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Mr. Mojo Risin

I never said I didn't blame any other president, I do. I'm saying that now that this has happened, he hasn't done enough fast enough.

AlienQ - BANNED FOR LIFE

Its not just the president.

Its Politicians. They are the ones making bad decisions with our money and are not being held accountable for waisting our efforts on crap, thievery and more.

If America had more honest politicians our nation would be ready for natural disasters.
We pay alot of taxes. ALOT and where does it go?

It goes to a fucken war effort based on lies. It fills corrupt government pockets and it shows when a natural disaster strikes just how incapable our Politicians are.

We got people dying in New Orleans now and seriously all they can do is figure out how much to fucken charge us for god damn Oil.

Its Pathetic and they need to be held accountable.

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Mr. Mojo Risin

I'm sure you would think differently if you were one of the people(or a loved one) in New Orleans/Mississippi/Alabama now without a home, food, water, health care.

Mr. Mojo Risin

You are right. Too much money is going to senseless wars like Iraq and pork barrel spending. Our government is corrupt though. Most people don't care enough to really do anything about it though and it takes a lot of people to change things.

bringer

stfu about sending in the military. all you people saying the president should send them in are the same people who would call bush a murder when the military killed people attacking them. anyone hear about the people shooting up the police station with ak47s? they got away. the military wouldnt be as forgiving

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spunkmaster

What fucking news channel have you been watching?

Army trucks have been rolling in NO all day today loaded with Ice, Water and MRE's. Fuck, they even bused over 10,000 down to Houston already and evaucated 1000 people from a hospital.

They have 5 million meals rolling in tomorrow after first light.

Man you comment has me shaking my head wondering your mind is at?

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The ones that showed empty trucks driving around and not helping people.
The ones where they are showing dead bodies and telling people to forget about them.
The one that shows no Law enforcement as looters pull everything they can.

The one that talks about Bush not implementing monies to reinforce the fucking levies.
The one that keeps talking about how much Oil is going to go up.

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bringer

stop watching the bbc

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Mr. Mojo Risin

"In Louisiana, more than a quarter of the state?s National Guard troops are currently in Iraq?a stat that had local officials concerned considering the role the guard typically plays in helping the state weather such storms. A Survey USA poll released earlier this month found Bush?s approval rating in Louisiana had dipped to 48 percent?down 5 points since July.

Beyond the poll numbers, the Bush administration faces some immediate, urgent challenges?and serious questions about its response to the disaster. For all the president?s statements ahead of the hurricane, the region seemed woefully unprepared for the flooding of New Orleans?a catastrophe that has long been predicted by experts and politicians alike. There seems to have been no contingency planning for a total evacuation of the city, including the final refuges of the city?s Superdome and its hospitals. There were no supplies of food and water ready offshore?on Navy ships for instance?in the event of such flooding, even though government officials knew there were thousands of people stranded inside the sweltering and powerless city.

Then there?s the speed of the Bush administration?s response to such disasters. Just one week ago the White House declared that a major disaster existed in Louisiana, specifically most of the areas (such as Jefferson Parish) that are now under water. Was the White House psychic about the disaster ahead? Not exactly. In fact the major disaster referred to Tropical Storm Cindy, which struck the state a full seven weeks earlier. That announcement triggered federal aid for the stricken areas, where the clean-up had been on hold for almost two months while the White House chewed things over.

Now, faced with a far bigger and deadlier disaster, the Bush administration faces at least two difficult questions: Was it ready to deal with the long-predicted flooding of New Orleans? And is it ready to deal with the long-predicted terrorist attack that might some day strike another of our big cities?"

http://msnbc.msn.com/id/9148526/site/newsweek/

Mr. Mojo Risin

Here's the Story of a Hurricane:

The Gulf Coast wetlands form a "natural buffer that helps protect New Orleans from storms," slowing hurricanes down as they approach from sea. When he came into office, President Bush pledged to uphold the "no net loss" wetland policy his father initiated. He didn't keep his word. Bush rolled back tough wetland policies set by the Clinton administration, ordering federal agencies "to stop protecting as many as 20 million acres of wetlands and an untold number of waterways nationwide." Last year, four environmental groups issued a joint report showing that administration policies had allowed "developers to drain thousands of acres of wetlands."

Mr. Mojo Risin

When the levee breaks
It appears that the money has been moved in the president?s budget to handle homeland security and the war in Iraq, and I suppose that?s the price we pay. Nobody locally is happy that the levees can?t be finished, and we are doing everything we can to make the case that this is a security issue for us.

-- Walter Maestri, emergency management chief for Jefferson Parish, Louisiana; New Orleans Times-Picayune, June 8, 2004.

