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NoCarrier 08-23-2005 11:55 AM

http://www.nbc17.com/family/2765296/...Own%20A%20Dog?

CDC's 10 Most Dangerous Dogs List

While national statistics show at least 30 breeds have attacked humans, 10 dog breeds are on the Center for Disease Control and Prevention's most dangerous list, meaning they tend to bite the most frequently. They are:

Pit bulls
Rottweilers
German Shepherds
Huskies
Alaskan Malamutes
Doberman Pinschers
Chow Chows
Great Danes
St. Bernards
Akitas

The breeds considered most likely to kill are pit bulls and rottweilers, and the CDC says that a chained dog is more likely to bite than an unchained dog.

The CDC also says the majority of dog attacks happen at home or in a familiar place, which is why choosing the right dog for your family is crucial.

"There are approximately 4.5 million reported dog bites annually in the United States (nearly 2% of the American population). The majority of dog bites are never reported to local authorities."

HammerALL 08-23-2005 11:57 AM

BTW - one thing that if you have taken a basic Finite math class you would know about statistics is that they have co-relations that must be taken into consideration. For example white and silver cars get into more accidents than any other color of car - well the corelation to this is that the two most popular colors in new cars are white and silver - so therefore it would figure that by the law of statistic that there are more of them out there - there is a greater chance of them getting into an accident. Rottweilers are well within the top 20 of most popular dogs (http://www.futurepets.com/top50breeds.htm) # 13 to be exact - so could it just be comon sense because there are alot of them that there are more occurences - Again not sure if this can compute into the way you like to figure your statistic - but it's basic math

NoCarrier 08-23-2005 12:03 PM

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Originally Posted by chazer
read 3 posts up. if you think 23 is a big number then you have no concept of quantity. you could say it should be 0 but you need to be realistic.

"There are approximately 4.5 million reported dog bites annually in the United States (nearly 2% of the American population). The majority of dog bites are never reported to local authorities."

TheJimmy 08-23-2005 12:03 PM

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Originally Posted by NoCarrier
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The breeds considered most likely to kill are pit bulls and rottweilers, and the CDC says that a chained dog is more likely to bite than an unchained dog.

The CDC also says the majority of dog attacks happen at home or in a familiar place, which is why choosing the right dog for your family is crucial.

...


no shit, think about it, if you chain a person up and leave them outside,they MIGHT get a little crazy on your ass, same thing happens with dogs, and it's especially dangerous when a dog has some serious POUNDS per square inch pressure in their jaws...


also, the majority of car accidents happen closer to your house...reason being, you are THERE more often than not...I don't know many people that hang out on the street with dogs more than in their house or the "attacks happen at home or in a familiar place" would shift, oh wait, a FAMILIAR place....that's a revelation? please



bottom line, yes they can kill, so you should respect them and be mindful of that

however, it does not imply that because they can kill that they WILL

not all guns kill but they have the potential, being mindful and having respect is common sense

so if your point is to remind people to have common sense around dangerous things.........good


:thumbsup



PS: remember to apply this to cars, trucks, motorcycles and water sport apparatus & activities

:2 cents:

chazer 08-23-2005 12:05 PM

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Originally Posted by NoCarrier
http://www.nbc17.com/family/2765296/...Own%20A%20Dog?

CDC's 10 Most Dangerous Dogs List

While national statistics show at least 30 breeds have attacked humans, 10 dog breeds are on the Center for Disease Control and Prevention's most dangerous list, meaning they tend to bite the most frequently. They are:

Pit bulls
Rottweilers
German Shepherds
Huskies
Alaskan Malamutes
Doberman Pinschers
Chow Chows
Great Danes
St. Bernards
Akitas

The breeds considered most likely to kill are pit bulls and rottweilers, and the CDC says that a chained dog is more likely to bite than an unchained dog.

The CDC also says the majority of dog attacks happen at home or in a familiar place, which is why choosing the right dog for your family is crucial.

"There are approximately 4.5 million reported dog bites annually in the United States (nearly 2% of the American population). The majority of dog bites are never reported to local authorities."

yeh, make sure you keep that list handy so you can jump in whenever someone mentions one of those breeds.

someone else "I just got a new german shephar pup, so cute"

you "i almost got killed by one of those, they are dangerous and should be eliminated from the face of the earth blah blah I think I know what I'm talking about blah blah"

NoCarrier 08-23-2005 12:06 PM

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Originally Posted by TheJimmy
bottom line, yes they can kill, so you should respect them and be mindful of that

however, it does not imply that because they can kill that they WILL

Well, the person who started this thread wanted to see opinions. Not the truth from God. My opinion is that I would never and I mean never own a Rottweiler if you have kids. Why take the chance? The stats are against you.

