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WarChild

Three of the most gentle dogs you'll ever meet. The big Male on the right is 145 pounds and the most gentle dog I've ever had. I've had shelties, labs, retrievers and he's the most gentle of any of them. He was rasied with a baby around and would never hurt any person, period.

No he's not going to suddenly snap one day. Even suggesting that is fucking stupid.

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NoCarrier

You lied you stupid bitch.

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WarChild

That is all I had to say, to you. Your stupidity constantly amazes me. Someone should slap your mother for having you.

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mrthumbs

St bernards?

chazer

nice looking dogs there warchild, almost got a rottie, always wanted one when I was little. Ended up getting a couple Boxers instead... but they are beatiful dogs.

WarChild

I "rescue" Rottweilers. Basically, I give homes to dogs that don't have homes. The exception is my Male who I bought in Costa Rica. They're a special breed in that they realli need attention and to be part of the family. Don't buy a Rottweiler and leave him in the back yard. He won't be happy. As with most breeds, a chained Rottweiler is a mean one.

My dogs look rough when they play with each other, but they're very gentle with people. Two of them were raised with my servants' in Costa Rica's baby around all the time. The big dog is trained to lay on his back so he doesnt knock the child over and just take whatever he's given. It's kinda cute.

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EroticySteve

I'm a dog owner and I've been around dogs most of my life. Anyone that loves their pet is going to defend it til it's death and even afterwards they will defend it. Hey I'd do the same thing, nothing wrong with that.

I've had plenty of friends who've had what would be considered dangerous breeds. Pits, Rots and Dobes. I can tell you stories about each one of these and to say that if you're a good pet owner it shouldn't happen is false and dangerous.

I'll share with you a story about a friend's Rotweiler. We were at a gathering. It was a cool evening, we were loading a car off of the trailer. His dog was in the back of his truck. This Rotweiler was the most gentle dog and in six years never had an incident. Well, as we were unloading the car from the trailer the dog jumped through the rear window and would have mauled a complete stranger had the dog's owner not been able to wrestle it to the ground and subdue him. He got a good piece of pants and destroyed the guy's shirt. The bite wasn't bad and the guy chalked it up to shit happening.

Another friend had a Pit since it was a baby. The dog was your average happy playful, never violent Pit. The owner swore by the fact that people are wrong about Pits. He defended his dog and other pits as dogs only being as good as their owners. The dog got loose and started attacking another dog. When the owner of the other dog tried to breakt it up. The Pit attacked him.

I'm pretty sure that there is somethign a bit different about some of these breeds.

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HammerALL

Thats amazing - I want to get another few myself - I wouldn't have any other breed now. Their history is fascinating and their character is undeniable.

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EroticySteve

St. Bernards are known to cause DUI's. They carry a little barrel of potent alcohol on their collars. People have been known to drink these mini barrels and drive drunk.

Dangerous dogs those St. Bernards are.

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WarChild

Sure, but what you're describing can and does happen in all breeds of dogs. I've been charged down by angry mini pinchers. Pounced on by toy poodles and bitten by Jack Russel's. It wasn't a big deal because I just kicked the little fucker away, and in the case of the bite it barely hurt and didnt break skin. The difference is in what the dog is capable of doing.

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WarChild

People get in car accidents all the time. If you hit something at a given speed in an Austin Mini it will do a LOT less damage than hitting the same thing at the same given speed in a fully loaded Escalade. Is the Escalade really that much more likely to get in an accident just because if it does it can do more damage?

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NoCarrier

You mentionned "on the matter". Stop being a fucktard, you can't escape the fact you got owned.

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NoCarrier

Re-read again, and slap yourself in the face for being such a dumbass.

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WarChild

The CDC data is interesting but also somewhat misleading. It doesn't show dog attacks by breed as percentage of the total population.

Of course "Pittbull" is listed as number one. Nine out of ten people can't identify an actualy Pittbull. The category represents some dozen or more different breeds of powerful dogs. Cumatively, of COURSE they do the most damage.

Veterinarians almost universally agree that no single factor leads to dog attacks and making it as simple as picking on certain breeds is just ridiculous. You'd think they'd know a thing or two about animals.

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WarChild

On the matter quoted directly to you. You keep replying to me specifically so I have to keep answering you. People like you down own anybody, get serious.

