totally at opposite ends of a scale due to the agendas' behind each organization. So since that was the case the n.r.a. went about interviewing those who h.c.i. had obtained stats from. Kellerman was one of only a few who even bothered to be interviewed by n.r.a. officials. When asked about his findings that a gun in the home was 43 times more likely to be used against a family member, he stated that the overwhelming majority of those incidents were of inner city youths using the gun on a family member, and that something like more than 90 something % of those guns were not purchased from dealers where the owner of the gun was the purchaser, meaning the gun was obtained without any background check on the owner of the gun. The world would be safer if guns didnt exist at all. but they do. Which means I plan on having many, and knowing how to use them.

But I am curious to your disagreement with the shotgun info I had given earlier.

So with the 43 times more likely to be used against a family member was exagerated by 90% then it is 10% true, wich means it is 4.3 times more likely to be used against a family member than an intruder...
I know guns will always be a part of America, I just think that the restrictions should be a lot more, and educating buyers about for example statistics and so forth. In Iceland for example you have to pay about 300$ for a course of how to treat guns, the dangers of having one and the fauna of the island before you get your license. That only means you can buy a pump or double barrel shotgun, or low caliber rifle. After two years you can apply for a license for a high caliber rifle, and nothing that is not designed for hunting, no modifications allowed such as sawing off barrels. If you have more than 5 rifles you need an approved locker for them, and you can't buy ammo unless you show your license.

I don't disagree at all regarding the shotguns , just said it to make a point

Gunni · 09-06-2005, 08:54 AM

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Originally Posted by MikeyFingaz

assault weapons are different than sporter rifles. you have to have aclass3 ffl to legally own assault rifles. Plus most guns used to commit crimes arent nice expensive rifles. they are shitty cheap handguns. i think we agree on things, just in a different way.

Yes, but in many countries all handguns are classified as assult weapons, simply because they are designed for one thing, to harm humans.

MikeyFingaz · 09-06-2005, 08:56 AM

lol, ok, I had to go back and look at my shotgun info I posted to make sure I didnt fuck up. I didnt realize that you were using the statement in a sarcastic way to point out my admitidly non factual way of pointing out francks stats,lol. But what kellerman meant when he said what he did was that most of the guns used were not owned by people who had passed background checks to purchase the guns and that they were blackmarket weapons. The stats are what he claimed them to be, but he neglected to say that it was basically derived from the amount of inner city youths involved in some type of gang activity that did the shootings. None of these people in this finding were responsible citizens who passed background checks, and thier guns werent purchased from a dealer governed by laws to provide background checks. The nubers are true, but twisted. The amount of people who pass checks have thier weapon in thier name and have permits try at all ends to not let themselves become a statistic like this.

MikeyFingaz · 09-06-2005, 08:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Gunni

Yes, but in many countries all handguns are classified as assult weapons, simply because they are designed for one thing, to harm humans.

True. It is sad that due to the nature of some in society to prey on the weak, makes for the necessity for law abiding citizens to be able to arm themselves with weapons designed to harm humans.

MikeyFingaz · 09-06-2005, 09:04 AM

Kellerman also said that it is impossible to determine how often guns were used in self defense due to the fact that many times the gun owner only need make reference to the gun or show the gun to make the attacker leave them alone, and that many cases of this type of incident go unreported because the potential victim didnt want to have to deal with hassle from the police about them and their guns. It goes back to the old way of thinking that the sound of a 12 guage being cycled will make most all burgalars and eveil doers run the other way, without a single shot being fired.

Gunni · 09-06-2005, 09:08 AM

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Originally Posted by MikeyFingaz

True. It is sad that due to the nature of some in society to prey on the weak, makes for the necessity for law abiding citizens to be able to arm themselves with weapons designed to harm humans.

hehe, ok I guess we can agree on disagreeing

Although I won't budge on my that you need to put more restrictions.
If people genuinly worry about the safty of their families they will buy a gun even if there are restrictions. Anyway, I am sure the NRA will fight valiantly any such reforms. I just think it should be the same as learning to drive or what ever, having guns is a responsiblitity, people need to be educated about that.

I must admit that one of the highligts of my first visit to the US was a visit to a BIG gunshop, hehe, I'd never seen anything like it :D

MikeyFingaz · 09-06-2005, 09:18 AM

I agree with restrictions as far as having to pass checks to get guns. i also think they should go one step farther and make it mandatory that those who seek to get guns get training of some sort. I dont agree that guns should be banned from the law abiding in owning them though. "footnote having to do with previous post about francks facts" 1 in 6 parents did not KNOW a child who had shot someone or had been shot. 1 in 6 parents HAD HEARD OF an incident where a child had shot someone or been shot. Many people hear about things, and not know anyone personally that it happened to. For example, " i heard about this guy who was drugged by some woman and then woke up bleeding and his kidney was cut out." It's an urban legend, but lots of people have "heard about it"......... My point is, that lots of the anti gun statistics are worded or twisted in a way to help push the party agenda.

edgeprod · 09-06-2005, 09:19 AM

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Originally Posted by NoWhErE

Try moving to Canada, we hardly need to lock our doors. Nobody I know owns a gun or even thinks of owning one...

What the hell is there to steal in Canada? Aren't you guys, like, a third world country or something? I didn't even know they HAD houses there, nevermind doors.

