brad shaw *is* one enormously fat individual... he's got a point there...

>> I've been using Pay Counter since well since they opened and I haven't seen a dime.

paycounter always payed me, I'd use it if they didn't though don't tell kc!

Funny how someone keeps bringing up the FTC. One could think that they've had some personal experience with that agency, perhaps for their own free trials.

Sorry to see you so bitter FM. I hear you were going on about all this on the radio today, amazes me that a man who should be so busy instead spends so much time trying to stir up shit about other people.

You started with the personal shots, then you say I'm belittling you? ROFLMAO.

KimmyKim get used to it, I'm just getting warmed up :)

KimmyKim, you may have a legit point about FantasyMan, but your still evading the question that you were asked to answer??

Please address and answer them?? I think we are all waiting....

Wiredoctor don't hold your breath :) If she was gonna answer, she already would have done so, the truth is something she won't say because it would not be politically correct.

But don't worry about it, I plan on calling the owner of CCBill, Ron Caldwell tomorrow, maybe he'll answer the question. I'm not going to stop until I get the answers.

I have found in the past, when someone sidesteps a direct question, they do so on purpose, not because they lack intelligence.

Gee, there's a surprise Ron. ;)

By all means call Ron -- it's Cadwell tho, not Caldwell. I bet you saved the number from this time last year ;)

I thought he PINCHED that thing off with one of those LOBSTER CLAWS quite some time ago ... at least that's what rumour has it ...:winkwink:

Great story i bet 20/20 or some other media would pay big bucks for the story.. :winkwink:

I to have made direct notice about such a site MONTHS ago and nothing was ever done. I just got the legal bit run around and im glad that Visa decided to do somthing.

Whos to say whats done to those kids in the process of obtaining this "art" as they call it. Afterall you only see what you define as legal on that site but theres alot more to that side of the industry as a whole. Anyone who takes pics of 6yr olds or finds it to be hott stuff is prob doing more then just photo shoots.

Its more about respect and protecting kids regardless of whats law. Think about how many of those kids were kidnapped and exploited then photographed to make money or raped by their sick parents.

I guess to some people money is more importaint then anything else.

Just my 2 fucking cents..

Fantasyman, thanks and please let us all know the outcome, it's only right that we who keep the processors in business know what slimey shit they allow to go on just for the money.
Also I agree I have seen Kimmy side step more then 1 direct question, shes very very good at her job, I'll give her that. But people lose respect when others can see through their smoke cloud...

I'm wondering if calling in the customs dept, and fcc may help to clear away some of the smoke here??...hummmm

Is it glimpse into the future of this industry when you go to a board, only to see some of the more "accomplished" webmasters flinging shit at one another ???

Hmmmm .... :(

HungryMan it's been going on for a long time.. Nothing new...

Wiredoctor I will get to the bottom of it, that you can be sure and I promise to follow up here. One thing about me, I don't believe in gray areas, it's either white, or black. I'm not so sure how good she is at her job. If her job is bullshitting people, then you are right :)

Hey Martin I will bring the DVD movies over.

LOL! I think you're on pace to get it! LOL!

Wow, A thread directed towards my bro KC about his fine counter, and a day later it's a fricken battle of wits against people that have absolutely nothing to do with Pay Counter and his payouts...LOL..this is truly amazing.....

yup, between that and cross billing (nothing like playing games with people's credit cards to make surfers feel unsafe about pulling theirs out again).

Welcome to the porn biz...between cross billing, bogus free memberships, shaving hits/signups, and general contempt for surfers...it's all about the money.....

Naw Serge came over and ruined everything..lol..

Good Point Lightning ;)

Lens, can you please have one of your guys setup a dedicated server (with a very large hard disk)... So that we can move thise thread ;) I'd hate to waste all your server's space on a damn PAYCOUNTER ACCOUNTING QUESTION!!! ;)

Did anything good come out of this thread at least? I know me and KC are straight ;)

Who do I send the bandwidth bill to???

