Originally Posted by facialfreak

When did we become part of the EU? I must have been too stoned and missed that memo! :pimp

Originally Posted by davidd

Please refer to this thread:

http://www.gofuckyourself.com/showthread.php?t=512818

You are basing your opinions on shit that is fed to you by the media. Count up how much taxes you pay for your medical care... then factor in the waiting periods for operations, and then research how much health insurance costs in the USA and you will see just how much you are being bent over. Also factor in how much a healthy person, non smoker, non-aids infected, needs health care under the age of 50... Are your eyes opening a little?

I will make it easier for you as most people with the socialist pie in the sky attitude find it hard to research things that may shatter their belief system.

Here is a quote on Health Insurance in the USA, when you see it, you might say, "WHY IS THE MEDIA TELLING ME IT IS A MAJOR ISSUE"

This quote is for a Single Male, age 32, non-smoker BUYING THE POLICY HIMSELF, MEANING NO ADVANTAGE OF GROUP DISCOUNTS (COMPANY SUPPLIED):

$2500 deductible (you pay $2500 then everything else is paid by the insurance company) $47 a month * 12 months = $564 a year.

$1000 deductible raised the monthly premimum to about $65

And did you also know that is most states in the USA, the poor and CHILDREN are given healthcare for free? Check out this link: http://www.floridakidcare.com

Oh, how horrible health insurance is in the USA... cry me a fucking river. Or Better yet, continue to believe what is fed to you, to justify your socialized medicine. The sheep who believe high taxes are justified are too blind to realize their money is being STOLEN!

Why is it every Canadian I know that lives in Florida for 4 months, while it is sub-artic in Canada, they all say, "I would rather be treated here, as I do not have to be put on a waiting list"

As an aside, your same argument is screamed from the rooftops in France, where they too accept the tax raping because they are told to look to the big evil USA's health 'CRISIS'.

Originally Posted by WarChild

Luckily for me I now live in the tropics where I pay no income tax and enjoy warm weather year round. I'll go back to Canada to visit for the summers, because the summers are very nice. To maintain non-resident status I only need to spend 6 months plus a day outside of Canada each year.

I can't even tell you how much better I sleep at night knowing my money is in my bank account and not supporting natives, single welfare mothers and the French.

Originally Posted by CDSmith

As for health care, the only waiting list I've ever been on was to see a specialist, and that was a 3 month wait. If you need to go to the Emergency room (at least here in Winnipeg) and your situation IS an emergency, you get seen immediately or nearly so, depending on how severe it is and how busy they are. Life-threatening emergencies obviously take priority, always.

Originally Posted by CDSmith

BAh, if you don't like it in Canada then fucking move. Me I have it damned good where i am dude, and I have an investment guy that handles all my money and does my income tax for me, and if you knew what you were talking about you'd quit chirping out all that tripe and rethink your position.

As for health care, the only waiting list I've ever been on was to see a specialist, and that was a 3 month wait. If you need to go to the Emergency room (at least here in Winnipeg) and your situation IS an emergency, you get seen immediately or nearly so, depending on how severe it is and how busy they are. Life-threatening emergencies obviously take priority, always.

I've never had to wait nor has anyone I know, to be admitted to the hospital. Dude I've worked in health care for 15 years here, and the only time I've seen or heard people complain about waiting times for surgery (depending on the type of surgery of course) is when the nurses went out on strike back in the early 90's for a month. The backlog for open-heart surgery then was a few weeks to a month.... which was bad. But it isn't that long of a wait now, my old neighbor who lives across the street from my parents had a bypass last year with zero waiting time. As in zero.

And, Canadians are free to head south of the border if they ever feel that for their ailment they have to wait too long. If you don't want to wait to see a specialist here then go south and pay.

And with smart investments and business write-offs etc, one does not have to pay 40+ % in income tax. Try getting a financial advisor who knows the drill.

How many americans have we seen on this very board post about how their hospital stay ended up costing them $100k or more? Lots. Go ask pr0 just how much his medical bills were in the past few years. I would so rather have it come out of my taxes than be slapped with a huge bill every time someone in the family needs a surgery or whatever.

Final note: When I was working a job for a living, my income tax deduction was set to 22%-25% always, and I always got a refund back every year.

For that and many other reasons, I'm sorry but in my mind Canada wins, period. Don't agree? That's your right, and I'm fine with leaving it at that.

Originally Posted by CDSmith

Of course you have it good weather-wise and income-tax-wise.... but the question on my mind for you would be..... what things are you giving up in order to live there?

What I mean is.... Well let me first say that the only place I know of that has no income tax on it's people is the Caymen Islands, are there other places similar?

I would be wondering what the standard of health care is like..... what the overall "security" of the country is, and how well-looked-after I'd be in the event of a large scale disaster. Case in point; I've visited Mexico several times, and although tempting in many ways I just don't know if I'd want to live there permanently. In Canada I know that our country is, well, basically safe and secure. I know that our hospitals are as modern and up-to-date as any in the world, and that our government is less likely to go through a military takeover or coup d'etat like some of the banana-republics of the world have experienced.

