stagnated
STILL
eternity

all expression of time. You're still stuck.

When you remove the concept of time, your question is rendered moot.

if there is a "god" ... who created him, and where did they come from?

all questions just lead to more questions, we'll never know.

I think you're onto something here. Sorry, I don't have anything else to add ATM but it's making me think. :upsidedow

I'd have to agree with this :2 cents:

It is impossible to comprehend nothingness. It is also impossible to comprehend inifite things such as the universe. don't bother trying

Originality is not your strongest point as I can see.. :1orglaugh

Haven't really thought about this much recently, but perhaps 'time' as we percieve it simply loops if you look at things on a large enough scale, in which case the elements your referring to would be there at the beginning because they have always been.

warning: might need some aspirin to wrap your brain around the concept

I re-read your first post that was titled "For those who don't believe in God (Atheists) I need your explanation about something"

I believe you interjected religion into the thread from the outset

And asking for an explanation to something that has never been explained worldwide is ridiculous - while I would love to talk with some here that posted some good answers about time and "human thought constraints" you obviously are just trying to push a religious platform and trying to suck unsuspecting people into arguments for your own superiority complex dinner.

OMG! :1orglaugh

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Seriously, WELCOME TO GFY!

Well thank you for the welcome - I may be an old man but Im pretty sure I've got this posting thing down - lemme go take my enema and fix these damn teeth before they fall out again and I'll be back :)

exactly haha...

What's more believable,

Some ghost created earth in seven days for dinosours to rule, then 2 teenagers ate an apple and started the world. And they didn't like the humans living back then either so they killed off all the ugly people ans strted over? Or was adam and eve cave people too?

Or a explosions of the sun created the world.

Even if I am, as you define on earth, an atheist, I believe this is the "simple" answer:

If you combine Darwins theory with the big question "why", you'll discover that individuals are not of importance, but evolution is. The survival is the only thing that matters, and the strongest lifeforms will survive. On early stages (where most earth lifeforms are today), the survival is dependant on physical factors. The individuals can not avoid death, but as I say its not important. The important thing is to avoid the death of evolution, and on later stages this is all dependant on intelligence and right timing.

Now, there are many obstacles to reach this higher "goal". Look at the timelines in our universe; - individuals die after relative little time. - the planets die or change conditions so lifeforms can not live there, or die because they were too early in their evolution. - the suns will burn out and/or explode, resulting in death of many local evolutions..... you can go on and on with bigger scales and finally the hole universe (our) will collapse or fade out.
Sooner or later we will have to get away from our earth. So what we need is energy. Already today we are able to produce positive energy, but from an highly intelligent alien point of view, its still very primitive. Maybe we can time it, maybe not, but point is that some civilizations sooner or later will have the intelligence and power to control energy in a way we can't even imagine.
On the death of our universe, they will be able to create a new universe, because that is the only way evolution can survive. Its birt-death birth-death of evolutions, just like individuals.

Our "God" is not unexplainable. Its lifeforms which has reached the end in their evolution, and ready for rebirth of a new global evolution.
You may ask "who started it all", but there are no starts. Time is repeating itself. Its a circle, not a rollercoaster. Its a scary thought, and you can accept it or you can be seduced by ego and believe in superstition (religion).

The question is : who created god ?

No one. There is no God :)

all I can say is that I believe in God. I may not share the same concept of God as with other people, but I have one.

I would suggest you read "Mere Christianity" by C.S. Lewis. Lewis was an atheist who came to believe in God through scientific emperical evidence.

it was gods suicide that caused it.
before that everything was peachy.

"Now he has departed from this strange world a little ahead of me. That means nothing. People like us, who believe in physics, know that the distinction between past, present, and future is only a stubbornly persistent illusion." - Albert Einstein

Physicists and cosmologists have a number of possible explanations for "what existed before the big bang". The big bang theory is just the best theory we've created so far to explain the peculiarities of the universe we see in telescopes.

The most popular theory is that this universe is the end result of a chain of universes- this theory is popular because it explains why the conditions of this universe seem so perfect for the creation of space-time and life.

This kinda pushes the "first cause" question backwards into the "turtles all the way down" category.

