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spacemonk · 08-20-2005, 01:34 PM

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Originally Posted by fusionx

We have five physical senses, and everything thing we can really know enters through them. We see in a very limited spectrum of light - who knows what the world really looks like? We know that everything is made of energy at some level, and that there are many forms of energy that we haven't even begun to understand. Maybe there really is no such thing as "mass" - maybe it's all energy at very low frequencies and we perceive things to be solid. Maybe they are solid, but only within our sphere of existence.

I don't believe there really is anything called "time", except within our own experience. I think we've created the idea of time as our brains developed to add order to a chaotic existence that our five senses simply couldn't handle without it. Holding onto an idea of time, we'll never be able to entertain the concept of anything that does not have a beginning. We'll always ask the question "but what came first?" when there probably is no "first" of anything.

Bottom line - we don't know shit about the universe, how it works, where it cames from, what it truly is. Our little brains can not handle it. Yet.

And that's why the concept of divine intervention was born. Over history, anything our little minds could not understand was attributed to a god of some sort. Not much has changed, except now our major religions have reduced the divine pantheon to one supreme god. Not much progress, really...

Very nice post.. maybe too much to handle for the Jesus people here tho

Doc911 · 08-20-2005, 01:35 PM

I thought god was an alien. damn where'd I leave my foil hat

NoCarrier · 08-20-2005, 01:35 PM

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Originally Posted by High Quality

However, if there was a big bang, why did it occur? no one knows. If god made it, then who made god?

Allright, if the Big Bang happened and let's say that we know it happened. What makes you think our universe is the only one? Just because there was nothing here before, doesn't mean there was nothing elsewhere.

So the "then who made god" doesn't apply here.

badmunchkin · 08-20-2005, 01:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Mako

Do not confuse the terms "Athiest" with "Agnostic" here. The religious nuts love to paint everyone as evil non-believers. Agnostics, which are far more prevalent than Athiests, are simply trying to figure it all out, and in lieu of actual proof, refuse to commit to any one set of beliefs.

Exactly - I'm an agnostic - I can't say anything for certain - anyone who says they can is full of shit. I only put forth the theories that seem to make the most logical sense.

fuzzylogic · 08-20-2005, 01:36 PM

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Originally Posted by fusionx

It's pretty simple. We don't know ANYTHING about our universe. We have no idea why we are here, or even if there is a "why" to be answered.

We have five physical senses, and everything thing we can really know enters through them. We see in a very limited spectrum of light - who knows what the world really looks like? We know that everything is made of energy at some level, and that there are many forms of energy that we haven't even begun to understand. Maybe there really is no such thing as "mass" - maybe it's all energy at very low frequencies and we perceive things to be solid. Maybe they are solid, but only within our sphere of existence.

I don't believe there really is anything called "time", except within our own experience. I think we've created the idea of time as our brains developed to add order to a chaotic existence that our five senses simply couldn't handle without it. Holding onto an idea of time, we'll never be able to entertain the concept of anything that does not have a beginning. We'll always ask the question "but what came first?" when there probably is no "first" of anything.

Bottom line - we don't know shit about the universe, how it works, where it cames from, what it truly is. Our little brains can not handle it. Yet.

And that's why the concept of divine intervention was born. Over history, anything our little minds could not understand was attributed to a god of some sort. Not much has changed, except now our major religions have reduced the divine pantheon to one supreme god. Not much progress, really...

i second that. well said.

thread closed.

NoCarrier · 08-20-2005, 01:37 PM

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Originally Posted by fuzzylogic

there is nothing random about it. i hate hearing religous ppl saying that science is random.
everything is defined and with purpose. science does not play dice.

First of all, I am not a religious person. Thank you.

Second of all, I know that the universe is not random. If it was random, life on earth would not exist.

My point was that to have RULES AND LAWS, you need to create them in the first place.

abyss_al · 08-20-2005, 01:38 PM

Pascal's wager....