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EroticySteve

Warchild. I'm not saying that you're a bad person or that your dogs WILL lash out at someone, though I've seen it many times by dogs that can be described the same way as yours. It's possible.

Exactly, if a poodle spazzes out you can kick it away with little drama. However, the point is that most people are defenseless if/when a large breed dog does do this. That is part of the point I think.

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WarChild

Of course it's possible, anything is. And yes that is the point, that it's the capablity of the dog to damage, not the perpensity.

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NoCarrier

Down own what? Damn. I don't even need to say something, you own yourself.

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WarChild

Yes you got me on a typo. You're certainly winning now.

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WarChild

Let me put it in perspective another way.

Each year about 20 people are killed in the United States as the result of a dog attack.
Each year about 85 people are killed in the United States as the result of a lightning strike.

Mother nature is 4 times more likely to kill you than my Rottweiler is.

Oh you terrible Rottweiler owners are doing so much damage!

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WarChild

Maybe No Carrier just has a "feeling" about this. Those seem to be pretty accurate.

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HammerALL

But Steve - the point is - is it that fair? - no - because there are going to be bad dogs of any breeds - but the fact remains that Rottweilers and other large dog breeds get a bum rap because they are large - if a standard poodle (which by AKC standards is actually a 60lbs dog not the toy poodle that many people confuse it with) was actually a carriage guard dog and can cause a considerable bit of damage to a human but they are not demonized in the media. This argument carries on to people as well - Many articles have been written about veterans of war who could not re- adapt to society - or Football players (of which I played the sport for 15 years of my life) who are much more violent individuals. These are all stereotypes that are propagated by the media. Again - all I can say is don't let your mind be swayed by jaded media statistics and narrow minded individuals with agendas.

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Doctor Dre

Rotts are for experienced owners only ... you gotta train them well ... because a bite of it on a child can kill .

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WarChild

Experienced owners, or owners willing to work with a professional and aquire the knowledge they will need.

Basically, Rottweilers are only for very responsible people.

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NoCarrier

Now you are just pathetic.

Dog bites and attacks can leave scars you know (emotional and physical ones), especially to young kids. I understand that you own Rottweilers and that you are blinded by that "love". That doesn't mean they are less dangerous. Stats do not lie (Not just the fatal attacks).

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chazer

so can car accidents dipshit.

WarChild

No, statistics are never left incomplete or twisted to support a certain point of view. I mean, of course not.

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Audrey

My family bought one when I was a kid. It was a baby female. The neighboor bought her little sister.

Ours was a very nice dog, until one day my little brother was teasing the dog while she was eating. She jumped at his face, it was close to the eye, he was lucky. My step-father shot it the next day.

The neighboor never had any problems with his. He has a young kid who is frankly evil, always annoying the dog. Well she never did a thing and I thing they have been with it for more than 5-6 years now.

So it depends... you can get a rotten apple. I really wouldn't buy it if I had a kid... wouldnt take a chance

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WarChild

Even though apparently the CDC list of what they consider to be dangerous is the gospel according to No Carrier, let's examine what other people, experts in animals, think.

The Humane Society Of The United States: http://www.hsus.org/pets/issues_affe...rous_dogs.html

It is imperative that the dog population in the community be understood. To simply pull numbers of attacks does not give an accurate representation of a breed necessarily. For example, by reviewing a study that states there have been five attacks by golden retrievers in a community and 10 attacks by pit bulls in that same community it would appear that pit bulls are more dangerous. However, if you look at the dog populations in that community and learn that there are 50 golden retrievers present and 500 pit bulls, then the pit bulls are actually the safer breed statistically.


Is that exactly what I was trying to explain with percentage of population above?


The main conclusion of the study was that breed-specific legislation doesn't work for several reasons: that there are inherent problems in trying to determine a dog's breed, making enforcement of breed-specific legislation difficult at best; that fatal attacks represent a very small portion of bite-related injuries and should not be the major factor driving public policy; and that existing non-breed-specific legislation already exists and offers promise for the prevention of dog bites.

Oh what's this? People often can't identify dog breeds properly? Amazing!

