do you put faith into the "we cant shave we use NATS" - GoFuckYourself.com

brand0n · 08-17-2005, 07:42 PM

see my pole

pussyluver · 08-17-2005, 07:45 PM

of course not. That Q must be for the noobs...

Fletch XXX · 08-17-2005, 07:45 PM

i shave my head and my balls.

pussyluver · 08-17-2005, 07:46 PM

You either trust a sponsor or you don't.

BellaSeaira · 08-17-2005, 07:47 PM

Anyone can shave if they realy want to. If I don't trust a sponsor I won't use them!!

pussyluver · 08-17-2005, 07:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Fletch XXX

i shave my head and my balls.

Your sig

I could be a rent-a-troll for sure.

brand0n · 08-17-2005, 07:50 PM

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Originally Posted by pussyluver

of course not. That Q must be for the noobs...

im a noob....

newbreed · 08-17-2005, 07:51 PM

First no was me.

TheDoc · 08-17-2005, 07:56 PM

"We can't shave we use NATS" would be correct. I'm not saying "people" who use NATS can't shave. But you can't just remove a webmaster ID from the members table and shave.. NATS puts the ID into many places, hidden away in a few locations.. (Login ID?s, Account Name & Webmaster ID) It?s packed with ways to protect the system. Someone with a damn good coder could build in a shaver, yes.. But MOST NATS owners don't have coders or coders good enough to build a shaver. If they did they would have our own damn software.

99% of the NATS owners can't figure out how to use NATS past the base install, why would anyone think they have the knowledge to build in a shaver?

With that, NATS and no other webmaster has offered me a shaver. Not that I have asked for one, but I haven't even heard rumors of a shaver.

newbreed · 08-17-2005, 08:00 PM

It's been mulled over here before with several ways that a dis-honest program can do it, but it comes down to wether or not a webmaster/affiliate trusts a sponsor or not. No matter what software is used to run a program's backend, the trust had to be there to dispell any beliefs a sponsor would do such a thing.

Pipecrew · 08-17-2005, 08:03 PM

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Originally Posted by TheDoc

"We can't shave we use NATS" would be correct. I'm not saying "people" who use NATS can't shave. But you can't just remove a webmaster ID from the members table and shave.. NATS puts the ID into many places, hidden away in a few locations.. (Login ID?s, Account Name & Webmaster ID) It?s packed with ways to protect the system. Someone with a damn good coder could build in a shaver, yes.. But MOST NATS owners don't have coders or coders good enough to build a shaver. If they did they would have our own damn software.

99% of the NATS owners can't figure out how to use NATS past the base install, why would anyone think they have the knowledge to build in a shaver?

With that, NATS and no other webmaster has offered me a shaver. Not that I have asked for one, but I haven't even heard rumors of a shaver.

Looks like your pretty familiar with nats and the inner workings..

MichaelP · 08-17-2005, 08:05 PM

Even if a sponsor using NATS would find a way to shave, NATS would kick him out of their system, that's for sure

TheDoc · 08-17-2005, 08:09 PM

Past building a coded shaver into NATS, which would be very hard to do..

Yes, you could rip webmaster ID's at any point, yes you could drop the ID on the join pages or post.. BUT.. ""ALL"" that crap is easy to spot. We pass the ID's into the processors; you can look and see if your ID is attached right at the billing join page.

NATS doesn't have a way to "detect" if a webmaster on an account signs up under his own account, go signup, do it once a month, you can ask the owner for permission if you want but they have no way to stop your account from doing it.. Do a few tests on a few cards, make sure shit shows up on your account.

lchaim · 08-17-2005, 08:11 PM

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Originally Posted by pussyluver

of course not. That Q must be for the noobs...

totally

Sly · 08-17-2005, 08:12 PM

I'm going to buy TheDoc a razor for Christmas. Is Norelco fine?

I really don't pay much attention to "shaving". If I make money with a sponsor, I send traffic. If I don't make money, I don't send traffic. Its really that simple for me.

TheDoc · 08-17-2005, 08:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Pipecrew

Looks like your pretty familiar with nats and the inner workings..

Aye, I know it pretty well.. Not as good as Nathan and Boris, but well enough.. I get asked on how to do stuff and where stuff is in NATS all the time..