If you have found a place that allays all those concerns (and possibly others), then by all means if you're feeling charitable please share with me what you've found that's good in the place you now reside. For starters... what country is it? Or... is it an island that is annexed by another country?

Thanks.

Originally Posted by WarChild

I am currently living in Costa Rica. It's considered the jewel of Central America. I highly recommend it for a place to live or vacation. :thumbsup

Costa Rica has a geographic tax law. You pay income tax on money you earn in Costa Rica. I earn most of my money from the United States.

There is no army at all in Costa Rica making a coup impossible.

Healthcare and education?

Costa Rica: http://www.cia.gov/cia/publications/...k/geos/cs.html

Infant mortality rate:
total: 9.95 deaths/1,000 live births

Life expectancy at birth:
total population: 76.84 years

Literacy:
definition: age 15 and over can read and write
total population: 96%

Canada: http://www.cia.gov/cia/publications/...k/geos/ca.html

Infant mortality rate:
total: 4.75 deaths/1,000 live births

Life expectancy at birth:
total population: 80.1 years

Literacy:
definition: age 15 and over can read and write
total population: 97% (1986 est.)

Clearly, Costa Rica is no Mexico. If you'd like to know more, feel free to hit me up anytime!

Originally Posted by CDSmith

Of course you have it good weather-wise and income-tax-wise.... but the question on my mind for you would be..... what things are you giving up in order to live there?

What I mean is.... Well let me first say that the only place I know of that has no income tax on it's people is the Caymen Islands, are there other places similar?

I would be wondering what the standard of health care is like..... what the overall "security" of the country is, and how well-looked-after I'd be in the event of a large scale disaster. Case in point; I've visited Mexico several times, and although tempting in many ways I just don't know if I'd want to live there permanently. In Canada I know that our country is, well, basically safe and secure. I know that our hospitals are as modern and up-to-date as any in the world, and that our government is less likely to go through a military takeover or coup d'etat like some of the banana-republics of the world have experienced.

If you have found a place that allays all those concerns (and possibly others), then by all means if you're feeling charitable please share with me what you've found that's good in the place you now reside. For starters... what country is it? Or... is it an island that is annexed by another country?

Thanks.

Originally Posted by davidd

Mexico is NOT Costa Rica.

Originally Posted by davidd

You mentioned weather in passing like it was nothing to consider.

Originally Posted by davidd

Weather as proven by study after study drastically effects mood. I lived in the NE of the USA and the weather fucked me up. When I finally moved out of the Tundra and into a place that I could actually live for 10 months of the year, the attitude change was a paradigm shift. People often retort with "I love to ski" "I love to ski mobile"... Okay, these are fine recreations, but what about the other days of the week you need to put on 5 layers, have your fingers so cold you can not move them, and deal with Cabin Fever of having to stay inside to remain ALIVE.

Originally Posted by davidd

I could go forever, but trust me when I say, if you put down your instilled nationalistic pride (or city, state, etc) and look at another area with a clear mind... only then can you evaluate an area.

Originally Posted by CDSmith

Thanks right back at you for your prior response to me. you'll find that I can and will converse with someone without calling them a dickfaced fucktard at every percieved slight or minor disagreement. :D

Now, on to your latest comments...

I know.

Wrong. I mentioned weather in passing as if it was a given. I know full well that the weather in his "tropical nation" would be better than where I am, overall. Don't get me wrong, Canadians see some pretty damned fine days, incredible sunrises & sunsets, hot sunny days and clear cold winter days, amazing fall days with all the leaves turning, and spring days like nowhere else on earth.... it just depends where you live is all.

You took my meaning all wrong on that point. Let's continue....


I take it you're not a hockey player then? lol... I grew up eating, sleeping and breathing hockey. When we weren't on skates we'd be out on the front street playing road hockey, or down the basement taking shots on the net. (the hockey net I got for christmas)

Snowball fights.
Outdoor winter festivals (we have them hear in Winnipeg every winter, Festival du voyageur etc)

Winter is a part of Winnipeggers, and anyone who really hates the length of our winters here are of course free to fly south and vacash for 2, 3, or 10 weeks. I did so more than a few times in past years.



Agreed, but I hesitate to admit that I suffer from that affliction. My pride for where I live is born out of A) living here and knowing what it's like first-hand, and B) having travelled and breifly lived in several other places over the years, I can actually compare here to there. If I'm not first-hand familiar with a location I always seem to be able to find someone who is, and I get my information on that place/city/country that way.

I'm not really looking to move, but I am open to it, if that makes any sense. I realize there are other places in the world that have a lot to offer a person, it's just a matter of finding one that fits my idea of "better". I am a traveller at heart, I love seeing and experiencing new places and different people, but having said all that the thing I'm left wanting to say is that we have it pretty damned good right here where I am, for many reasons. It's a tough place to beat, and I'd miss it if I ever do move away.