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dij · 08-24-2005, 01:07 AM

and then you stab him, can it be considered as a self defense?

We recently got into a fight with about 5-6 people at the house party, beat the shit out of them.. after some time they came back with more people with bats and bb guns. Some of my friends got hit with the bat in the face and shot a few times with bbgun, nothing serious tho. So I am just wondering, in a fight like that if you pull out a knife and stab one of the attackers can it be considered a self defense?

killerkay · 08-24-2005, 01:08 AM

id think so

AlienQ - BANNED FOR LIFE · 08-24-2005, 01:08 AM

Nice nieghborhood.

Maybe you should just upgrade from Knives to a nice Smith and Wesson 9MM.

dij · 08-24-2005, 01:12 AM

It's actually a really peaceful nieghborhood, and I have little knowledge about law so I need to know more before I get anything.

btw, this is in Canada, so Canadian laws apply

AbulletAway · 08-24-2005, 01:13 AM

Wow. If someone comes at you with a bat and you pull out a gun and shoot them dead you're gonna go to jail. At least in California you will. However, you will more than likely be released with in 48 hours after the DA reviews the case and sees that it was self defense. And, yes. You can use a knife to defend yourself. It doesn't matter if someone has a bat or not. If you are attacked you can defend yourself and if you happen to have a knife and they have a bat oh well. though, personally I would rather have a bat than a knife. But whaterver works for you.

tristan_D · 08-24-2005, 01:16 AM

self defense will only be valid if it would be established that you did not provoke the other person to attack you. well I'm not a lawyer.

Nylz · 08-24-2005, 01:17 AM

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Originally Posted by AlienQ

Nice nieghborhood.

Maybe you should just upgrade from Knives to a nice Smith and Wesson 9MM.

yeah! that's the solution!

dij · 08-24-2005, 01:19 AM

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Originally Posted by tristan_D

self defense will only be valid if it would be established that you did not provoke the other person to attack you. well I'm not a lawyer.

I am also interested what is exactly meant by "provoked".
A few word exchanges, but they threw the first punch, i think would mean they provoked it.

WarChild · 08-24-2005, 01:19 AM

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Originally Posted by Nylz

yeah! that's the solution!

I prefer SIG .40 cal myself.

Jarmusch · 08-24-2005, 01:20 AM

Yes it can be considered self-defense. And when the police arrives you can say "I'm glad I killed the bastard".

baddog · 08-24-2005, 01:22 AM

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Originally Posted by AbulletAwayGoneBad

though, personally I would rather have a bat than a knife. But whaterver works for you.

no doubt . . . . and yeah, self-defense . . . unless . . . you have some weird laws about certain types of knives, and you used one of them.

But the HA did get off for knifing a guy with a gun. It just took time and money.

Jakke PNG · 08-24-2005, 01:23 AM

I think in finland there's a rule for excessive force. Not 100% sure how it goes, but it's something like.. if someone attacks you with bare knuckles, you cannot use any objects to hit him or it could be excessive force.. if someone attacks you with a baseball bat, you can't shoot them etc.. not quite sure how to compare knife and bat lol. I guess every place has it's own set of rules and shit.. up to the judges I'd imagine.

Nylz · 08-24-2005, 01:31 AM

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I prefer SIG .40 cal myself.

reynold · 08-24-2005, 03:55 AM

it's called a homicide but i am not sure.

PixeLs · 08-24-2005, 04:15 AM

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Originally Posted by dij

and then you stab him, can it be considered as a self defense?

We recently got into a fight with about 5-6 people at the house party, beat the shit out of them.. after some time they came back with more people with bats and bb guns. Some of my friends got hit with the bat in the face and shot a few times with bbgun, nothing serious tho. So I am just wondering, in a fight like that if you pull out a knife and stab one of the attackers can it be considered a self defense?

yes, and you can counter charge them with trespassing, serious physical injury, and attempted murder.

Mr-No · 08-24-2005, 04:49 AM

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Originally Posted by dij

and then you stab him, can it be considered as a self defense?

