mikesouth

you see the feds can't do shit until the city requests help from the state and the state requests help from the feds...thats the chain of command.

The mayor evacuated people to the superdome and the civic center without bothering to tell them that there would be no gaurantee of help there

He and the governor failed to request help from the feds in a timely manner....the feds werent notified that the people had been sent to these places as soon as they should have been and precious time was lost because of it

what the mayor is doing now is called coivering his ass...Im not taking up for thye feds here because they fucked up to be sure but to hold that incompetant mayor up as a hero is ridiculous he should lose his job pronto

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jade_dragon

Actually the civic center and the super dome have ALWAYS been the evacuation points for the new orleans metro area, most of the people in there have been there before so they knew what was going to happen and he did what was supposed to be done.

Likewise he is lower on the chain of command than the Gov. who is the only official (says the feds) who can request martial law and help from the federal government. where they went is irrelivent when you think that the government saw the storm come in and hit and really should have asked what was going on.

Just like Nagin said, did the people of Iraq go through the proper lines to ask for help, how about the tsunami victims, did they formally ask for help. NO and NO and those are people outside of our borders, like blacks or poor or not, at least be smart enough to protect your oil supply.

Not flaming on you for not knowing how it works like others would, just thought you would want to know how it works.

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High Plains Drifter

Fuck the chain of command. Get the people out of the city while they're still alive.

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Seriously, where in the fuck do you people come up with this shit? So everyone in the nation that watches CNN knew that people were being sent to the Superdome but Bush and the Feds didn't?

NaughtyRob

The people were better off going to those places, then staying in their homes and getting flooded. It's not their fault the men are savages and raped and killed people.

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OTerror

exactly those people need urgent help

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benc

I also dont think his rhetoric does any good.


But heres something I just thought of. They told people to come to the superdome and convention center, wouldnt it had been a good idea for New Orleans to stock those places with some provisions.

I think people have been way too critical of the federal govt.

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What he said

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MREs and water could have been airdropped pretty damn quick if someone could have gotten off their asses to do it.

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hydro

you can't really place the blame on just 1 person everybody fucked up just a little bit but none of it was on purpose. Nobody wanted this to happen and everybody did what they could to prevent it but what we need to worry about now is helping those who can't help themselves.

fuzzypeach

No kidding ehh?

Feds can monitor GFY but they can't monitor CNN?

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David!

Bubba, sorry if you feel insulted cuz your buddy, the soon to be ex-mayor of N.O. fucked up.
If the feds had moved before the mayor and the governor had asked them to, you'd be the first one to write shit like "Another example of the dubya overstepping his power"
So, please do us a favor and shut your pie hole

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Thee Johnclave

Yeah, everyone would have been outraged if Bush/the Feds had stepped up and done the right thing.

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David!

Actually this is a reply on an ongoing exchange I've had with the Ninja warrior

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Some of the blame can be put on the people here also. I am going to play devil's advocate. Taking hand outs puts you in a dehabilitated state, honestly the government has stocked the shelves of many of the people who were in the super dome through commodity foods such as juice, powdered eggs, peanut butter etc. When most of us were in a college dorms trying to get our stomachs fed they were getting food delivered to them with part of the money taken from your work check. Likewise all of us know every year that the storms are coming and that we need to stock up on food and non parishable goods, batteries, flash lights, an axe for chopping through attics and wood, gasoline for cars, and water, evac or not. We lose power because of storms all the time, hurricanes are fewer than major storms that flood the area, you know the deal if you live here.

A lot of these people have become dependant on the local and federal government picking up their slack, it was supposed to be a hand up not a hand out. They did not take the aid as a means for them to lower cost of living to get out of their situation, they instead took it as something that was owed to them and THAT is why they are so angry now. They thought that the government owed them an easier life and when the shit hits the fan and it is not given to them they get resentful and angry. Well now something hit and the federal and local government is not able to do the same for them, they have their issues, right or wrong does not matter the fact is the 7 p's piss poor planning prevents proper performance. There was neglect on their side to properly prepare for this situation.