This picture is an aerial view of New Orleans today, more than 14 months later. Even though Hurricane Katrina has moved well north of the city and the sun is out, the waters continue to rise in New Orleans as we write this. That's because Lake Pontchartrain continues to pour through a two-block-long break in the main levee, near the city's 17th Street Canal. With much of the Crescent City some 10 feet below sea level, the rising tide may not stop until until it's level with the massive lake.

There have been numerous reports of bodies floating in the poorest neighborhoods of this poverty-plagued city, but the truth is that the death toll may not be known for days, because the conditions continue to frustrate rescue efforts.

New Orleans had long known it was highly vulnerable to flooding and a direct hit from a hurricane. In fact, the federal government has been working with state and local officials in the region since the late 1960s on major hurricane and flood relief efforts. When flooding from a massive rainstorm in May 1995 killed six people, Congress authorized the Southeast Louisiana Urban Flood Control Project, or SELA.

Over the next 10 years, the Army Corps of Engineers, tasked with carrying out SELA, spent $430 million on shoring up levees and building pumping stations, with $50 million in local aid. But at least $250 million in crucial projects remained, even as hurricane activity in the Atlantic Basin increased dramatically and the levees surrounding New Orleans continued to subside.

Yet after 2003, the flow of federal dollars toward SELA dropped to a trickle. The Corps never tried to hide the fact that the spending pressures of the war in Iraq, as well as homeland security -- coming at the same time as federal tax cuts -- was the reason for the strain. At least nine articles in the Times-Picayune from 2004 and 2005 specifically cite the cost of Iraq as a reason for the lack of hurricane- and flood-control dollars. (Much of the research here is from Nexis, which is why some articles aren't linked.)

In early 2004, as the cost of the conflict in Iraq soared, President Bush proposed spending less than 20 percent of what the Corps said was needed for Lake Pontchartrain, according to this Feb. 16, 2004, article, in New Orleans CityBusiness:

The $750 million Lake Pontchartrain and Vicinity Hurricane Protection project is another major Corps project, which remains about 20% incomplete due to lack of funds, said Al Naomi, project manager. That project consists of building up levees and protection for pumping stations on the east bank of the Mississippi River in Orleans, St. Bernard, St. Charles and Jefferson parishes.

The Lake Pontchartrain project is slated to receive $3.9 million in the president's 2005 budget. Naomi said about $20 million is needed.

"The longer we wait without funding, the more we sink," he said. "I've got at least six levee construction contracts that need to be done to raise the levee protection back to where it should be (because of settling). Right now I owe my contractors about $5 million. And we're going to have to pay them interest."

That June, with the 2004 hurricane seasion starting, the Corps' Naomi went before a local agency, the East Jefferson Levee Authority, and essentially begged for $2 million for urgent work that Washington was now unable to pay for. From the June 18, 2004 Times-Picayune:

"The system is in great shape, but the levees are sinking. Everything is sinking, and if we don?t get the money fast enough to raise them, then we can?t stay ahead of the settlement," he said. "The problem that we have isn?t that the levee is low, but that the federal funds have dried up so that we can?t raise them."

The panel authorized that money, and on July 1, 2004, it had to pony up another $250,000 when it learned that stretches of the levee in Metairie had sunk by four feet. The agency had to pay for the work with higher property taxes. The levee board noted in October 2004 that the feds were also now not paying for a hoped-for $15 million project to better shore up the banks of Lake Pontchartrain.

The 2004 hurricane season, as you probably recall, was the worst in decades. In spite of that, the federal government came back this spring with the steepest reduction in hurricane- and flood-control funding for New Orleans in history. Because of the proposed cuts, the Corps office there imposed a hiring freeze. Officials said that money targeted for the SELA project -- $10.4 million, down from $36.5 million -- was not enough to start any new jobs. According to New Orleans CityBusiness this June 5:

http://www.pnionline.com/dnblog/atty...es/002331.html

spunkmaster

They showed a big ass convoy of trucks rolling in about 3 PM today.

The empty trucks were to take people out of the flooded areas from the areas they
made a higher priority to take out.

The police isn't going to arrest people for looting when they don't have anywhere to take them to.

You bring up Bush and funding levies but you don't bring up the fact that
this problem has been an issue for 40 years and nine other Presidents and
now it blame Bush.

Get real man it's a fucking disaster and they were told to leave two days
before the storm hit and most opted to stay and ride it out. The Gov't
staged hundreds of trucks with supplies 300 hundred miles away and they are now
moving in.

Tomorrow and Friday you'll see many military (National Guard) and FEMA people
around that place restoring order. They have priorities in disasters and helping normal healthy people who can walk and get by a few days isn't priority #1 a day after
the disaster hits !