But science doesn't try to answer "first cause" questions - it tries to explain observations.

100... hey woj :error

I believe in souls, I don't think my soul will remain 'in the grave' with my body, (which, btw when I die, I want to be cremated & have my ashes mixed into the sand of a zen garden)

...I don't worry too much overall about where I have come from, I concern myself more with where I am now & where I am going. That said, here's what I believe about life/afterlife/purpose of life (a "brief" summary)

I don't believe that life on earth is "it" all there is all there will be, by any means. Look around at the growth patterns that we see in all things all around us. Pay close attention especially to the schooling that happens in all living things, enabling them to survive on their own. Now look closely again at our own school systems. They have absolutely nothing to do with the overall purpose of our lives, but they make for a fabulous metaphorical image to help explain my "theory" on this stuff. Now think back to the stories our parents or grandparents have told us about "back in the day" when schools were not seperated by age/grade classifications. Everybody was clumped in together. Keeping that image in mind now, apply it to earth. Earth is the school, the souls are the pupils, and we are all here to learn "life" lessons. Think now about some of the people you have encountered in your life. We've all met people that make us feel to be about the size of an ant without trying very hard, and we've also encountered people who will say or do something & not think anything of it, and leave us completely mindboggled and left wondering how they can possibly not know any better. There are things that we all can think of that we "know" in our minds/hearts/(...or souls) that nobody has ever flat out said to us directly "Don't do this, it is bad." Example, (slightly extreme) ...nobody has ever told me, "Tami, you shouldn't kill people, its wrong." Nobody has ever had to tell me that, I know that it is wrong. Murderers still exist however, and very likely because the soul inhabiting that individual, has not yet learned that killing people is wrong. Could very well be the lesson they are on this planet to learn. Now, is the lesson always learned in one lifetime? Does going to jail "teach" them? No, I think this is where Karma comes into play in a big way. Not to spook you all with the murder references, but I'm going to use it as an example again. Take Canada's Clifford Olson for example. He's killed several children, I don't think that going to jail has taught him anything, I dread the fact that he's going to finish his sentence in a frighteningly short amount of time.. (getting sidetracked, sorry) I don't think his soul is going to fully understand the full lesson until Karma has taught it... I think when he dies (shouldn't be too long after his release lol) his soul will come back and for each child he killed, he will be a child killed, and closer to the 'end' of his learning, he'll be the parent of a child who gets killed. That soul won't come back & murder anybody else, that will be a lesson learned.

That's just one very simplistic example, as I've said there's plenty of other things people say/do that we can think of and be appalled at.

Now, I've had people ask me stuff like "For what purpose are we here learning these lessons then?" Lets look again at our own society as an example. Why do we send our kids to school? So they can learn discipline, social skills, etc etc (Very little of the academics taught in school are either remembered, or useful to life as a whole). Why do our souls come to Earth, our classroom, to learn lessons? So that once they've learned them all they can graduate from this existance & become a part of a larger "society" or an even bigger picture.

That's the short version, it's all pretty complex, ... :)

Our planet, and by comparison, our very lifes, do not exist. Think of the vastness of the universe (or maybe even universes). Now think about our planet. How small is our planet when compared to the space around us? Utterly insignificant. This planet we live on, and our very species, will never be remembered, no one will ever know we existed, and since we will not be remembered, and no one will know we ever existed, then who's going to care?

Reminds me of a line from the movie "Collateral", when tom cruise says, "The cop, you, me, who's gonna notice? Who's going to care?". That line couldn't be any more true. Nothing we create will ever matter. None of our 'great technology' will ever ammount to anything. We exist to cease to exist. The existence of our planet is the blink of an eye :upsidedow

And now that I think about it, there is no real meaning to life. It seems every species on this planet has a purpose. What do we do? We take and we take and we take, and we never give anything back. It's in our nature to destroy ourselves and each other. Anyone who claims life is a gift that shouldn't be wasted is a tard. Life is a curse. Life is hard, you work hard and you pay your bills, then you retire, and then you die. For nothing.

The first answer ir correct, close the thread.

Atheists sucks! :321GFY

I only read the first post; my answer to the question is with another:

Who made god then?

The only thing we have to fear, is fear itself.