If I saw someone shaving, caught someone shaving, or if I heard rumors of a shaver.. You can damn well bet I wouldn't stand for it.. I would have no issues with blasting a scamming program.

TheDoc · 08-17-2005, 08:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Sly

I'm going to buy TheDoc a razor for Christmas. Is Norelco fine?

I really don't pay much attention to "shaving". If I make money with a sponsor, I send traffic. If I don't make money, I don't send traffic. Its really that simple for me.

That's how it should be done.. Plenty of honest people I don't think shave but I can't convert.. so I just move on. Plenty of people I could convert but can't convert now.. Again, I just move on..

And I don't use razors.. I like clippers

fuzebox · 08-17-2005, 08:15 PM

It would be difficult but very possible. Like said already, trust the company, not the software.

It's kind of funny, I've received ICQs from anonymous people asking me if I could incorporate the shaving ability. I couldn't share the names if I wanted to, they seemed like new accounts with made up names haha.

fuzebox · 08-17-2005, 08:18 PM

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Originally Posted by TheDoc

Aye, I know it pretty well.. Not as good as Nathan and Boris, but well enough.. I get asked on how to do stuff and where stuff is in NATS all the time..

I challenge you to a duel...

SmokeyTheBear · 08-17-2005, 08:19 PM

a simple tag inserted on a timer on the join pages. Maybe a few minutes out of each day on a schedule <img src=gif.gif onload="window.open('http://www.samesite.com/?defaultnatscode','_top')"> done and done, shave implemented. Very little experience required to pull it off, if anyone noticed it would only be the one split second and when they retried it , it would work fine.If anyone else tried it , it would work fine also.

The only true test is to actually try it constantly ( test signups )and have your sponsor ok with that .

This example is just one way , but tons of others have been mentioned and would work.

SmokeyTheBear · 08-17-2005, 08:25 PM

and on nats this wouldn't be very hard as the nats affil code changes for every sponsors niche /promotion so you might have to keep track of dozens of affil codes to monitor in order to know if your code is swapped, that has to be the most annoying part ( and i do realise you can use uncoded affil links , but those aren't offered by default )

fuzebox · 08-17-2005, 08:30 PM

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Originally Posted by SmokeyTheBear

a simple tag inserted on a timer on the join pages. Maybe a few minutes out of each day on a schedule <img src=gif.gif onload="window.open('http://www.samesite.com/?defaultnatscode','_top')"> done and done, shave implemented. Very little experience required to pull it off, if anyone noticed it would only be the one split second and when they retried it , it would work fine.If anyone else tried it , it would work fine also.

The only true test is to actually try it constantly ( test signups )and have your sponsor ok with that .

This example is just one way , but tons of others have been mentioned and would work.

Smokey you're so low tech.

TheDoc · 08-17-2005, 08:35 PM

SmokeyTheBear, you are wrong, you can?t just replace the webmaster ID on the join page, it won?t work. NATS pulls cookies by default. So they would have to reset the NATS cookie, which they can?t do. NATS also will break on the join page if the program ID and SITE ID don't match correctly. The system tracks the ID, hard links are only used as a failsafe.

nojob · 08-17-2005, 08:42 PM

I have seen many affiliate program backends where the account reps woud even tell you how to shave. Who would want to deal with companies like that? NATS does not have the options built in to do it. I know I would not use any program that had these options. There is no secret passcode to get in and change the coding of NATS. Of course if you wanted to try and hack the code, maybe you could find a way. Maybe fris is for hire? So Stop hating on NATS!

SmokeyTheBear · 08-17-2005, 08:48 PM

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Originally Posted by TheDoc

SmokeyTheBear, you are wrong, you can?t just replace the webmaster ID on the join page, it won?t work. NATS pulls cookies by default. So they would have to reset the NATS cookie, which they can?t do. NATS also will break on the join page if the program ID and SITE ID don't match correctly. The system tracks the ID, hard links are only used as a failsafe.

Your not replacing anything , your closing the previous join window and opening the same window but with a different nats code. Once the new window is opened with the new nats code the cookie is replaced with a new cookie. ( as far as i know ) if not then if i send traffic to a nats sponsor and they already have a nats cookie for that sponsor i'm not getting credit , and this would be much worse..

