So Bush can invade Iraq in 1 week but he cannot control the situation in New Orleans? - GoFuckYourself.com

Paraskass · 09-01-2005, 10:15 PM

A little less $ spent on war could have gone a long way in helping disasters such as the one in New Orleans and the other regions...

oh well....

"New Orleans in Anarchy With Fights, Rapes"

NEW ORLEANS - New Orleans descended into anarchy Thursday as corpses lay abandoned in street medians, fights and fires broke out, cops turned in their badges and the governor declared war on looters who have made the city a menacing landscape of disorder and fear.
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"They have M-16s and they're locked and loaded," Gov. Kathleen Blanco said of 300 National Guard troops who landed in New Orleans fresh from duty in
Iraq. "These troops know how to shoot and kill, and they are more than willing to do so, and I expect they will."

Four days after Hurricane Katrina roared in with a devastating blow that inflicted potentially thousands of deaths, the fear, anger and violence mounted Thursday.

"I'm not sure I'm going to get out of here alive," said Canadian tourist Larry Mitzel, who handed a reporter his business card in case he goes missing. "I'm scared of riots. I'm scared of the locals. We might get caught in the crossfire."

The chaos deepened despite the promise of 1,400 National Guardsmen a day to stop the looting, plans for a $10 billion recovery bill in Congress and a government relief effort
President Bush called the biggest in U.S. history.

New Orleans' top emergency management official called that effort a "national disgrace" and questioned when reinforcements would actually reach the increasingly lawless city.

About 15,000 to 20,000 people who had taken shelter at New Orleans convention center grew ever more hostile after waiting for buses for days amid the filth and the dead. Police Chief Eddie Compass said there was such a crush around a squad of 88 officers that they retreated when they went in to check out reports of assaults.

"We have individuals who are getting raped, we have individuals who are getting beaten," Compass said. "Tourists are walking in that direction and they are getting preyed upon."

Col. Henry Whitehorn, chief of the Louisiana State Police, said he heard of numerous instances of New Orleans police officers ? many of whom from flooded areas ? turning in their badges.

"They indicated that they had lost everything and didn't feel that it was worth them going back to take fire from looters and losing their lives," Whitehorn said.

A military helicopter tried to land at the convention center several times to drop off food and water. But the rushing crowd forced the choppers to back off. Troopers then tossed the supplies to the crowd from 10 feet off the ground and flew away.

In hopes of defusing the situation at the convention center, Mayor Ray Nagin gave the refugees permission to march across a bridge to the city's unflooded west bank for whatever relief they could find. But the bedlam made that difficult.

"This is a desperate SOS," Nagin said in a statement. "Right now we are out of resources at the convention center and don't anticipate enough buses."

At least seven bodies were scattered outside the convention center, a makeshift staging area for those rescued from rooftops, attics and highways. The sidewalks were packed with people without food, water or medical care, and with no sign of law enforcement.

An old man in a chaise lounge lay dead in a grassy median as hungry babies wailed around him. Around the corner, an elderly woman lay dead in her wheelchair, covered up by a blanket, and another body lay beside her wrapped in a sheet.

"I don't treat my dog like that," 47-year-old Daniel Edwards said as he pointed at the woman in the wheelchair.

"You can do everything for other countries, but you can't do nothing for your own people," he added. "You can go overseas with the military, but you can't get them down here."

The street outside the center, above the floodwaters, smelled of urine and feces, and was choked with dirty diapers, old bottles and garbage.

"They've been teasing us with buses for four days," Edwards said. "They're telling us they're going to come get us one day, and then they don't show up."

Every so often, an armored state police vehicle cruised in front of the convention center with four or five officers in riot gear with automatic weapons. But there was no sign of help from the National Guard.

At one point the crowd began to chant "We want help! We want help!" Later, a woman, screaming, went on the front steps of the convention center and led the crowd in reciting the 23rd Psalm, "The Lord is my shepherd ..."

"We are out here like pure animals," the Issac Clark said.

"We've got people dying out here ? two babies have died, a woman died, a man died," said Helen Cheek. "We haven't had no food, we haven't had no water, we haven't had nothing. They just brought us here and dropped us."

Tourist Debbie Durso of Washington, Mich., said she asked a police officer for assistance and his response was, "'Go to hell ? it's every man for himself.'"