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VeriSexy

Use the logistics of the army and round everyone out to send them to a safe place. I am sure Fema can setup camps pretty fast..... I hear people saying the US army has the logistics to send 100 thousand people acroos the globe in under a week. People even say USA can take on the world in a war....

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Mr. Mojo Risin

Do I need to post more information about how Bush didn't and isn't doing enough and how it relates to spending in Iraq? I suppose no amount of information will convince you staunch Bush supporters based on experience.

bringer

bush still has supporters?

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Mr. Mojo Risin

I blame all people that could have done more, but Bush is the president now, so he is responsible "now'.

spunkmaster

Bush Announces Plan to Increase - Protect U.S. Wetlands

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Restore and create over 1 million wetland acres by 2010
Dateline: 04/26/04

On Earth Day 2004, the USDA released figures showing that, for the first time in modern history, America has reversed the annual net loss of wetlands. The United States was losing almost 500,000 acres of wetlands per year 30 years ago. According to the USDA, that loss is down dramatically and overall, we are nearing the Bush Administration's national goal of "no net loss" of wetlands.

Also on Earth Day, the White House released details of President Bush's new national goal -- moving beyond a policy of "no net loss" of wetlands to have an overall increase of wetlands in America each year.

Highlights of President Bush's wetlands conservation strategy include:

Restore, Improve, and Protect:Through a combined effort, the Departments of the Interior, Agriculture and Transportation, EPA, Army Corps of Engineers, and NOAA will, over the next five years:


Restore and create at least 1 million acres of wetlands;

Improve the quality of at least 1 million acres of wetlands;

Protect at least 1 million acres of wetlands.
The benefits of these outcomes are to be enhanced by further efforts to improve associated uplands and river habitat so that, for example, ducks not only will have the wetland they need for food, but good dry land habitat nearby for nesting.

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bringer

do you also blame the people who were warned and stayed anyways? this wasnt a surprise that caught everyone off guard

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Mr. Mojo Risin

He's lost a lot, but there are some people that will support any Republican president no matter how bad they are and vice versa I guess. You can't debate with these people since they are delusional.

Mr. Mojo Risin

Yep, but a lot of NO population don't even have cars or the means to leave. The city is poor.

bringer

most people are delusional. very few on gfy actually consider facts when forming their opinions and instead focus on the party responsible. anything positive from either side is blasted with negative from the other.

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bringer

excuses are all i hear from people. if you were poor and you're family was endanger, would you just say oh well and hope for the best? you find someone to take you, sell something for a ride and do everything you can to get out

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Mr Pheer

totaly fucking wrong

36 hours after hurricane Andrew demoished florida, I was on a 747 with a few thousand other active duty army troops from ft drum to provide disaster relief. Yes thats right, active duty federal troops deployed in the USA. Clinton did it and so can Bush if he wanted to.

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iwantchixx

the government can only do so much. THink they can pull a magic answer to the problems right out of their asses? Things are in motion. it takes time.

People are suffering, starving and dying of thirst most likely. Of course they are going to loot. They need to survive. Any cop that tries to stop that is a dead cop. Same for any army personel that steps foot there and tries to stop someone from taking food to survive.

Mr. Mojo Risin

It takes time to order the military to the area when are desperately needed? This crisis requires a rapid response, not a slow one. I don't know why you would have to debate whether to send them or not. This is a HUGE disaster and there are people that need help now, not in a few days. There needs to be a "force" that stops the looters at gun point and gets things done fast. The longer the wait, the worse.

Mr. Mojo Risin

Some people 3 days without food and water, wtf.... Enough people are already dead.

spunkmaster

1. It's been known for decades that the New Orleans levees could only survive a catagory 3 hurricane. What did previous Democrat administrations (and and the democrat- controlled Congress) do about it in those decades?

2. Weather experts have been saying since 1996/1997 (during the Clinton Administration) that the North Atlantic/Caribbean has entered a much more active phase (which occurs naturally in cycles, and is expected to last decades)and much more violent hurricanes were predicted throughout the region. Why wasn't it done then. And don't try to tell me that Clinton was proccupied with attacks from the vast right wing conspiricy. GWB has been dealing with attacks from the much-more-evident vast left wing conspiricy since BEFORE DAY ONE.

3. Knowing all this, why did the state and city not do anything?

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Mr. Mojo Risin

I blame everyone that could have done something. I'm blaming Bush for not preventing this too, but mainly for the little too late after it happened.

djscrib

Let's see Scientists have known for a long time...

That a direct hit from a category 5 hurricane would destroy pretty much every city in the US.