We recently got into a fight with about 5-6 people at the house party, beat the shit out of them.. after some time they came back with more people with bats and bb guns. Some of my friends got hit with the bat in the face and shot a few times with bbgun, nothing serious tho. So I am just wondering, in a fight like that if you pull out a knife and stab one of the attackers can it be considered a self defense?

Well, depends...
If that happened in your house, or house of some of your friends, then, yes.
Otherwise, if Canadian laws are at least a little similar to continental EU laws, then it isn't so easy to give answer.
Did you verbally provoke attack or not that doesn't matter at all, because if you verbally provoke somebody he can simply go away... There is no self defense in case of verbal attack (maybe some other things as "affect").
If you attacked first, then everything about self defense can be used on your opponent.
In accident which you describe, your opponents don't have self defense case, because they already had possibility to evade (I mean after first fight they get away form that house, maybe affect). When they return to the house with bats they are becoming attackers. So:
First, did you have possibility to run? I mean, you were been in corner with no way to escape? Threat was been so serious that you was been afraid for your life (e.g. 5 years old kid with bat isn't serious threat to adult), or life your close relatives?

dij · 08-24-2005, 01:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Mr-No

Well, depends...
If that happened in your house, or house of some of your friends, then, yes.
Otherwise, if Canadian laws are at least a little similar to continental EU laws, then it isn't so easy to give answer.
Did you verbally provoke attack or not that doesn't matter at all, because if you verbally provoke somebody he can simply go away... There is no self defense in case of verbal attack (maybe some other things as "affect").
If you attacked first, then everything about self defense can be used on your opponent.
In accident which you describe, your opponents don't have self defense case, because they already had possibility to evade (I mean after first fight they get away form that house, maybe affect). When they return to the house with bats they are becoming attackers. So:
First, did you have possibility to run? I mean, you were been in corner with no way to escape? Threat was been so serious that you was been afraid for your life (e.g. 5 years old kid with bat isn't serious threat to adult), or life your close relatives?

I see what you mean.
Well, it was difficult evade the attack as it came from the backyard and there was a possibility to run into the house but I don't think it would help. Threat was serious, and I was afraid for the lives of my friends.

I understand that there isn't a straight yes or no answer, but this gave me a better understanding of what self defense is.
Thanks

WarChild · 08-24-2005, 01:39 PM

If people come to a party looking for a fight and get one, I'd say that's more of a mutual combat situation than self defense. You can't lose a fight and claim assault if you were a willing participant.

Funny story, many, many years ago I got in to it with somebody in traffic. They got out of their car, called me out of mine, got hit a few times and tried to press assault charges. Luckily there were a ton of witnesses and the cops called it Mutual Combat and just moved on.

LittleSassy · 08-24-2005, 01:39 PM

think so....

friendly neighborhood i guess...x

EroticySteve · 08-24-2005, 01:39 PM

Ron Burgundy: Boy, that escalated quickly... I mean, that really got out of hand fast!
Champ Kind: It jumped up a notch!
Ron Burgundy: It did, didn't it?
Brick Tamland: Yeah, I stabbed a man in the heart!
Ron Burgundy: I saw that! Brick killed a guy! Did you throw a trident?
Brick Tamland: Yeah, there were horses, and a man on fire, and I killed a guy with a trident!
Ron Burgundy: Brick, I've been meaning to talk to you about that. You should find yourself a safehouse or a relative close by. Lay low for a while, because you're probably wanted for murder.

StuartD · 08-24-2005, 01:40 PM

Sounds like:

Scott McD · 08-24-2005, 01:41 PM

When's the next house party ??

SetTheWorldonFire · 08-24-2005, 01:43 PM

Where I grew up, we went to jail. Self defense, haha

It's called a gang related crimes

xNetworx · 08-24-2005, 01:48 PM

If somebody even swings a bat at your head, you can blow their fucking head off. In Arizona at least

Deej · 08-24-2005, 01:54 PM

Gettem pony boy, gettem for soda pop!