"This is just insanity," she said. "We have no food, no water ... all these trucks and buses go by and they do nothing but wave."

FEMA director Michael Brown said the agency just learned about the situation at the convention center Thursday and quickly scrambled to provide food, water and medical care and remove the corpses.

Speaking on CNN's "Larry King Live,"
Homeland Security Secretary
Michael Chertoff said the evacuation of New Orleans should be completed by the end of the weekend.

At the hot and stinking Superdome, where 30,000 were being evacuated by bus to the Houston Astrodome, fistfights and fires erupted amid a seething sea of tense, suffering people who waited in a lines that stretched a half-mile to board yellow school buses.

After a traffic jam kept buses from arriving for nearly four hours, a near-riot broke out in the scramble to get on the buses that finally did show up, with a group of refugees breaking through a line of heavily armed National Guardsmen.

One military policeman was shot in the leg as he and a man scuffled for the MP's rifle, police Capt. Ernie Demmo said. The man was arrested.

Some of those among the mostly poor crowd had been in the dome for four days without air conditioning, working toilets or a place to bathe. An ambulance service airlifting the sick and injured out of the Superdome suspended flights as too dangerous after it was reported that a bullet was fired at a military helicopter.

"If they're just taking us anywhere, just anywhere, I say praise God," said refugee John Phillip. "Nothing could be worse than what we've been through."

By Thursday evening, 11 hours after the military began evacuating the Superdome, the arena held 10,000 more people than it did at dawn. National Guard Capt. John Pollard said evacuees from around the city poured into the Superdome and swelled the crowd to about 30,000 because they believed the arena was the best place to get a ride out of town.

rest of storie here...
http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=stor...ricane_katrina

spunkmaster · 09-01-2005, 10:25 PM

In case you don't know the Feds cannot send in any Military to stop civil unrest or perform police department actions.

The military you see now and will see thousands tomorrow are national guard troops who will be under the authority of the Governor not the feds !

Rochard · 09-01-2005, 10:30 PM

I'm sure we can just fly the aid in, right? I'm sure the local airports are working.

Or maybe they aren't. No matter, they can just drive in. I'm sure the buses float and can cross the bridges that are no longer there.

Give it time folks, help will get there.

Paraskass · 09-01-2005, 10:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RocHard

I'm sure we can just fly the aid in, right? I'm sure the local airports are working.

Or maybe they aren't. No matter, they can just drive in. I'm sure the buses float and can cross the bridges that are no longer there.

Give it time folks, help will get there.

true...
spends millions dropping off crates of food in afghanistan by air... or wait, even better fucking propoganda papers by air also. I guess I am the stupid one.

Oh, and I guess the busses emptying the stadium are just floating to Texas.

assfuck.

tony286 · 09-01-2005, 10:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RocHard

I'm sure we can just fly the aid in, right? I'm sure the local airports are working.

Or maybe they aren't. No matter, they can just drive in. I'm sure the buses float and can cross the bridges that are no longer there.

Give it time folks, help will get there.

your fucking kidding right? lol LEts see if it was one of your relatives laying in the street dying , if you would be saying something as flipant as give it time.

hottoddy · 09-01-2005, 10:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by spunkmaster

In case you don't know the Feds cannot send in any Military to stop civil unrest or perform police department actions.
...

Stop confusing him with the facts!

mlj · 09-01-2005, 10:38 PM

Shut The Fuck Up.

spunkmaster · 09-01-2005, 10:38 PM

Over 300 semi's filled with water and food left Alabama starting yesterday to the area
and you'll start seeing them arrive any minute.

Why the fuck has the Mayor and police chief of NO been MIA the last few days?

Rob · 09-01-2005, 10:38 PM

I read the title, but that's about it.

spunkmaster · 09-01-2005, 10:44 PM

Posse Comitatus Act of 1878 forbids the use of the military in enforcing US laws
unless the Governor or President declares Marshall Law.

If the Governor declares marshall Law she completely turns 100% of the entire states
laws over to the Feds and it's never happened in the US since the 1800's before the southwest were even states.

The President will never declare Marshall Law just for 20,000 people in one city because it would also mean they take responsibility for all the other states as well.

It's a catch 22 for the Feds because they support the states in a supporting role
as defined in the FEMA act.