HammerALL 08-23-2005 12:07 PM

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Originally Posted by TheJimmy
no shit, think about it, if you chain a person up and leave them outside,they MIGHT get a little crazy on your ass, same thing happens with dogs, and it's especially dangerous when a dog has some serious POUNDS per square inch pressure in their jaws...


also, the majority of car accidents happen closer to your house...reason being, you are THERE more often than not...I don't know many people that hang out on the street with dogs more than in their house or the "attacks happen at home or in a familiar place" would shift, oh wait, a FAMILIAR place....that's a revelation? please



bottom line, yes they can kill, so you should respect them and be mindful of that

however, it does not imply that because they can kill that they WILL

not all guns kill but they have the potential, being mindful and having respect is common sense

so if your point is to remind people to have common sense around dangerous things.........good


:thumbsup



PS: remember to apply this to cars, trucks, motorcycles and water sport apparatus & activities



:2 cents:


That's the best way to put it - and I can definitely agree with that - everything has potiential to harm should be respected.

NoCarrier 08-23-2005 12:08 PM

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Originally Posted by chazer
yeh, make sure you keep that list handy so you can jump in whenever someone mentions one of those breeds.

I will, thanks! :thumbsup

WarChild 08-23-2005 12:11 PM

No carrier you're a fucking idiot and that's all I'll say on the matter.

NoCarrier 08-23-2005 12:12 PM

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Originally Posted by WarChild
No carrier you're a fucking idiot and that's all I'll say on the matter.

:1orglaugh Do you want a cookie?

woj 08-23-2005 12:14 PM

50 Rottweiler Owners...

WarChild 08-23-2005 12:15 PM

http://www.lr-racing.com/club43ma/doggies1.jpg

Three of the most gentle dogs you'll ever meet. The big Male on the right is 145 pounds and the most gentle dog I've ever had. I've had shelties, labs, retrievers and he's the most gentle of any of them. He was rasied with a baby around and would never hurt any person, period.

No he's not going to suddenly snap one day. Even suggesting that is fucking stupid.

NoCarrier 08-23-2005 12:18 PM

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Originally Posted by WarChild
dogs bla bla bla..Zzzzzzz

You lied you stupid bitch.

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Originally Posted by WarChild
and that's all I'll say on the matter.

:1orglaugh

WarChild 08-23-2005 12:23 PM

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Originally Posted by NoCarrier
You lied you stupid bitch.



:1orglaugh

That is all I had to say, to you. Your stupidity constantly amazes me. Someone should slap your mother for having you. :2 cents:

mrthumbs 08-23-2005 12:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by NoCarrier
http://www.nbc17.com/family/2765296/...Own%20A%20Dog?

CDC's 10 Most Dangerous Dogs List

While national statistics show at least 30 breeds have attacked humans, 10 dog breeds are on the Center for Disease Control and Prevention's most dangerous list, meaning they tend to bite the most frequently. They are:

Pit bulls
Rottweilers
German Shepherds
Huskies
Alaskan Malamutes
Doberman Pinschers
Chow Chows
Great Danes
St. Bernards
Akitas

The breeds considered most likely to kill are pit bulls and rottweilers, and the CDC says that a chained dog is more likely to bite than an unchained dog.

The CDC also says the majority of dog attacks happen at home or in a familiar place, which is why choosing the right dog for your family is crucial.

"There are approximately 4.5 million reported dog bites annually in the United States (nearly 2% of the American population). The majority of dog bites are never reported to local authorities."


St bernards?

chazer 08-23-2005 12:24 PM

nice looking dogs there warchild, almost got a rottie, always wanted one when I was little. Ended up getting a couple Boxers instead... but they are beatiful dogs.

WarChild 08-23-2005 12:26 PM

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Originally Posted by chazer
nice looking dogs there warchild, almost got a rottie, always wanted one when I was little. Ended up getting a couple Boxers instead... but they are beatiful dogs.

I "rescue" Rottweilers. Basically, I give homes to dogs that don't have homes. The exception is my Male who I bought in Costa Rica. They're a special breed in that they realli need attention and to be part of the family. Don't buy a Rottweiler and leave him in the back yard. He won't be happy. As with most breeds, a chained Rottweiler is a mean one.

