50........... :)

would YOU make a profit at this volume and $10k? Answer honestly pls.

10K to have a file float around on P2P network for a month? WOW :1orglaugh


i'm definitely in the wrong business.

Pirate mode disabled.

Yes, not to mention it's ridiculously overpriced to begin with. I've been doing this for years, and know exactly what they are doing. This is almost shameful, and I think will be the biggest drama of the century for anyone crazy enough to do it. :disgust

I think it may be time for another "Useful post from a goofy pirate" :mad:

Pirate mode re-enabled.

is this the next big wave?

Honestly.

I have to look into specifics into the operation setup n specifics. But profit would be made. Now I aint saying that you will make the profit in short time span , over long term yes you will recoup initial investment and gain profit.

Dh seems to have a nice sytem that will basically do all the work for ya.....
Now we get into profit part..... a few factors....

-Sponsor used and such and so on.
-How broad and how many d/l's you will get and files being spread abroad and so on....


-Remeber doing this by yourself , there are costs IE: Drm licenses , Servers , Time Factor and so on...

Summary Yes I do believe with 10k initial investment for someone who doesnt know the p2p game and wants a basic " guys here is payment do it for me" i think it will be profitable... Now dont get me wrong thinking that youll be a millionaire fast from this but if done right either with 3rd party or yourself it is juicy.

Shit was that a serious post i made? Damn memories of GFY circa 2001 hehehe

Been around for awhile , most people doing it have kept it on the hush hush

Interesting :bigears

so what makes it so costly?

surely it costs like 2k for p2pads to setup and run everything on their end

why dont people just it themselves and save 90% of their money....

houdini - you misread the traffic flow....you get the full 40 days...and remember every person that downloads the file with your banner is a potential upload to someone else....the traffic won't drop to 0 on day 41 - your banner/link will be out there for years....

DRM Licensing , Servers , Labor and so on....

Thing is you wouldnt make a profit and i'm almost sure about it. I wouldn't comment on a traffic source i'm not familiar,but I wouldn't make post either here if i didn't read this:

" plus you would continue to make money forever as those movies would be out there on the networks forever. If you looked back at your stats a year later it might be more like $20,0000-30,0000+ for a 10k investment "

The spreading factor is nothing close to what implied. If you dont make your money back from the first month do not count a lot on the rest.

I want to impregnate you!

My boys can swim!

:2 cents:

From our experience as soon as you take down the servers seeding this P2P ad traffic, your residual P2P traffic falls off a cliff. Unless your content is the next Paris Hilton video, no one's going to keep/share it and once the seed is gone the traffic dries up real fast.

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Yep, that's EXACTLY right. People have been doing this for years with their own systems in place...but they usually kept it very quiet. This is not something new at all.

Anyone who been p2p'ing over the past few years would have noticed this type of 'business model' and adapted/perfected it on their end. There is so much more in p2p that's possible.

DH is offering a systems that does it for you. I'm sure the big boys already have their systems in place, but it's good for the people who simply want to try it out. I think the price is to much though.

Most Interesting thread Ive read this month on here.
10K seems like a big ask. Some pepole think spending 3k on gallery spots is crazy but its allways booked out. I normaly happy to make my money back and then have the recurring for profit.

10k seems insane.

great idea though.

All those backing this up ask yourself this, if it is soooooooo easy to make more than $10,000 in 40 days or even a bit longer would anybody sell this service for $10,000? If this was anywhere near as profitable as it's made out to be it would never be offered on the market.

My boyfriend was downloading a boxing clip of some dude named Silva or something like that just right now from Limewire and when he clicked the movie it was some porn flick with pop ups to an adult action cash site I think and a bunch ofther sites.

He showed it to me so I don't wonder why there's porn on his pc. And he asked me wtf that was... Not saying that's what DrinkingModerately is doing, but whoever is doing that, it's not real targeted traffic I don't think. They would get sales but a very bad ratio.

Anyways, that just happened 5 minutes ago and I thought it was odd cuz I saw this thread earlier. He was downloading Wonder Lei Silva boxing fight.

Also it is a total coincidence because my bf does not know of this thread, he was downloading the fight because his brother told him to, and I swear there was this porn vid and all these pop ups for Adult Action Cash.... kinda funny and a coincidence at the same time... It might have even been your clip Drinking! lol

Impressive stuff, too much for me tho.

Goodluck with it :)

Only if every month is 41 days.

Hehe it wasn't us we don't target those kind of keywords for adult content. :)

DH

kind of like gallery/banner spot brokers ? http://sexy-celebs.net/hotlink/rolleyes.gif

moron.

Yes you would and we have several large adult players that have purchased packages all ready. :)

DH

Let me ask you a question...

Why would I take a chance converting the traffic when I can just sell it for a decent price? It's really the same thing we do with GTS :)

DH

Apparently you should try it :)

DH

Hmmm well why don't you go buy 50+ Servers on premium bandwidth and then talk to me about costs. Our bandwidth bills are INSANE!!!

I wish the cost was only 10% LMAO!!

Plus do you have any idea how long it takes to get a customer's files implemented? Jeez you must think we're miracle workers ;)

DH

This interests me a lot. Especially with what I have coming out VERY soon.

Yes I honestly believe it is. :)

DH

Sometimes I think you are, they way you push out these new programmes and companies :thumbsup

Thanks for the info DrinkingHard, very very interesting stuff!

