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scary, but true...

NoCarrier,

I'm an atheist, have been for years. The answer to your to your question is:

No one knows there was a big bang. Just as absolutely NO ONE knows that god exists.

There is no evidence for the existence of God, and no on one knows where humans or life or the universe came from, regardless of how many theists make up stories about the origin of it all.

The big bang may be the most prevalent theory of it all at this point in time. Certainly more credible than the big bearded man in the sky. However, if there was a big bang, why did it occur? no one knows. If god made it, then who made god? :winkwink:

As an atheist I prefer to simply say: Existence exists, it prolly always has existed, as did the universe. Why? Who knows. We're here, and life is great! :pimp

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Exactly, and that "universe" had very little if anything in common to this one most probably

there is nothing random about it. i hate hearing religous ppl saying that science is random.
everything is defined and with purpose. science does not play dice.

It's pretty simple. We don't know ANYTHING about our universe. We have no idea why we are here, or even if there is a "why" to be answered.

We have five physical senses, and everything thing we can really know enters through them. We see in a very limited spectrum of light - who knows what the world really looks like? We know that everything is made of energy at some level, and that there are many forms of energy that we haven't even begun to understand. Maybe there really is no such thing as "mass" - maybe it's all energy at very low frequencies and we perceive things to be solid. Maybe they are solid, but only within our sphere of existence.

I don't believe there really is anything called "time", except within our own experience. I think we've created the idea of time as our brains developed to add order to a chaotic existence that our five senses simply couldn't handle without it. Holding onto an idea of time, we'll never be able to entertain the concept of anything that does not have a beginning. We'll always ask the question "but what came first?" when there probably is no "first" of anything.

Bottom line - we don't know shit about the universe, how it works, where it cames from, what it truly is. Our little brains can not handle it. Yet.

And that's why the concept of divine intervention was born. Over history, anything our little minds could not understand was attributed to a god of some sort. Not much has changed, except now our major religions have reduced the divine pantheon to one supreme god. Not much progress, really...

:thumbsup Very well said.

Do not confuse the terms "Athiest" with "Agnostic" here. The religious nuts love to paint everyone as evil non-believers. Agnostics, which are far more prevalent than Athiests, are simply trying to figure it all out, and in lieu of actual proof, refuse to commit to any one set of beliefs.

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that is a logical idea based on observation. however, the best idea from the best minds suggested that universeS (more than one) have always existed, one after anothr.

Very nice post.. maybe too much to handle for the Jesus people here tho

I thought god was an alien. damn where'd I leave my foil hat

Allright, if the Big Bang happened and let's say that we know it happened. What makes you think our universe is the only one? Just because there was nothing here before, doesn't mean there was nothing elsewhere.

So the "then who made god" doesn't apply here. :pimp

Exactly - I'm an agnostic - I can't say anything for certain - anyone who says they can is full of shit. I only put forth the theories that seem to make the most logical sense.

i second that. well said.

thread closed.

First of all, I am not a religious person. Thank you.

Second of all, I know that the universe is not random. If it was random, life on earth would not exist.

My point was that to have RULES AND LAWS, you need to create them in the first place.

Pascal's wager....

'it was proposed by the brilliant mathematician Blaise Pascal, that if you believe in god and god does not exist, then you lose nothing, but if you don't believe and he does exist, you could potentially go to hell. So the smarter thing to do is to believe.'

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sorry.
why? says who?

i think you missunderstood the post.

I don't believe that the RULES and LAWS of our universe were randomly selected.

Atheists don't need to give you an answer.

To the question of explaining the "Big Bang" --there may be no one word answer, nor a one sentence answer, nor even an answer that would fit in a book.

Nobody knows the answer to the complete explanation of the Big Bang, as far as I can tell. But that is a totally different question than the one about God. You are mixing apples and oranges.

Your question is illogical. You are trying to give credence to your theory of God by asking atheists to disprove it. Somehow you are trying to use general uncertainty about the Big Bang to prove God.

The bottom line: the burden of proof for a theory, such as the theory of God, is on the person(s) positing the theory --not on the world to disprove it.

Lack of knowledge about the Big Bang doesn't prove God, it only proves we have alot to learn.

If you think really long and hard about the fact that the Universe is "everything" in it's most literal sense, your brain will actually start to hurt.

Well maybe not...

As was mentioned.. it could be an answer that is so complex that our comprehensive abilities couldn't come close to getting it...

Or .. it could be that we think something as never ending as the universe is so complex, when in actuality it could very well be that it just is...

Not an excuse.. We just don't really know...

oh i love questions like these. why are we going to explain how the big bang came to be. when we don't even know for sure thats what happened. because the "big bang" is a THEORY.

ur a smart man. i respect u.
i now feel like a fool posting replies in this thread.

ya gotta love religion...anything you cant explain you just God did it...and thats that


reckon how God feels about that?

and while we are on the subject where did God come from?

I guess he just "is"

Well, I'm a bit too drunk now to answer this thread and I'm glad you did it for me :) :thumbsup

What button? "pushing a button" implies somekind of intention, plan...

Why did someone have to do it? You're talking First Mover argument? Who says it has to be a sentient being at all? Perhaps forces that are beyond our knowledge were at work before the chain reaction (that we're aware of) began. But who said those forces have to be sentient or a being at all?

It's just as ez for me to believe that the universes has always exisited as it is to believe some higher power made 'em.

The universe is a recipe. I'm just wondering why there were ingredients in the first place.

And no, I am not a religious person. I just wanted to start a discussion. :pimp

EDIT: same point made previously and worded better than me :upsidedow

Atheists would like to understand the reason for 'the big bang' etc also, but saying that God did it is not an explanation. It can't be tested, it just asks more questions e.g. "how was God created" (please no bullshit answer like He just was)

Religion was created to guide the masses, The profit came later.

menkind made god!

Probably not created to profit, but definitely exploited to profit.

i don't give a fuck about big or small bangs, i'am alive, i think....

Hi Max!

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How do you know there's such a thing as "the first place"?

You're stuck on the concept of time. It doesn't exist outside our sphere of existence.

My question does not include the concept of time. I don't care if the ingredients stagnated into nothingness for eternity, and for no reason, decided to create a Big Bang.

They were STILL there. That's the question. :1orglaugh