My dogs look rough when they play with each other, but they're very gentle with people. Two of them were raised with my servants' in Costa Rica's baby around all the time. The big dog is trained to lay on his back so he doesnt knock the child over and just take whatever he's given. It's kinda cute.

EroticySteve 08-23-2005 12:30 PM

I'm a dog owner and I've been around dogs most of my life. Anyone that loves their pet is going to defend it til it's death and even afterwards they will defend it. Hey I'd do the same thing, nothing wrong with that.

I've had plenty of friends who've had what would be considered dangerous breeds. Pits, Rots and Dobes. I can tell you stories about each one of these and to say that if you're a good pet owner it shouldn't happen is false and dangerous.

I'll share with you a story about a friend's Rotweiler. We were at a gathering. It was a cool evening, we were loading a car off of the trailer. His dog was in the back of his truck. This Rotweiler was the most gentle dog and in six years never had an incident. Well, as we were unloading the car from the trailer the dog jumped through the rear window and would have mauled a complete stranger had the dog's owner not been able to wrestle it to the ground and subdue him. He got a good piece of pants and destroyed the guy's shirt. The bite wasn't bad and the guy chalked it up to shit happening.

Another friend had a Pit since it was a baby. The dog was your average happy playful, never violent Pit. The owner swore by the fact that people are wrong about Pits. He defended his dog and other pits as dogs only being as good as their owners. The dog got loose and started attacking another dog. When the owner of the other dog tried to breakt it up. The Pit attacked him.

I'm pretty sure that there is somethign a bit different about some of these breeds.

HammerALL 08-23-2005 12:31 PM

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Originally Posted by WarChild
I "rescue" Rottweilers. Basically, I give homes to dogs that don't have homes. The exception is my Male who I bought in Costa Rica. They're a special breed in that they realli need attention and to be part of the family. Don't buy a Rottweiler and leave him in the back yard. He won't be happy. As with most breeds, a chained Rottweiler is a mean one.

My dogs look rough when they play with each other, but they're very gentle with people. Two of them were raised with my servants' in Costa Rica's baby around all the time. The big dog is trained to lay on his back so he doesnt knock the child over and just take whatever he's given. It's kinda cute.


Thats amazing - I want to get another few myself - I wouldn't have any other breed now. Their history is fascinating and their character is undeniable.

EroticySteve 08-23-2005 12:33 PM

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Originally Posted by mrthumbs
St bernards?

St. Bernards are known to cause DUI's. They carry a little barrel of potent alcohol on their collars. People have been known to drink these mini barrels and drive drunk.

Dangerous dogs those St. Bernards are.

WarChild 08-23-2005 12:33 PM

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Originally Posted by EroticySteve
I'm a dog owner and I've been around dogs most of my life. Anyone that loves their pet is going to defend it til it's death and even afterwards they will defend it. Hey I'd do the same thing, nothing wrong with that.

I've had plenty of friends who've had what would be considered dangerous breeds. Pits, Rots and Dobes. I can tell you stories about each one of these and to say that if you're a good pet owner it shouldn't happen is false and dangerous.

I'll share with you a story about a friend's Rotweiler. We were at a gathering. It was a cool evening, we were loading a car off of the trailer. His dog was in the back of his truck. This Rotweiler was the most gentle dog and in six years never had an incident. Well, as we were unloading the car from the trailer the dog jumped through the rear window and would have mauled a complete stranger had the dog's owner not been able to wrestle it to the ground and subdue him. He got a good piece of pants and destroyed the guy's shirt. The bite wasn't bad and the guy chalked it up to shit happening.

Another friend had a Pit since it was a baby. The dog was your average happy playful, never violent Pit. The owner swore by the fact that people are wrong about Pits. He defended his dog and other pits as dogs only being as good as their owners. The dog got loose and started attacking another dog. When the owner of the other dog tried to breakt it up. The Pit attacked him.

I'm pretty sure that there is somethign a bit different about some of these breeds.

Sure, but what you're describing can and does happen in all breeds of dogs. I've been charged down by angry mini pinchers. Pounced on by toy poodles and bitten by Jack Russel's. It wasn't a big deal because I just kicked the little fucker away, and in the case of the bite it barely hurt and didnt break skin. The difference is in what the dog is capable of doing. :2 cents:

WarChild 08-23-2005 12:37 PM

People get in car accidents all the time. If you hit something at a given speed in an Austin Mini it will do a LOT less damage than hitting the same thing at the same given speed in a fully loaded Escalade. Is the Escalade really that much more likely to get in an accident just because if it does it can do more damage?