Two decades ago, pit bulls and Rottweilers (the most recent breeds targeted) attracted little to no public concern. At that time it was the Doberman pinscher who was being vilified. In 2001, few people had heard of the Presa Canario breed, involved in the tragic, fatal attack on Diane Whipple in California in January of that year. Now that breed is being sought by individuals who desire the new "killer dog." Unfortunately, the "problem dog" at any given time is often the most popular breed among individuals who tend to be irresponsible, if not abusive, in the control and keeping of their pets. Simply put, if you ban one breed, individuals will just move on to another one. Banning a breed only speeds up the timetable.


So let's see. Vets, Rottweiler owners and the Humane Society says one thing, and No Carrier another. I know who'd I'd trust first.

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NoCarrier

Cars do not suddenly decide to attack kids.

nigga, please.

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WarChild

Okay, but if you can't trust that I'll control my dogs, how can I trust that you won't get drunk and crash your car? Statistically, it's much more likely to happen than my dog killing you. Can you please get rid of your car please, it's a danger to me.

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NoCarrier

Yeah, the CDC are dumbasses. You should give them a call.

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NoCarrier

We are using stats from the dog bites and attacks. You can't use other stats to prove a point. Sorry. You lose.

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chazer

some people driving them do. i remember a story a few weeks back where this guy intentionally hit a ten year old riding his bike.

NoCarrier

Exactly, PEOPLE driving them.

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WarChild

Listen, you just keep touting the same numbers over and over. It's one set of statistics, and it's incomplete. Please look at the humane website I posted and it will give you a better understanding of why breed attack statistics are not a complete picture at all.

Dog breed is only one factor, and a small one at that, in dog attacks. I know this because I'm very much interested in dogs, pack mentality and control.

I'm well educated about why dogs behave the way they do. There's specific "drives" in every dog, regardless of breed. Any breed, for instance, will have a prey drive. Some larger than others but they all have it. You see this in poodle chasing a tennis ball. A Rottweiler chasing a screaming child is the exact same drive, but with a much different result obviously. I'm going to go out on a limb here and say you're not as well educated in this matter, and it shows.

If you want to have a serious discussion about this and are prepared to do a little reading, let me know. If you want to keep spouting off the CDC statistics without really understanding what you're talking about, then I guess we're through.

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WarChild

Interestingly enough, this is what No Carrier is interpreting from the CDC statistics. He's not pointing to a bulletin where the CDC (Center for DISEASE control) comes out and says "Rottweilers are dangerous dogs", he's making the leap to that conclusion all by himself.

On the other side of the coin, let me quote directly from the American Humane Society again:

"While breed is one factor that contributes to a dog's temperament, it alone cannot be used to predict whether a dog may pose a danger to his or her community".
http://www.hsus.org/pets/issues_affe...rous_dogs.html

So unless it's your contention, No Carrier, that you understand animal behaviors better than the Humane Society: Game, set, match.

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NoCarrier

Look, go take care of your Rottweilers, I am happy to know they have an owner who can take care of them and love them. But the fact that you own 3 rottweilers, is a biased opinion.

Everyday, we hear stories like EroticySteve mentionned. Sure, you will dismiss them.

The stats show that it's riskier to own a Rottweiler. This is not a dog for kids. To answer the initial poster. No, don't get that dog.

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justsexxx

Well those dogs can be great of course. The problem is, WHEN they bite, you have a big mess...With smaller dogs, or dogs who are not as strong, you will have less damage.

And they don't have to bite, because they are bad dogs. But a lot of older dogs that turn aggresive, have cancer in their head. And because of the pain, these dogs go crazy....

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SplitLZ

I have had 4 Rottweiler they all have been friendly. Now I have a 6 year old son and for the last 3 years its been my sons best friend.If the dog your gonna get has not been around kid's, don't get it.Get a puppy.

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cyberpunk

Get a fucking clue. Any dog can bite. Dog's don jsut 'turn' on people. Rotties bit far fewer people then most dogs. The issues was the neighbors dogs where allowed to run loose or you kids bothered the dogs

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NoCarrier

I never let them outside in the backyard. EVER. My daughter is 5 and my boy was 1 year old when we moved. That fucking dog was angrily barking at everything from flies to people walking 2 miles from that fucking house. Fuck those dogs.

Everytime I went outside it tried to jump over the fence. If I had a gun and it was legal to kill dogs, I'd enjoyed a nice Rottweiler steak.