The majority of people got out because they did what it took everyday to make sure they had what they would need, and here is the important term, "in case shit", it is kinda like life insurance, no it IS life insurance. "We should get a car, in case shit happens and we need to do something", "We should take some of these food stamps and get some water and other things, in case shit happens sp we have food when we evac to the dome" I was taught at a young age to take care of my own business and that is why I am in the position I am in now, they did not, that is why they are in the position they are in now.

Some of those poor people have never taken a hand out in their lives and I understand that but they have made decisions in life that have led to this, it is what can be called Social Darwanism, hopefully this will be a wake up call to some of them, sometimes all you need is a swift kick in the ass, it is unfortunate the lesson was not learned before hand, as my favorite saying goes. "Wisdom is cheaper than experience"

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Louisiana Gov. Kathleen Blanco said that it was President Bush that had called and urged the state to order the evacuation.

New Orleans orders evacuation Hurricane Katrina's winds nearly 175 mph

Sunday, August 28, 2005; Posted: 11:47 a.m. EDT (15:47 GMT)

NEW ORLEANS, Louisiana (CNN) -- New Orleans Mayor Ray Nagin declared a state of emergency on Sunday and ordered a mandatory evacuation of the city as Hurricane Katrina churned toward the city with maximum sustained winds of nearly 175 mph.

All of Orleans Parish falls under the order except for necessary personnel in government, emergency and some other public service categories.

People who are unable to evacuate were told to immediately report to a designated shelter.

"I wish I had better news for you, but we are facing a storm that most of us have feared," Nagin said. "I do not want to create panic, but I do want the citizens to understand that this is very serious and it's of the highest nature."

Louisiana Gov. Kathleen Blanco said that President Bush had called and urged the state to order the evacuation.

About 485,000 people live in the city, and many began evacuating before sunrise.

Blanco said that westbound traffic was heavy and that the state police was urging people to travel to the north or east.

Shelters have been set up at 10 sites, including the Superdome, for people who cannot leave the city for medical or other reasons, but Nagin said they should be used only as a "last resort." (See video from New Orleans, where not all are ready to leave)

He said people who must stay in the shelter should bring enough food, water and supplies to last several days.

The National Hurricane Center in Miami said low-lying areas along the Gulf Coast could expect storm surges of up to 25 feet as the Category 5 storm makes landfall early Monday.

Officials fear New Orleans is vulnerable because it sits an average of 6 feet below sea level. (Watch video of how New Orleans reacted to warning)

Nagin said the storm surge would likely topple the levy system that protects the city.

"It has the potential for a large loss of life," said Max Mayfield, director of the NHC. (Watch CNN meteorologist explain storm outlook)

Katrina is blamed for at least seven deaths in Florida, where it made landfall Thursday as a Category 1 hurricane. As much as 18 inches of rain fell in some areas, flooding streets and homes. (See video of the damage floodwaters left in one family's new house)

At 10 a.m. ET, Katrina was centered about 225 miles south-southeast of the mouth of the Mississippi River. It was moving to the west-northwest at about 12 mph.

NHC forecaster Ed Rappaport said Katrina's strength could fluctuate before it reaches shore but noted the difference between a high Category 4 and a low Category 5 was practically inconsequential.

"There will be extensive to potentially catastrophic damage to many structures ... and inland," he said. "We'll have a lot of trees that are going to come down, perhaps millions of trees. But the first threat is going to be the storm surge. You must get away from the coast now."

By 8:30 a.m. ET, the first bands of rain were falling over southeastern Louisiana.

CNN meteorologist Brad Huffines said the Katrina would come ashore "sometime between 5 a.m. and 8 a.m." Monday.

"The news doesn't get good, unfortunately," he said. "These rain showers will slow down the evacuation process, and that means you need to hit the road quickly, very quickly."

Worst-case scenario In worst-case scenarios, most of New Orleans would end up under 15 feet of water, without electricity, clean water and sewage for months. Even pumping the water out could take as long as four months to get started because the massive pumps that would do the job would be underwater.

"People in New Orleans tend to think that the storm we've always planned on would never come," Louisiana National Guard Lt. Col. Pete Schneider said. "But people need to heed that warning."