NoCarrier 08-23-2005 12:40 PM

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Originally Posted by WarChild
That is all I had to say, to you.

You mentionned "on the matter". Stop being a fucktard, you can't escape the fact you got owned.

NoCarrier 08-23-2005 12:41 PM

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Originally Posted by WarChild
People get in car accidents all the time. If you hit something at a given speed in an Austin Mini it will do a LOT less damage than hitting the same thing at the same given speed in a fully loaded Escalade. Is the Escalade really that much more likely to get in an accident just because if it does it can do more damage?

Re-read again, and slap yourself in the face for being such a dumbass. :pimp

WarChild 08-23-2005 12:42 PM

The CDC data is interesting but also somewhat misleading. It doesn't show dog attacks by breed as percentage of the total population.

Of course "Pittbull" is listed as number one. Nine out of ten people can't identify an actualy Pittbull. The category represents some dozen or more different breeds of powerful dogs. Cumatively, of COURSE they do the most damage.

Veterinarians almost universally agree that no single factor leads to dog attacks and making it as simple as picking on certain breeds is just ridiculous. You'd think they'd know a thing or two about animals.

WarChild 08-23-2005 12:43 PM

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Originally Posted by NoCarrier
You mentionned "on the matter". Stop being a fucktard, you can't escape the fact you got owned.

On the matter quoted directly to you. You keep replying to me specifically so I have to keep answering you. People like you down own anybody, get serious.

EroticySteve 08-23-2005 12:43 PM

Warchild. I'm not saying that you're a bad person or that your dogs WILL lash out at someone, though I've seen it many times by dogs that can be described the same way as yours. It's possible.

Exactly, if a poodle spazzes out you can kick it away with little drama. However, the point is that most people are defenseless if/when a large breed dog does do this. That is part of the point I think.

WarChild 08-23-2005 12:45 PM

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Originally Posted by EroticySteve
Warchild. I'm not saying that you're a bad person or that your dogs WILL lash out at someone, though I've seen it many times by dogs that can be described the same way as yours. It's possible.

Exactly, if a poodle spazzes out you can kick it away with little drama. However, the point is that most people are defenseless if/when a large breed dog does do this. That is part of the point I think.

Of course it's possible, anything is. And yes that is the point, that it's the capablity of the dog to damage, not the perpensity. :2 cents:

NoCarrier 08-23-2005 12:46 PM

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Originally Posted by WarChild
People like you down own anybody, get serious.

Down own what? Damn. I don't even need to say something, you own yourself. :1orglaugh

WarChild 08-23-2005 12:47 PM

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Originally Posted by NoCarrier
Down own what? Damn. I don't even need to say something, you own yourself. :1orglaugh

Yes you got me on a typo. You're certainly winning now. :thumbsup

WarChild 08-23-2005 12:49 PM

Let me put it in perspective another way.

Each year about 20 people are killed in the United States as the result of a dog attack.
Each year about 85 people are killed in the United States as the result of a lightning strike.

Mother nature is 4 times more likely to kill you than my Rottweiler is.

Oh you terrible Rottweiler owners are doing so much damage!

WarChild 08-23-2005 12:52 PM

Maybe No Carrier just has a "feeling" about this. Those seem to be pretty accurate.

HammerALL 08-23-2005 12:53 PM

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Originally Posted by EroticySteve
Warchild. I'm not saying that you're a bad person or that your dogs WILL lash out at someone, though I've seen it many times by dogs that can be described the same way as yours. It's possible.

Exactly, if a poodle spazzes out you can kick it away with little drama. However, the point is that most people are defenseless if/when a large breed dog does do this. That is part of the point I think.


But Steve - the point is - is it that fair? - no - because there are going to be bad dogs of any breeds - but the fact remains that Rottweilers and other large dog breeds get a bum rap because they are large - if a standard poodle (which by AKC standards is actually a 60lbs dog not the toy poodle that many people confuse it with) was actually a carriage guard dog and can cause a considerable bit of damage to a human but they are not demonized in the media. This argument carries on to people as well - Many articles have been written about veterans of war who could not re- adapt to society - or Football players (of which I played the sport for 15 years of my life) who are much more violent individuals. These are all stereotypes that are propagated by the media. Again - all I can say is don't let your mind be swayed by jaded media statistics and narrow minded individuals with agendas.