'it was proposed by the brilliant mathematician Blaise Pascal, that if you believe in god and god does not exist, then you lose nothing, but if you don't believe and he does exist, you could potentially go to hell. So the smarter thing to do is to believe.'

fuzzylogic · 08-20-2005, 01:39 PM

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Originally Posted by NoCarrier

First of all, I am not a religious person. Thank you.

sorry.

Quote:

Second of all, I know that the universe is not random. If it was random, life on earth would not exist.

My point was that to have RULES AND LAWS, you need to create them in the first place.

why? says who?

fuzzylogic · 08-20-2005, 01:40 PM

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Originally Posted by NoCarrier

Allright, if the Big Bang happened and let's say that we know it happened. What makes you think our universe is the only one? Just because there was nothing here before, doesn't mean there was nothing elsewhere.

So the "then who made god" doesn't apply here.

i think you missunderstood the post.

NoCarrier · 08-20-2005, 01:42 PM

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Originally Posted by fuzzylogic

sorry.

why? says who?

I don't believe that the RULES and LAWS of our universe were randomly selected.

DaddyHalbucks · 08-20-2005, 01:44 PM

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Originally Posted by NoCarrier

No bullshit reason like

"Well it's just the way it is, no one created anything.. Everything is just a coincidence, there is no God".

Allright, here is the question :

How do you explain the Big Bang?

If there is no "God", why was there a Big Bang?

Let's all forget about religion here.. No Jesus stuff..

I am talking about a poinf of view where a superior intelligent form (God) pushed the button a created a Big Bang.

Atheists don't need to give you an answer.

To the question of explaining the "Big Bang" --there may be no one word answer, nor a one sentence answer, nor even an answer that would fit in a book.

Nobody knows the answer to the complete explanation of the Big Bang, as far as I can tell. But that is a totally different question than the one about God. You are mixing apples and oranges.

Your question is illogical. You are trying to give credence to your theory of God by asking atheists to disprove it. Somehow you are trying to use general uncertainty about the Big Bang to prove God.

The bottom line: the burden of proof for a theory, such as the theory of God, is on the person(s) positing the theory --not on the world to disprove it.

Lack of knowledge about the Big Bang doesn't prove God, it only proves we have alot to learn.

Kevsh · 08-20-2005, 01:46 PM

If you think really long and hard about the fact that the Universe is "everything" in it's most literal sense, your brain will actually start to hurt.

Scootermuze · 08-20-2005, 01:50 PM

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Originally Posted by NoCarrier

That's a simple answer, just like the bullshit religion excuses, God is forever because he simply is..

But I still respect your answer.

Well maybe not...

As was mentioned.. it could be an answer that is so complex that our comprehensive abilities couldn't come close to getting it...

Or .. it could be that we think something as never ending as the universe is so complex, when in actuality it could very well be that it just is...

Not an excuse.. We just don't really know...

dynastoned · 08-20-2005, 01:51 PM

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Originally Posted by NoCarrier

No bullshit reason like

"Well it's just the way it is, no one created anything.. Everything is just a coincidence, there is no God".

Allright, here is the question :

How do you explain the Big Bang?

If there is no "God", why was there a Big Bang?

Let's all forget about religion here.. No Jesus stuff..

I am talking about a poinf of view where a superior intelligent form (God) pushed the button a created a Big Bang.

oh i love questions like these. why are we going to explain how the big bang came to be. when we don't even know for sure thats what happened. because the "big bang" is a THEORY.

fuzzylogic · 08-20-2005, 01:54 PM

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Originally Posted by DaddyHalbucks

Atheists don't need to give you an answer.

To the question of explaining the "Big Bang" --there may be no one word answer, nor a one sentence answer, nor even an answer that would fit in a book.

Nobody knows the answer to the complete explanation of the Big Bang, as far as I can tell. But that is a totally different question than the one about God. You are mixing apples and oranges.

Your question is illogical. You are trying to give credence to your theory of God by asking atheists to disprove it. Somehow you are trying to use general uncertainty about the Big Bang to prove God.