DarkJedi · 08-24-2005, 01:54 PM

If i hit you in the face with a baseball bat, the best case scenario is that you'd be on your way to an emergency room, much less be able to pull a knife.

cool1 · 08-24-2005, 03:21 PM

You would get arrested and it would be up to the Crown to decide if it was self defense or not.
So you would sit in remand for awhile, either way.

Downtime · 08-24-2005, 03:23 PM

sounds like a fun party, and yes that would be self-defense

je_rome · 08-24-2005, 05:28 PM

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well I guess this is the answer

kektex · 08-24-2005, 05:31 PM

Dunno but I think you would have to take a bat to the face first and THEN stab him...how are you gonna prove he was going to hit you?

StatsJunky · 08-24-2005, 05:34 PM

Im pretty sure they judge it by the threat.

So if a 220 pound guy is attacking someone thats 150 pounds then they smaller guy would probably get off stabbing or hitting the guy with a bat. Since there is a limited chance that he could he defend himself with only his hands.

seeric · 08-24-2005, 05:37 PM

what kind of adult carries around a BB gun? damn, thats a little juvenile. real guns must be a little much for them, little do they know that the law still considers a BB gun a firearm.

sfera · 08-24-2005, 06:04 PM

it is assualt with a deadly weapon. An expample: my friend who has a black belt in TeaKwonDo fucked up 6 people with bats who wanted to beat him up for no reason. His martial arts skills were considered deadly weapons. He got 6 weeks in jail. Now that is fucked up.

HorseShit · 08-24-2005, 06:23 PM

i love guns

sicone · 08-24-2005, 06:25 PM

BB Guns?

Forgive me for just a moment....

and now on to the question, yes it is self defense, however the friend may still be charged with carrying the knife?

reed_4 · 08-24-2005, 06:47 PM

i really hate violent neighbours 'coz they really cause alot of trouble.

throwdown · 08-24-2005, 07:06 PM

pull out the 9

load up the clip

and let one slip

into those crazy fools

tony286 · 08-24-2005, 07:09 PM

the best thing to do is not let it get to that point .

PixeLs · 08-24-2005, 10:35 PM

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Originally Posted by sfera

it is assualt with a deadly weapon. An expample: my friend who has a black belt in TeaKwonDo fucked up 6 people with bats who wanted to beat him up for no reason. His martial arts skills were considered deadly weapons. He got 6 weeks in jail. Now that is fucked up.

I din't know being able to protect yourself can be charged against you.

PrintAdult · 08-24-2005, 11:32 PM

Fuck that, I would just get in their face and see what they are made of. As JAY Z said, " Don't Flash The Steel, Blast For Real!"

PrintAdult-Sales · 08-25-2005, 07:57 AM

First I have to know what started the fight in the first place?

CherryLipsRosa · 08-25-2005, 10:39 AM

I think it is considered as self-defense. Then again if you guys started the entire fight then you might not be fully exempted.

MetaMan · 08-25-2005, 10:42 AM

i dont care about the law, someone comes at me unprovoked i am going to do whatever i can to demobalize them, whatever i have on hand gun/knife/bat, they come at me i will try to take them down the fastest way possible.

i value my life more on what people "might or might not do with a bat" than jailtime.

Babagirls · 08-25-2005, 10:47 AM

technically, ya. but since its a bunch of people scrappin with each other, it'll most likely be called a homicide or murder.

if you were in a grocery store & some dude put a gun to your head & your shot him first, then THATS self defense (and probably have witnesses to that). but you can never be sure who hit who, who shot/stabbed who, in a big all-out brawl. be careful.

Jimbo · 08-25-2005, 11:37 AM

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Originally Posted by kektex

Dunno but I think you would have to take a bat to the face first and THEN stab him...how are you gonna prove he was going to hit you?

it's called witnesses batman

beemk · 08-25-2005, 11:43 AM

dont ask gfy, ask a lawyer. we know porn sites not the law.

knought · 08-30-2005, 02:21 AM

What's the reason why you got into that fight?
But I think that would be a plain self defense...