The limits on what FEMA can do taking the lead during disasters goes back to the 70's when the congress thought FEMA had too many powers not given to them by congress.

Doctor Dre · 09-01-2005, 10:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by HighOnAcid

I read the title, but that's about it.

read the whole thing, it's a good resume of everything that happened

09-01-2005, 10:15 PM	#1
Paraskass Confirmed User Join Date: May 2002 Location: QC Posts: 5,829	So Bush can invade Iraq in 1 week but he cannot control the situation in New Orleans? A little less $ spent on war could have gone a long way in helping disasters such as the one in New Orleans and the other regions... oh well.... "New Orleans in Anarchy With Fights, Rapes" NEW ORLEANS - New Orleans descended into anarchy Thursday as corpses lay abandoned in street medians, fights and fires broke out, cops turned in their badges and the governor declared war on looters who have made the city a menacing landscape of disorder and fear. ADVERTISEMENT "They have M-16s and they're locked and loaded," Gov. Kathleen Blanco said of 300 National Guard troops who landed in New Orleans fresh from duty in Iraq. "These troops know how to shoot and kill, and they are more than willing to do so, and I expect they will." Four days after Hurricane Katrina roared in with a devastating blow that inflicted potentially thousands of deaths, the fear, anger and violence mounted Thursday. "I'm not sure I'm going to get out of here alive," said Canadian tourist Larry Mitzel, who handed a reporter his business card in case he goes missing. "I'm scared of riots. I'm scared of the locals. We might get caught in the crossfire." The chaos deepened despite the promise of 1,400 National Guardsmen a day to stop the looting, plans for a $10 billion recovery bill in Congress and a government relief effort President Bush called the biggest in U.S. history. New Orleans' top emergency management official called that effort a "national disgrace" and questioned when reinforcements would actually reach the increasingly lawless city. About 15,000 to 20,000 people who had taken shelter at New Orleans convention center grew ever more hostile after waiting for buses for days amid the filth and the dead. Police Chief Eddie Compass said there was such a crush around a squad of 88 officers that they retreated when they went in to check out reports of assaults. "We have individuals who are getting raped, we have individuals who are getting beaten," Compass said. "Tourists are walking in that direction and they are getting preyed upon." Col. Henry Whitehorn, chief of the Louisiana State Police, said he heard of numerous instances of New Orleans police officers ? many of whom from flooded areas ? turning in their badges. "They indicated that they had lost everything and didn't feel that it was worth them going back to take fire from looters and losing their lives," Whitehorn said. A military helicopter tried to land at the convention center several times to drop off food and water. But the rushing crowd forced the choppers to back off. Troopers then tossed the supplies to the crowd from 10 feet off the ground and flew away. In hopes of defusing the situation at the convention center, Mayor Ray Nagin gave the refugees permission to march across a bridge to the city's unflooded west bank for whatever relief they could find. But the bedlam made that difficult. "This is a desperate SOS," Nagin said in a statement. "Right now we are out of resources at the convention center and don't anticipate enough buses." At least seven bodies were scattered outside the convention center, a makeshift staging area for those rescued from rooftops, attics and highways. The sidewalks were packed with people without food, water or medical care, and with no sign of law enforcement. An old man in a chaise lounge lay dead in a grassy median as hungry babies wailed around him. Around the corner, an elderly woman lay dead in her wheelchair, covered up by a blanket, and another body lay beside her wrapped in a sheet. "I don't treat my dog like that," 47-year-old Daniel Edwards said as he pointed at the woman in the wheelchair. "You can do everything for other countries, but you can't do nothing for your own people," he added. "You can go overseas with the military, but you can't get them down here." The street outside the center, above the floodwaters, smelled of urine and feces, and was choked with dirty diapers, old bottles and garbage. "They've been teasing us with buses for four days," Edwards said. "They're telling us they're going to come get us one day, and then they don't show up." Every so often, an armored state police vehicle cruised in front of the convention center with four or five officers in riot gear with automatic weapons. But there was no sign of help from the National Guard. At one point the crowd began to chant "We want help! We want help!" Later, a woman, screaming, went on the front steps of the convention center and led the crowd in reciting the 23rd Psalm, "The Lord is my shepherd ..." "We are out here like pure animals," the Issac Clark said. "We've got people dying out here ? two babies have died, a woman died, a man died," said Helen Cheek. "We haven't had no food, we haven't had no water, we haven't had nothing. They just brought us here and dropped us." Tourist Debbie Durso of Washington, Mich., said she asked a police officer for assistance and his response was, "'Go to hell ? it's every man for himself.'" "This is just insanity," she said. "We have no food, no water ... all these trucks and buses go by and they do nothing but wave." FEMA director Michael Brown said the agency just learned about the situation at the convention center Thursday and quickly scrambled to provide food, water and medical care and remove the corpses. Speaking on CNN's "Larry King Live," Homeland Security Secretary Michael Chertoff said the evacuation of New Orleans should be completed by the end of the weekend. At the hot and stinking Superdome, where 30,000 were being evacuated by bus to the Houston Astrodome, fistfights and fires erupted amid a seething sea of tense, suffering people who waited in a lines that stretched a half-mile to board yellow school buses. After a traffic jam kept buses from arriving for nearly four hours, a near-riot broke out in the scramble to get on the buses that finally did show up, with a group of refugees breaking through a line of heavily armed National Guardsmen. One military policeman was shot in the leg as he and a man scuffled for the MP's rifle, police Capt. Ernie Demmo said. The man was arrested. Some of those among the mostly poor crowd had been in the dome for four days without air conditioning, working toilets or a place to bathe. An ambulance service airlifting the sick and injured out of the Superdome suspended flights as too dangerous after it was reported that a bullet was fired at a military helicopter. "If they're just taking us anywhere, just anywhere, I say praise God," said refugee John Phillip. "Nothing could be worse than what we've been through." By Thursday evening, 11 hours after the military began evacuating the Superdome, the arena held 10,000 more people than it did at dawn. National Guard Capt. John Pollard said evacuees from around the city poured into the Superdome and swelled the crowd to about 30,000 because they believed the arena was the best place to get a ride out of town. rest of storie here... http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=stor...ricane_katrina __________________