The bottom line: the burden of proof for a theory, such as the theory of God, is on the person(s) positing the theory --not on the world to disprove it.

Lack of knowledge about the Big Bang doesn't prove God, it only proves we have alot to learn.

ur a smart man. i respect u.
i now feel like a fool posting replies in this thread.

mikesouth · 08-20-2005, 02:04 PM

ya gotta love religion...anything you cant explain you just God did it...and thats that

reckon how God feels about that?

and while we are on the subject where did God come from?

I guess he just "is"

Sexy Rex · 08-20-2005, 02:08 PM

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Originally Posted by BoyAlley

I love how religious people use the "then how do you explain how this happened" reasoning....

Just because science can not yet explain something, doesn't mean that some invisible man is responsible for it.

Also, by using the "big bang happened because of god" argument, all you're doing is pushing the "how do you explain" back one level.

If you believe in god, how do you explain where he came from? He just, always was and always will be? Who/What created god? No one? Then why do you find it hard to believe that no one / nothing created the universe?

I have a hell of a lot easier time believing that the universe just "always was", than believing some imaginary invisible of infinite being of infinite power and intelligence "just always was"........

Well, I'm a bit too drunk now to answer this thread and I'm glad you did it for me

u-Bob · 08-20-2005, 02:14 PM

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Originally Posted by NoCarrier

I am talking about a poinf of view where a superior intelligent form (God) pushed the button a created a Big Bang.

What button? "pushing a button" implies somekind of intention, plan...

Elli · 08-20-2005, 02:48 PM

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Originally Posted by NoCarrier

No bullshit reason like

"Well it's just the way it is, no one created anything.. Everything is just a coincidence, there is no God".

Allright, here is the question :

How do you explain the Big Bang?

If there is no "God", why was there a Big Bang?

Let's all forget about religion here.. No Jesus stuff..

I am talking about a poinf of view where a superior intelligent form (God) pushed the button a created a Big Bang.

Why did someone have to do it? You're talking First Mover argument? Who says it has to be a sentient being at all? Perhaps forces that are beyond our knowledge were at work before the chain reaction (that we're aware of) began. But who said those forces have to be sentient or a being at all?

Tat2Jr · 08-20-2005, 03:04 PM

It's just as ez for me to believe that the universes has always exisited as it is to believe some higher power made 'em.

NoCarrier · 08-20-2005, 03:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Elli

Why did someone have to do it? You're talking First Mover argument? Who says it has to be a sentient being at all? Perhaps forces that are beyond our knowledge were at work before the chain reaction (that we're aware of) began. But who said those forces have to be sentient or a being at all?

The universe is a recipe. I'm just wondering why there were ingredients in the first place.

And no, I am not a religious person. I just wanted to start a discussion.

LukieD · 08-20-2005, 03:31 PM

EDIT: same point made previously and worded better than me

sacX · 08-20-2005, 03:39 PM

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Originally Posted by NoCarrier

No bullshit reason like

"Well it's just the way it is, no one created anything.. Everything is just a coincidence, there is no God".

Allright, here is the question :

How do you explain the Big Bang?

If there is no "God", why was there a Big Bang?

Let's all forget about religion here.. No Jesus stuff..

I am talking about a poinf of view where a superior intelligent form (God) pushed the button a created a Big Bang.

Atheists would like to understand the reason for 'the big bang' etc also, but saying that God did it is not an explanation. It can't be tested, it just asks more questions e.g. "how was God created" (please no bullshit answer like He just was)

pornguy · 08-20-2005, 03:42 PM

Religion was created to guide the masses, The profit came later.

pornpf69 · 08-20-2005, 03:45 PM

menkind made god!

AdultNex · 08-20-2005, 03:46 PM

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Originally Posted by JuiceMonkey

religion was created to profit. end of story.

Probably not created to profit, but definitely exploited to profit.

VicD · 08-20-2005, 03:47 PM

i don't give a fuck about big or small bangs, i'am alive, i think....

NoCarrier · 08-20-2005, 03:48 PM

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Originally Posted by vicd

i don't give a fuck about big or small bangs, i'am alive, i think....