Rappaport cautioned that New Orleans was not the only area threatened -- the storm's hurricane winds spread out as far as 100 miles. As far east as Mobile, Alabama, forecasters warned of storm surges reaching 8 to 10 feet.

Hurricane warnings were posted from Morgan City, Louisiana, eastward to the Alabama-Florida state line, including New Orleans and Lake Pontchartrain. A hurricane warning means hurricane conditions, including winds of at least 74 mph, are expected in the warning area within the next 24 hours.

A tropical storm warning and a hurricane watch were issued from the Alabama-Florida state line eastward to Destin, Florida, and from west of Morgan City to Intracoastal City, Louisiana. Another tropical storm warning was issued Sunday from Intracoastal City, Louisiana, west to Cameron, Louisiana, and from Destin, Florida, eastward to Indian Pass, Florida.

A tropical storm warning means tropical storm conditions, including winds of at least 39 mph, are expected within 24 hours. A hurricane watch means hurricane conditions are possible, usually within 36 hours.

Governors of both Louisiana and Mississippi declared emergencies Friday in anticipation of the strengthening storm.

Robert Latham, director of the Mississippi Emergency Management Agency, said the state was recommending evacuations along the coast "and even several counties inland." Mandatory evacuations could follow later, he said.

Category 5 is the highest category on the Saffir-Simpson scale of hurricane intensity. Only three Category 5 hurricanes have made landfall in the United States since records were kept. Those were the Labor Day hurricane of 1935, 1969's Hurricane Camille and Hurricane Andrew, which devastated the Miami area in 1992. Andrew remains the costliest U.S. hurricane on record, with $26.5 billion in losses.

Camille came ashore in Mississippi and killed 256 people.

Oil production cut U.S. energy companies said U.S. Gulf of Mexico crude oil output was cut by more than one-third on Saturday due to the threatening storm, Reuters reported.

The Gulf of Mexico is home to roughly a quarter of U.S. domestic oil and gas output, with a capacity to produce about 1.5 million barrels per day of crude and 12.3 billion cubic feet per day of gas. (Full story)

Many oil platforms and rigs in the Gulf of Mexico have been evacuated. ((Watch the video of drilling crews securing rigs and seeking safety.)

CNN's David Mattingly, Susan Candiotti, Jacqui Jeras and Rob Marciano contributed to this report.

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KRL

Here's the full radio interview where Mayor Nagin gets candid and furious.

Wow you gotta listen to him flipping out.

http://www.mr-nasty.com/audio.php?&f...n%209-1-05.mp3

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demented

You could hear his pain, no doubt..

Doctor Dre

That's a pretty stupid post IMO . There are evacuation plans in every city and I'm sure the feds have them ... there are some for 2000 people cities and stuff .

There are always a couple of "last resort" buildings . And it was ALL over the news couple hours after it happened ... it's been 5 days now ... the whole world knew they were there in teh first 12 hours ...

And he DID request help.

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Tango

I have to say that he is not really the problem - I think that the people with the resources are really the problem here.

Does Mayor Nagin control the US Military? NO
Does Mayor Nagin control the National Guard? NO
Does Mayor Nagin control the Federal Disaster Dollars? NO
Does Mayor Nagin have ability to fix the flooding? NO
Does Mayor Nagin have ability to evacuate everyone? NO
Does Mayor Nagin have the resource base of the Feds? ABSOLUTELY FUCK -NO

OK - so take that and put yourself in his shoes for the last 6 days

Bush new everything and had power todo everything - in fact - this is the first time that I ever remember that the President of the USA has ever declared an area a disaster area before the storm or tragedy has even hit. Remember - he declared the areas disaster areas BEFORE the storms even hit.

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The mayor was calling for help day 1. The government took their sweet time getting off their asses and getting help there. Look how quick they moved with the Tsunami? That was in a different country. Something in our own country they should have been there that day with supplies and help.

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Webby

Sure "looks" like they took time getting off their asses Stallion and chances are you are correct!

This crap is not nearly finished .. hardly started, and the display of inactivity and possible incompetence is going to bounce back and have repercussions all over.

It was a "real disaster" and plenty logistical problems, but for a country with more resources than many, - it's a pitiful response to people in need.

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