I'm sure Martin would pay it if he ever got a cheque ....

Sorry KC .. I had to do it :1orglaugh

do a little dance
make a little love
get down tonight
get down tonight
:winkwink:

Ouch... I'll be feeling that one for a few days ;)

Easy there HungryMan...somebody might start bringing up gender questions :Graucho

hehe, sorry man, HAD to do it

:winkwink:

Serge is here, Hooper and enjoying the form FM is in!

VERY good job, gotta give it to the man!:thumbsup

Im interested in the answer as well.

I have seen "webcam" sites being processed by CC BIll which blatantly use the "public domain" line to hide behind. When I questioned this, I Was told Nothing will happen unless the owner of the pics (ifriends) emails CC Bill, which means even though the pics are of my girlfriend a camgirl, ifriends owns the rights and has to make the complaint.... which I think is a cheap way out of that as well...

So someone can steal pics and hide behind "its public domain" they can also use questionable teen content and illegal keywords to harvest "lolita" seekers, and from what the keywords suggest, someone looking for "girls 14-17", and once this is pointed out, the question only becomes dodged and a finger pointing begins, hmm... that's a pretty big accusation.

Kimmykim or someone from CC Bill.... Hold your grudges outside and answer the question or address the issue. I don't know either of you (FM or KK) personally and don't really care to, but I do use CC Bill for my pay sites.

So with all name calling and typical chick/asshole bullshit aside why does this site and its kind continue to operate shielded by CC Bill?

you know KimmyKim, I bet if CCBill was willing to take action and even didn't want to do it publicly, then Fantasymoney may even give you guys a shitpot full of attention about how good of a company CCBill is. You mentioned earlier that he could have e-mailed you... wel, you coulda e-mailed him, too.

CCBill - I am a father of a soon to be teenage girl, and this shit SICKENS ME!!!!! POrn is a business, and as such we should be held accountable to the same standards and ethics as the rest of the Business community. Whether or not Lolita shit can hide behind art, won't protect it from Indecency Acts, since those are based soley on the "Opinion" of the Community.

It is in my opinion, VERY, VERY INDECENT TO EVEN BE AFFILIATED WITH THE EXPLOITATION OF ANY CHILD OR SOMEONE PRETENDING TO BE A CHILD!!!!!

That said, CCBIll, could contact the upstream provider of the sites in question, and I am sure that such a request from a 'reputable', and I use that word loosely, Credit Card Processor, would be taken seriously. So use your proverbial weight and put a stop to this shit.

And for Christ's Sake at least answer such serious allegations with something that sounds like you give a fuck about kids. I've seen pics of you and I bet you've got kids of your own, so think about them when you decide whether or not you are going to take action.

I notice that the fucking url above redirects now to some other young site, so maybe CCBILL did say something to them?! If, so then it would be in CCBill's best interest to make a public statement as to the fact if it is the case.


You may feel annoyed that certain people seem to target you, but that is NO FUCKING excuse to let this shit go unchecked.

I have only been around for almost a year now, and I have to say this KimmyKim, I have yet to see you give an honest serious response to any type of serious allegation. Instead you always come back with some fucking childish remark to try and change the subject. I know that there are enough parents in this "BUsiness", to ensure that you don't get away with it any longer.


MY fucking 2 cents!!!! I'll bet that 2 cents that KimmyKim simply tries to make me look stupid instead of actually responding!!

Any takers?!


SINCERELY,

Derek

Back from the dead..

Fuck I'm sick as mofo...

All i have to say is i have been in the members area of teenagemovies and all the girls are legit over 18 last time i was there.

Sssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssss


Love it when the biggies start slinging dirt at eachother...keep it up guys....I quit watching TV so I need to satisfy my need for voyeuristic rukas :)


PS: Paycounter pays...KC has and always will come through, for that matter so does CE...go with whatever stats ya like best the checks are about the same from what I can tell with ppccounters...


night yall...