Hi Max!

fusionx · 08-20-2005, 03:50 PM

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Originally Posted by NoCarrier

The universe is a recipe. I'm just wondering why there were ingredients in the first place.

How do you know there's such a thing as "the first place"?

You're stuck on the concept of time. It doesn't exist outside our sphere of existence.

NoCarrier · 08-20-2005, 03:53 PM

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Originally Posted by fusionx

How do you know there's such a thing as "the first place"?

You're stuck on the concept of time. It doesn't exist outside our sphere of existence.

My question does not include the concept of time. I don't care if the ingredients stagnated into nothingness for eternity, and for no reason, decided to create a Big Bang.

They were STILL there. That's the question.

fusionx · 08-20-2005, 03:55 PM

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Originally Posted by NoCarrier

My question does not include the concept of time. I don't care if the ingredients stagnated into nothingness for eternity.

They were STILL there. That's the question.

stagnated
STILL
eternity

all expression of time. You're still stuck.

When you remove the concept of time, your question is rendered moot.

stev0 · 08-20-2005, 04:01 PM

if there is a "god" ... who created him, and where did they come from?

all questions just lead to more questions, we'll never know.

badmunchkin · 08-20-2005, 04:28 PM

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Originally Posted by fusionx

stagnated
STILL
eternity

all expression of time. You're still stuck.

When you remove the concept of time, your question is rendered moot.

I think you're onto something here. Sorry, I don't have anything else to add ATM but it's making me think.

JamesK2 · 08-20-2005, 04:36 PM

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Originally Posted by BoyAlley

I love how religious people use the "then how do you explain how this happened" reasoning....

Just because science can not yet explain something, doesn't mean that some invisible man is responsible for it.

I'd have to agree with this

wedouglas · 08-20-2005, 04:39 PM

It is impossible to comprehend nothingness. It is also impossible to comprehend inifite things such as the universe. don't bother trying

NoCarrier · 08-20-2005, 04:43 PM

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Originally Posted by stev0

if there is a "god" ... who created him

Originality is not your strongest point as I can see..

Intrigue · 08-20-2005, 04:49 PM

Haven't really thought about this much recently, but perhaps 'time' as we percieve it simply loops if you look at things on a large enough scale, in which case the elements your referring to would be there at the beginning because they have always been.

warning: might need some aspirin to wrap your brain around the concept

Linkster · 08-20-2005, 05:36 PM

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Originally Posted by NoCarrier

I don't want to talk about religion. Thank you.

Re-read my first post.

I re-read your first post that was titled "For those who don't believe in God (Atheists) I need your explanation about something"

I believe you interjected religion into the thread from the outset

And asking for an explanation to something that has never been explained worldwide is ridiculous - while I would love to talk with some here that posted some good answers about time and "human thought constraints" you obviously are just trying to push a religious platform and trying to suck unsuspecting people into arguments for your own superiority complex dinner.

NoCarrier · 08-20-2005, 05:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Linkster

You obviously are just trying to suck unsuspecting people into arguments for your own superiority complex dinner.

OMG!

Seriously, WELCOME TO GFY!

Linkster · 08-20-2005, 06:21 PM

Well thank you for the welcome - I may be an old man but Im pretty sure I've got this posting thing down - lemme go take my enema and fix these damn teeth before they fall out again and I'll be back

nico-t · 08-20-2005, 06:29 PM

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Originally Posted by BoyAlley

Just because science can not yet explain something, doesn't mean that some invisible man is responsible for it.

exactly haha...

chaze · 08-20-2005, 06:39 PM

What's more believable,

Some ghost created earth in seven days for dinosours to rule, then 2 teenagers ate an apple and started the world. And they didn't like the humans living back then either so they killed off all the ugly people ans strted over? Or was adam and eve cave people too?

Or a explosions of the sun created the world.