Jack Daniels helps me out alot ;)

DH

do you mind to comment on the spreading factor of the files and point the difference between Morpheus, Imesh n' Limewire as mentioned at your site?

looks interesting DH, I did try this file sharing thingy a few years ago and it worked moderately, but who knows it might work good now and with right software :thumbsup

Nope, nothing like gallery / banner spot brokers you ignorant piece of shit with a big fucking mouth. Galleries cost money and a shitload of time to make. TGP's need galleries to work but don't want to have hundreds of galleries a day made and keep up with all of the shit that goes along with it including enough servers to fill my house.

Their p2p system is already in place. They have very little work to do to add another sponsor and get bigger and bigger with their promotions. It would benefit them fucking 0 to make $10,000 on something that would make them more money in the long run with very little work.

Stick your cocky ass attitude up your ass, you play yourself off as this sheep hearding pro when you're a fucking gallery submitter who's rich because you live in a shithole country where $500 will buy a nice house. :321GFY

Actually ChadgIni, the implementation of files is very time consuming and it's not like we just throw the files up on 100 servers and we start getting traffic. It's way more involved than that, hence the reason we need the 10 day ramp up time in traffic.

Keep in mind also that those dozens of servers have a monthly bill and it's not a small figure :(

DH

I'll respond to you but I don't want to keep discussing this in your thread looking for business. I'm sure there are many big players interested in your service because they are paying for more than just immediate sales. Not only do they keep 100% of profits if they own the program, they also benefit from branding, type-ins, return visitors, etc. etc. etc.

I was more addressing the idea that a normal affiliate would easily make a profit on this a a flat PPS or % deal.

I know what you do with GTS but this is not even close to being the same. Unless you had thousands of galleries readily available you couldn't fill all of the orders with your own stuff. Even if you could the logistics would be a nightmare. I really doubt that you adding your own files linking to a sponsors tour would be nearly as risky as trying to purchase every paid gallery spot in existense for your own galleries.

I responded to this in my last reply. I understand it's not just drop and go but it would take you the same amount of time to run one for a buyer as it would your own. Like I said I think your service is useful for the right people, just not the standard affiliate making $40 per sale or 60% revshare.

I started messing around with P2P back in 1997 with IRC, and I started to use P2P as a marketing tool in 1999. As a P2P pro I can tell you that anyone can make a great deal of sales on P2P without the help of servers. If you have basic knowledge on how P2P works you will have no problem spreading your files around like a wild fire. Now if you had a nice international cluster of servers your files will spread around a lot faster, but not fast enough to give anyone 10k or more for.

I own 221 servers 50 of witch are international. Maybe I should start a P2P Ad company as well, but charge people 70% less than what P2PAds charges. :thumbsup

done, thanks :)

I would consider buying this traffic if I were actually sold traffic. As it stands, one pays $10,000 for a service with no guarantee of performace or delivered traffic or anything - basically you pay 10 grand for having a file on some servers - and this is not worth 10 grand. "Gimme 10 grand and i'll send you some traffic" is just not a strong proposition - how much traffic? whats it worth? how does it convert? etc...

In the test stats the conversion was about 1:3000 on 900k uniques (rough numbers). Sooooo... at $30 PPS thats a $0.01 CPC. If I were to actually buy sign-ups or clicks for 10 grand (333 sign-ups or 1M clicks) then it would be worth considering. To just sell me a $10,000 service makes it not a prudent investment in traffic nor does it offer a sense of confidence in the quality of the traffic.

I believe there is value in P2P traffic and kudos to GTS for investing the time and money to get this thing off the ground. At this point I believe that the value-proposition is missing for the payer-of-10-grand.

The fact you don't realize that Napster is a legit copany now and no longer is a P2P site makes me question you.

hey and when you do hit up my icq. :thumbsup

I am willing to bet that you are not able to get the eyballs to your files like these guys can, and I am also willing to bet you have no system of Geo Tracking or Popping an IE window off the file!
Correct me if I am wrong. I can assure you that DrinkingHard or Moderately or Light (hehe) can tell you that I know a little bit about these p2p networks.

Good work guys

maybe you can reply on what DH ignores then:


do you mind to comment on the spreading factor of the files and point the difference between Morpheus, Imesh n' Limewire as mentioned at p2pads site?

I think some people are under the impression that this can be done with a few cable/dsl boxes in the home. Which makes me understand why many of you think we are charging too much money. I agree that a few cable/dsl boxes running p2p for 10k monthly WOULD be a rip-off.

That is simply not how we operate.

We are currently running multiple gigabits of traffic with these p2p servers, which is why our traffic levels (and prices) are so high. I think the people who are claiming we are scamming are waaaaaay off the mark. I challenge ANYONE to try our system before claiming we are ripping people off.

p2pads is here to stay, our DRM and distribution system is unique and delivers results to our clients.

From the looks of this thread I can see that many people who were doing this on a small scale are pissed off to see us doing this on a much larger scale and selling the result to people who don't want to invest thousands of man hours and countless dollars into servers, custom software and trial and error.

The difference between p2p apps is simple. Some access one network ie: kazaa=fasttrack and limewire=gnutella.

Additionally there are p2p apps ie: Morpheus and Shareazaa which access more than one network.

I can't comment on the spreading factor of the files because I am not sure what you mean exactly. Feel free to ask in more detail and I will do my best to attack the question for you ;)