Hardlinks · 08-30-2005, 02:40 AM

Your friend would go to jail in Canada according to the details and scenario you described above. You stated yourself you kicked the shit out of them, you would have to prove they were a continued threat to someones life to get away with stabbing since you clearly overpowered them and instigated the initial conflict.

Sounds like you guys all need time anyways, fuckin punks tossin up people homes and fighting en masse.

08-24-2005, 01:07 AM	#1
dij Confirmed User Join Date: May 2003 Posts: 2,163	If someone hits you in the face with a bat... and then you stab him, can it be considered as a self defense? We recently got into a fight with about 5-6 people at the house party, beat the shit out of them.. after some time they came back with more people with bats and bb guns. Some of my friends got hit with the bat in the face and shot a few times with bbgun, nothing serious tho. So I am just wondering, in a fight like that if you pull out a knife and stab one of the attackers can it be considered a self defense?

08-24-2005, 01:08 AM	#2
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08-24-2005, 01:13 AM	#5
AbulletAway Confirmed User Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Hesperia, CA Posts: 760	Wow. If someone comes at you with a bat and you pull out a gun and shoot them dead you're gonna go to jail. At least in California you will. However, you will more than likely be released with in 48 hours after the DA reviews the case and sees that it was self defense. And, yes. You can use a knife to defend yourself. It doesn't matter if someone has a bat or not. If you are attacked you can defend yourself and if you happen to have a knife and they have a bat oh well. though, personally I would rather have a bat than a knife. But whaterver works for you. __________________ 11 MODEL SITES \| NOW WITH PPS Sign up now or your dog will die.

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dij Confirmed User Join Date: May 2003 Posts: 2,163	It's actually a really peaceful nieghborhood, and I have little knowledge about law so I need to know more before I get anything. btw, this is in Canada, so Canadian laws apply

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Jarmusch Industry Role: Join Date: May 2003 Posts: 12,464	Yes it can be considered self-defense. And when the police arrives you can say "I'm glad I killed the bastard".

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Jakke PNG ex-TeenGodFather Industry Role: Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Suomi Finland Perkele Posts: 20,306	I think in finland there's a rule for excessive force. Not 100% sure how it goes, but it's something like.. if someone attacks you with bare knuckles, you cannot use any objects to hit him or it could be excessive force.. if someone attacks you with a baseball bat, you can't shoot them etc.. not quite sure how to compare knife and bat lol. I guess every place has it's own set of rules and shit.. up to the judges I'd imagine. __________________ ..and I'm off.

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WarChild Let slip the dogs of war. Industry Role: Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Bermuda Posts: 17,263	If people come to a party looking for a fight and get one, I'd say that's more of a mutual combat situation than self defense. You can't lose a fight and claim assault if you were a willing participant. Funny story, many, many years ago I got in to it with somebody in traffic. They got out of their car, called me out of mine, got hit a few times and tried to press assault charges. Luckily there were a ton of witnesses and the cops called it Mutual Combat and just moved on. __________________ .

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seeric .......... Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: .......... Posts: 41,917	what kind of adult carries around a BB gun? damn, thats a little juvenile. real guns must be a little much for them, little do they know that the law still considers a BB gun a firearm.

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sfera Confirmed User Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: ICQ: 248877409 Posts: 8,597	it is assualt with a deadly weapon. An expample: my friend who has a black belt in TeaKwonDo fucked up 6 people with bats who wanted to beat him up for no reason. His martial arts skills were considered deadly weapons. He got 6 weeks in jail. Now that is fucked up.

08-24-2005, 06:23 PM	#34
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sicone Retired Industry Role: Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Sac Posts: 18,453	BB Guns? Forgive me for just a moment.... and now on to the question, yes it is self defense, however the friend may still be charged with carrying the knife? __________________

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throwdown So Fucking Banned Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: dirty south Posts: 997	pull out the 9 load up the clip and let one slip into those crazy fools

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08-25-2005, 10:39 AM	#42
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08-25-2005, 10:47 AM	#44
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