That a 8.0 earthquake would decimate pretty much any city in the US.

A mega-tsunami could wipe out the entire east or west coast.

A nuclear bomb detonation wouldn't go over too well.

Volcanos exploding are bad.


etc. etc. etc.

You can't protect against every potential disaster. They're going to happen no matter what. In hindsight focusing money on New Orleans levees would have been a great use of it. But here's what happens. A disaster happens, everyone says we were ill prepared, and then they spend a bunch of money towards preventing it, cutting the budget from other things.

So for example.

The original money for category 5 proofing NO was directed towards early warning tsunami systems after Thailand. Tsunami money before then had been cut to 757-proof highrise buildings. 757 money had previously been diverted towards "trucks full of fertilizer" proofing skyscrapers. Anti-Bomb truck money was diverted towards earthquake proofing double decker freeways, and so on and so on.

The big reaction for NO is going to be tons of money diverted to the levee system which will result in the budget for other projects to be dropped. In 3 years we'll be bitching about the budget cut for something else.

Disasters are going to happen and you can't stop all of them.

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spunkmaster

Ahh fuck Mojo I blame you because I have a 6 inch dick and I don't get
enough blow jobs.

Fucking blame someone for nature?

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fuzzypeach

After 9/11, you would think that the US would be prepp'ed for anything

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Lev

Bush worries too much what happens abroad than on U.S. soil, very very sad

VeriSexy

Send this thing in....



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justfreemovies

whoa long time no talk whats been going on mackman

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spanky part 2

It wouldn't take quit so much time if the National Guard troops were where they are supposed to be, instead of in Iraq. It's called the national guard for a reason.

Shit on 9-11 they had fucking huge cranes at the site within hours, and the national guard there within 24hrs. Then again we weren't fighting a war for oil halfway across the fucking world.

AcidMax

You have to remember there is a ton of water down there, its not like FEMA, Red Cross, Firefighters etc., have easy access to all these people to supply them with what they need. It will take weeks to get to all the people who are stranded in high water areas and to provide them with the assitance they need. They are currently immobilizing 1000 2 man rescue teams from fire departments around the U.S. to go down and help gather up all the people. There is a serious risk to everyone involved and it takes time to get things planned properly and to reduce risk to all involved. The government is doing the best they can with what they have. You are also talking about major damage in 3 states. Not one little town, New Orleans isn't the only one affected by this.

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fuzzypeach

You really think this is all the US has?

The US is capable of doing much much much more than this.

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Sin

I find it very worrisome, the people who are watching the news & believing that's all there is to it, that "help is on the way" and everything's happy go lucky. VERY worrisome.

Look back in fucking history, the US has a long history of providing aid to other situations of crisis, and their response to other countries is often FAR swifter than what is going on in LA right now. This is NOT a good example by any means of what the US is capable of, and its the people who are saying "They're doing what they can" who are in denial & making excuses for the lack of federal organizational skills.

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MacDaddyPlaya

I am fucking ashamed to be an american right now. There is absolutely no excuse for the complete and utter lack of relief in Hurricane devistated areas. Here we are 3 days later and the situation is still worsening. We knew what was coming days before it happened. There was time to begin planning a relief strategy back then, but apparently we still don't have one.

I have never stolen a thing, but you bet your ass if I was down there right now and my kids were crying in hunger from lack of food and water after 3 days of no relief I would be braking into every store possible to care for them.

We claim to be the most advanced/civilized country in the world, yet we have sick, elderly people dying in the streets and being left there to decay. The government should be working on nothing other than helping these people. Whatever the cost, whatever need be done. I read the stories, and watch the video and it sickens me. Our president needs to step the fuck up and be a leader. Just one time.

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xuron

basically the US has had over 30 years to prepare for alternative energy, but when you combine mass dumb people with politicians that do what the dumb people vote for then you have what we have now, stupid...

I was watching CNBC one day where they had 2 people talking about global warming and how it had to do with some business related topic, anyways, one guy said he didn't think money should go into alternative technology just for a couple degrees increase in our temperature.. In one word, ingnorance... I yelled at the tv and that pretty much summed up why we are in any of these situations... most of the intelligent people see these problems a mile away. When people stop watching TV then I think people will start voting/acting smarter.

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OG LennyT

wtf??

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Heywood Jablome

You know, the govt is more than just one person or agency. Do you really think the employees in the department of energy have any authority or influence on the relief efforts?

Of course not, their job and authority is to manage our energy policies, which is what they are doing.

hilly

Where are they going to drop food? Into dirty didease ridden water?

hilly

All Bush can say is we will take care of looters.
So if I was a looter and stole a tv. Thats no good cos there isnt any electricity.