MikeyFingaz · 09-06-2005, 09:23 AM

lol, actually i got to meet a few canucks at my first convention in miami. they were all really cool people. I dont know where the whole thing between americans and canadians come from..... maybe I been livin under a rock err sumthin.

edgeprod · 09-06-2005, 09:30 AM

I didn't know there was a "thing" between Americans and canadians.

I always thought they were a myth ... like Elves.

MikeyFingaz · 09-06-2005, 09:32 AM

lol, well then thats good to know.

edgeprod · 09-06-2005, 09:34 AM

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MikeyFingaz · 09-06-2005, 09:38 AM

No, they keep me locked in a dark dingy hole and throw me moldy bread and green koolaid when its time to feed, lol... nahh, actually as far as I'm concerned, I work for a great bunch of people who treat thier employees like family. Plus they know a thing or two about what they are doing. I feel blessed to be learning from them. I also know that they do whatever they can to keep affiliates happy, and have very honest business practices.

edgeprod · 09-06-2005, 09:41 AM

Good deal, good deal.

I'm always willing to work with some new blood if you ever get the itch to expand the sponsors you're promoting.

MikeyFingaz · 09-06-2005, 09:50 AM

sweet. I dont really do anything with any other sponsors though. I havent gotten that far yet. All I do is photography, video, editing, keeping sites updated, that kinda stuff, but I'm learnin' lol. I will remember that in the future.

edgeprod · 09-06-2005, 09:51 AM

Do you use your photography on your sites? Or do you sell it? Got examples?

MikeyFingaz · 09-06-2005, 09:52 AM

It's all used for the jaymancash sites.

edgeprod · 09-06-2005, 09:55 AM

Good deal man. Take it sleazy.

MikeyFingaz · 09-06-2005, 09:56 AM

Thanx bro. do the same.

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MikeyFingaz Confirmed User Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: next to the retards Posts: 1,569	assault weapons are different than sporter rifles. you have to have aclass3 ffl to legally own assault rifles. Plus most guns used to commit crimes arent nice expensive rifles. they are shitty cheap handguns. i think we agree on things, just in a different way. __________________ ONLY AT JAYMANCASH

09-06-2005, 08:56 AM	#57
MikeyFingaz Confirmed User Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: next to the retards Posts: 1,569	lol, ok, I had to go back and look at my shotgun info I posted to make sure I didnt fuck up. I didnt realize that you were using the statement in a sarcastic way to point out my admitidly non factual way of pointing out francks stats,lol. But what kellerman meant when he said what he did was that most of the guns used were not owned by people who had passed background checks to purchase the guns and that they were blackmarket weapons. The stats are what he claimed them to be, but he neglected to say that it was basically derived from the amount of inner city youths involved in some type of gang activity that did the shootings. None of these people in this finding were responsible citizens who passed background checks, and thier guns werent purchased from a dealer governed by laws to provide background checks. The nubers are true, but twisted. The amount of people who pass checks have thier weapon in thier name and have permits try at all ends to not let themselves become a statistic like this. __________________ ONLY AT JAYMANCASH

09-06-2005, 09:04 AM	#59
MikeyFingaz Confirmed User Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: next to the retards Posts: 1,569	Kellerman also said that it is impossible to determine how often guns were used in self defense due to the fact that many times the gun owner only need make reference to the gun or show the gun to make the attacker leave them alone, and that many cases of this type of incident go unreported because the potential victim didnt want to have to deal with hassle from the police about them and their guns. It goes back to the old way of thinking that the sound of a 12 guage being cycled will make most all burgalars and eveil doers run the other way, without a single shot being fired. __________________ ONLY AT JAYMANCASH

09-06-2005, 09:18 AM	#61
MikeyFingaz Confirmed User Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: next to the retards Posts: 1,569	I agree with restrictions as far as having to pass checks to get guns. i also think they should go one step farther and make it mandatory that those who seek to get guns get training of some sort. I dont agree that guns should be banned from the law abiding in owning them though. "footnote having to do with previous post about francks facts" 1 in 6 parents did not KNOW a child who had shot someone or had been shot. 1 in 6 parents HAD HEARD OF an incident where a child had shot someone or been shot. Many people hear about things, and not know anyone personally that it happened to. For example, " i heard about this guy who was drugged by some woman and then woke up bleeding and his kidney was cut out." It's an urban legend, but lots of people have "heard about it"......... My point is, that lots of the anti gun statistics are worded or twisted in a way to help push the party agenda. __________________ ONLY AT JAYMANCASH Last edited by MikeyFingaz; 09-06-2005 at 09:19 AM..

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MikeyFingaz Confirmed User Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: next to the retards Posts: 1,569	lol, actually i got to meet a few canucks at my first convention in miami. they were all really cool people. I dont know where the whole thing between americans and canadians come from..... maybe I been livin under a rock err sumthin. __________________ ONLY AT JAYMANCASH

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MikeyFingaz Confirmed User Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: next to the retards Posts: 1,569	sweet. I dont really do anything with any other sponsors though. I havent gotten that far yet. All I do is photography, video, editing, keeping sites updated, that kinda stuff, but I'm learnin' lol. I will remember that in the future. __________________ ONLY AT JAYMANCASH

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