09-01-2005, 10:25 PM	#2
spunkmaster Confirmed User Join Date: Jan 2004 Posts: 2,052	In case you don't know the Feds cannot send in any Military to stop civil unrest or perform police department actions. The military you see now and will see thousands tomorrow are national guard troops who will be under the authority of the Governor not the feds ! __________________

09-01-2005, 10:30 PM	#3
Rochard Jägermeister Test Pilot Industry Role: Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: NORCAL Posts: 74,001	I'm sure we can just fly the aid in, right? I'm sure the local airports are working. Or maybe they aren't. No matter, they can just drive in. I'm sure the buses float and can cross the bridges that are no longer there. Give it time folks, help will get there. __________________ “The choice is no longer between right or left. The choice is between normal and crazy.” - Sarah Huckabee Sanders YNOT MAIL \| THE BEST ADULT MAILING SOLUTION

09-01-2005, 10:38 PM	#8
spunkmaster Confirmed User Join Date: Jan 2004 Posts: 2,052	Over 300 semi's filled with water and food left Alabama starting yesterday to the area and you'll start seeing them arrive any minute. Why the fuck has the Mayor and police chief of NO been MIA the last few days? __________________

09-01-2005, 10:38 PM	#9
Rob I'm a great bowler. Industry Role: Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Right Outside of Normal. Posts: 13,309	I read the title, but that's about it. __________________

09-01-2005, 10:38 PM	#7
mlj Registered User Join Date: Jun 2005 Posts: 89	Shut The Fuck Up.

09-01-2005, 10:44 PM	#10
spunkmaster Confirmed User Join Date: Jan 2004 Posts: 2,052	Posse Comitatus Act of 1878 forbids the use of the military in enforcing US laws unless the Governor or President declares Marshall Law. If the Governor declares marshall Law she completely turns 100% of the entire states laws over to the Feds and it's never happened in the US since the 1800's before the southwest were even states. The President will never declare Marshall Law just for 20,000 people in one city because it would also mean they take responsibility for all the other states as well. It's a catch 22 for the Feds because they support the states in a supporting role as defined in the FEMA act. The limits on what FEMA can do taking the lead during disasters goes back to the 70's when the congress thought FEMA had too many powers not given to them by congress. __________________