Doctor Dre 08-23-2005 12:53 PM

Rotts are for experienced owners only ... you gotta train them well ... because a bite of it on a child can kill .

WarChild 08-23-2005 12:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Doctor Dre
Rotts are for experienced owners only ... you gotta train them well ... because a bite of it on a child can kill .

Experienced owners, or owners willing to work with a professional and aquire the knowledge they will need.

Basically, Rottweilers are only for very responsible people.

NoCarrier 08-23-2005 01:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by WarChild
Let me put it in perspective another way.

Each year about 20 people are killed in the United States as the result of a dog attack.
Each year about 85 people are killed in the United States as the result of a lightning strike.

Mother nature is 4 times more likely to kill you than my Rottweiler is.

Oh you terrible Rottweiler owners are doing so much damage!

Now you are just pathetic.

Dog bites and attacks can leave scars you know (emotional and physical ones), especially to young kids. I understand that you own Rottweilers and that you are blinded by that "love". That doesn't mean they are less dangerous. Stats do not lie (Not just the fatal attacks).

chazer 08-23-2005 01:19 PM

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Originally Posted by NoCarrier
Now you are just pathetic.

Dog bites and attacks can leave scars you know (emotional and physical ones), especially to young kids. I understand that you own Rottweilers and that you are blinded by that "love". That doesn't mean they are less dangerous. Stats do not lie (Not just the fatal attacks).

so can car accidents dipshit.

WarChild 08-23-2005 01:35 PM

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Originally Posted by NoCarrier
Now you are just pathetic.

Dog bites and attacks can leave scars you know (emotional and physical ones), especially to young kids. I understand that you own Rottweilers and that you are blinded by that "love". That doesn't mean they are less dangerous. Stats do not lie (Not just the fatal attacks).

No, statistics are never left incomplete or twisted to support a certain point of view. I mean, of course not.

Audrey 08-23-2005 01:39 PM

My family bought one when I was a kid. It was a baby female. The neighboor bought her little sister.

Ours was a very nice dog, until one day my little brother was teasing the dog while she was eating. She jumped at his face, it was close to the eye, he was lucky. My step-father shot it the next day.

The neighboor never had any problems with his. He has a young kid who is frankly evil, always annoying the dog. Well she never did a thing and I thing they have been with it for more than 5-6 years now.

So it depends... you can get a rotten apple. I really wouldn't buy it if I had a kid... wouldnt take a chance

WarChild 08-23-2005 01:42 PM

Even though apparently the CDC list of what they consider to be dangerous is the gospel according to No Carrier, let's examine what other people, experts in animals, think.

The Humane Society Of The United States: http://www.hsus.org/pets/issues_affe...rous_dogs.html

It is imperative that the dog population in the community be understood. To simply pull numbers of attacks does not give an accurate representation of a breed necessarily. For example, by reviewing a study that states there have been five attacks by golden retrievers in a community and 10 attacks by pit bulls in that same community it would appear that pit bulls are more dangerous. However, if you look at the dog populations in that community and learn that there are 50 golden retrievers present and 500 pit bulls, then the pit bulls are actually the safer breed statistically.


Is that exactly what I was trying to explain with percentage of population above?


The main conclusion of the study was that breed-specific legislation doesn't work for several reasons: that there are inherent problems in trying to determine a dog's breed, making enforcement of breed-specific legislation difficult at best; that fatal attacks represent a very small portion of bite-related injuries and should not be the major factor driving public policy; and that existing non-breed-specific legislation already exists and offers promise for the prevention of dog bites.

Oh what's this? People often can't identify dog breeds properly? Amazing!

Two decades ago, pit bulls and Rottweilers (the most recent breeds targeted) attracted little to no public concern. At that time it was the Doberman pinscher who was being vilified. In 2001, few people had heard of the Presa Canario breed, involved in the tragic, fatal attack on Diane Whipple in California in January of that year. Now that breed is being sought by individuals who desire the new "killer dog." Unfortunately, the "problem dog" at any given time is often the most popular breed among individuals who tend to be irresponsible, if not abusive, in the control and keeping of their pets. Simply put, if you ban one breed, individuals will just move on to another one. Banning a breed only speeds up the timetable.


So let's see. Vets, Rottweiler owners and the Humane Society says one thing, and No Carrier another. I know who'd I'd trust first.


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