Dirty Dane · 08-20-2005, 07:11 PM

Even if I am, as you define on earth, an atheist, I believe this is the "simple" answer:

If you combine Darwins theory with the big question "why", you'll discover that individuals are not of importance, but evolution is. The survival is the only thing that matters, and the strongest lifeforms will survive. On early stages (where most earth lifeforms are today), the survival is dependant on physical factors. The individuals can not avoid death, but as I say its not important. The important thing is to avoid the death of evolution, and on later stages this is all dependant on intelligence and right timing.

Now, there are many obstacles to reach this higher "goal". Look at the timelines in our universe; - individuals die after relative little time. - the planets die or change conditions so lifeforms can not live there, or die because they were too early in their evolution. - the suns will burn out and/or explode, resulting in death of many local evolutions..... you can go on and on with bigger scales and finally the hole universe (our) will collapse or fade out.
Sooner or later we will have to get away from our earth. So what we need is energy. Already today we are able to produce positive energy, but from an highly intelligent alien point of view, its still very primitive. Maybe we can time it, maybe not, but point is that some civilizations sooner or later will have the intelligence and power to control energy in a way we can't even imagine.
On the death of our universe, they will be able to create a new universe, because that is the only way evolution can survive. Its birt-death birth-death of evolutions, just like individuals.

Our "God" is not unexplainable. Its lifeforms which has reached the end in their evolution, and ready for rebirth of a new global evolution.
You may ask "who started it all", but there are no starts. Time is repeating itself. Its a circle, not a rollercoaster. Its a scary thought, and you can accept it or you can be seduced by ego and believe in superstition (religion).

Doctor Dre · 08-20-2005, 07:16 PM

The question is : who created god ?

Dirty Dane · 08-20-2005, 07:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Doctor Dre

The question is : who created god ?

No one. There is no God

tristan_D · 08-21-2005, 06:04 PM

all I can say is that I believe in God. I may not share the same concept of God as with other people, but I have one.

2257-Ben · 08-21-2005, 06:06 PM

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Originally Posted by NoCarrier

No bullshit reason like

"Well it's just the way it is, no one created anything.. Everything is just a coincidence, there is no God".

Allright, here is the question :

How do you explain the Big Bang?

If there is no "God", why was there a Big Bang?

Let's all forget about religion here.. No Jesus stuff..

I am talking about a poinf of view where a superior intelligent form (God) pushed the button a created a Big Bang.

I would suggest you read "Mere Christianity" by C.S. Lewis. Lewis was an atheist who came to believe in God through scientific emperical evidence.

Serge Litehead · 08-21-2005, 06:15 PM

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Originally Posted by NoCarrier

I am not asking you how, but why?

it was gods suicide that caused it.
before that everything was peachy.

Serge Litehead · 08-21-2005, 06:21 PM

"Now he has departed from this strange world a little ahead of me. That means nothing. People like us, who believe in physics, know that the distinction between past, present, and future is only a stubbornly persistent illusion." - Albert Einstein

Bill8 · 08-21-2005, 06:35 PM

Physicists and cosmologists have a number of possible explanations for "what existed before the big bang". The big bang theory is just the best theory we've created so far to explain the peculiarities of the universe we see in telescopes.

The most popular theory is that this universe is the end result of a chain of universes- this theory is popular because it explains why the conditions of this universe seem so perfect for the creation of space-time and life.

This kinda pushes the "first cause" question backwards into the "turtles all the way down" category.

But science doesn't try to answer "first cause" questions - it tries to explain observations.

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08-21-2005, 06:35 PM	#100
Bill8 Confirmed User Join Date: Oct 2001 Posts: 1,901	Physicists and cosmologists have a number of possible explanations for "what existed before the big bang". The big bang theory is just the best theory we've created so far to explain the peculiarities of the universe we see in telescopes. The most popular theory is that this universe is the end result of a chain of universes- this theory is popular because it explains why the conditions of this universe seem so perfect for the creation of space-time and life. This kinda pushes the "first cause" question backwards into the "turtles all the way down" category. But science doesn't try to answer "first cause" questions - it tries to explain observations.