But hey, I guess there's something positive about everything. I bought a new house and this time, no fucking dogs around and a bigger backyard for my kids.

And you get a fucking clue, re-read this thread and you will learn that rottweilers are dangerous dogs.

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WarChild

No. If you read the thread, and I mean all of the thread, you'd see that you contend Rottweilers are dangerous dogs, but can't back it up. You're neither an experience owner of these dogs, a professional that deals with Animals, or educated about the subject in any other way. It's only an emotional thing, you already admitted one was able to scare you in to a state of terror. So much so, you had to move. Funny you should say I am Bias.

All you have to back up your claim is statistics you're taking out of context and don't even really understand.

Did you notice that mixed breed dogs are "more dangerous" that Rottweilers if you go strictly on those statistics. Do you think you can figure out why? Because mixed breeds as an entire group make up a large percentage of the overall population. Same thing for "Pittbulls". A group containing more than a dozen dogs, by the average citizen's mind.

If you were to destroy every pittbull and every Rottweiler, do you think the number of dog attacks would go drastically down? By the percentage they're responsible for acording to your statistics? Of course not. Something else woudl take their place.

You have an irrational fear of big dogs, especially Rottweilers. Even though your statistically more than 4 times more likely to be killed by Lightning than all breeds of dogs combined.

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TetsuoIronMan

Terriers lead that list and it isnt strange considering their unpredictable temperament.

Rottweilers on the other hand are generally very calm and loyal dogs. You can train them into family dogs and guard dogs at the same time. They are very friendly and can actually turn out good even in inexperienced hands which isnt true for many breeds.

Anyway any dog can be a killer or a harmless family pet. In 99% of all cases its the owners doing. Like master like dog.

Problem is a lot of clowns get a rottweiler/dobermann just to look cool.

TreasureBucks

I found my rotty as a pup.... someone had dropped him off, becuase he had mange really bad. I heard barking outside my window, and he was sittin right there looking at me, as if he was waiting for me to come to the window.

I took him to the vet and he was a turned into a good looking rotty. Very strong and healthy.

First there was the black ice road accident, him and I were involved in, he was still a pup, and we had to abandon the vehicle.... he followed me home 2 miles down a pitch black curvy country road. He survived the impact of the truck hitting the tree.

Then one day..... PARVO.
Spent a few days in the vet, and survived.

Next came the Dump Truck.....Smack....
He came back into the garage and crawled under a bench and did not want to be fucked with. Vet wanted to put him to sleep, i told him, fuck you....I had to crawl under there and get him out, I was the only one he would allow to. Hip had some pins put in it, and survived.


Next came the barbed wire - penis slash incident. That looked the most painful of all but, he was trooper and made it through it....

My dog was not raised to be aggressive and loved attention, especially kids....

but he also had an amazing instinct for people, who he could sense, wanted to harm another person.

My rot was poisoned by some redneck neighbors in Tennessee. They preferred i kept him in a cage, other then letting him roam free on my property, which they would tresspass through, to go hunting and or fishing on.

They poisoned him with antifreeze over the period of about a week... he started looking sluggish and lethergic one day, so took him to the vet....

I picked my dog up at the vet, paid my fee.... they said they ran some tests on him, of which i was charged for, and said they couldnt see anything wrong with him, other then the pins in hip may be giving him some pain..... and to take him home and let him get some rest....

2 days later he died.

First i was pissed at the Vet, so I went to the vet.....

one of the little guys at the vets office spilled the beans and told us, nobody actually examined him that day..they were too scared to open the cage to put a muzzle on him...... so they just sent him home and charged me for work they never did.

Later one of the neighbors confessed to another neighbor he poisoned my rot.

Tough Dog he was.

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reed_4

Rottweiler are good guard dogs. you just need to give him a proper trainning.

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tony286

yeah my Bostons are number 17

chazer

that sucks dude. I think I would of asked the vet why he didn't call me. Then I would asked for my money back before knocking him the fuck out.

cyberpunk

2 a year looks like Nocarriers kids are more likely to drown in the shitter then be killed by the Rott's


CPSC has received reports of 16 children under age 5 who drowned in toilets between 1996 and 1999.

source: http://www.cpsc.gov/cpscpub/prerel/prhtml02/02169.html

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