I saw something like this take place already on a nats sponsor so i know it to be how it works ( at least to the visible eye ) When realitycash had a few problems on the fhg's the nats codes were different on the same page.

TheDoc · 08-17-2005, 08:54 PM

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Originally Posted by SmokeyTheBear

Your not replacing anything , your closing the previous join window and opening the same window but with a different nats code. Once the new window is opened with the new nats code the cookie is replaced with a new cookie. ( as far as i know ) if not then if i send traffic to a nats sponsor and they already have a nats cookie for that sponsor i'm not getting credit , and this would be much worse..

I saw something like this take place already on a nats sponsor so i know it to be how it works ( at least to the visible eye ) When realitycash had a few problems on the fhg's the nats codes were different on the same page.

The cookie isn't set on the join page, or reset.. They would have rebuild the linking code and send back to the site for the cookie to change.

As for Realitycash, and fhg's, fhg's don't set cookies, the cookie is set after they click a link from the gallery. Soooo... If the ID was incorrect at the gallery it would come to the site with the wrong ID. This is part of an issue with the sponsor, not nats.. Or you could look at as NATS not having a solid way to track FHG's better, rather no system at all currently.

lloyd · 08-17-2005, 09:03 PM

the real reason you cant shave is because your ratios will suck if you start shaving sales. why anyone would want to is beyond me when there are hundreds of other affiliate programs competing for your traffic.

if you really wanted though im sure you could do something with triggers thats more effective than the js suggestions previously mentioned.

colpanic · 08-17-2005, 09:05 PM

If I have access to the SQL database, I can shave.

End of story.

TheDoc · 08-17-2005, 09:09 PM

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Originally Posted by colpanic

If I have access to the SQL database, I can shave.

End of story.

Sorry you are incorrect.. The post happens and the join is reported through software which posts to a few tables with a few different ID's / member info attached. Every table, from join page hits, join reports, ip reports, etc would have to be changed. Once you modify one set of data and it doesn't match up with other data NATS breaks, once NATS breaks you have to have them fix it.. Then your ass is busted.

Niqqer · 08-17-2005, 09:10 PM

Using Nats seems like a perfet way to shave. Install the software, modify some shit, and tell everyone that you don't shave whilst skimming 40% plus.

SmokeyTheBear · 08-17-2005, 09:11 PM

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Originally Posted by TheDoc

The cookie isn't set on the join page, or reset.. They would have rebuild the linking code and send back to the site for the cookie to change.

As for Realitycash, and fhg's, fhg's don't set cookies, the cookie is set after they click a link from the gallery. Soooo... If the ID was incorrect at the gallery it would come to the site with the wrong ID. This is part of an issue with the sponsor, not nats.. Or you could look at as NATS not having a solid way to track FHG's better, rather no system at all currently.

ok heres a better example

http://gfy.webspacemania.com/nats

the normal girlshuntinggirls site is in a frame so this example is pretty close.

Assuming a user doesn't have a cookie yet and clicks a link to girlshuntinggirls.. ( example above)

The NATS code is MTEyNjo1OjU

Using basically the method i outlined above the page quickly turns into a different nats code http://ww2.girlshuntinggirls.com/track/MjgxMDo1OjU/

The code switching would be done on the ghg frame itself ( not on the join page )

Who's code do you see and who do you think would get credit ?

but i mean really it isnt even an argument ( or shouldnt be ) a sponsor can simply 404 all their fhg's to a list of hardcoded fhg's on a cronjob for 30 seconds every hour

If the question is Can a nats sponsor shave the answer as anyone should know is yes. Does nats program in a shave or leave holes open with the intention of sponsors shaving ( the important fact here ). NO

TheDoc · 08-17-2005, 09:13 PM

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Originally Posted by ******

Using Nats seems like a perfet way to shave. Install the software, modify some shit, and tell everyone that you don't shave whilst skimming 40% plus.

Wow 20 posts.. Another fake nick owner being a fag.

SmokeyTheBear · 08-17-2005, 09:14 PM

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Originally Posted by lloyd

if you really wanted though im sure you could do something with triggers thats more effective than the js suggestions previously mentioned.

Yes i was pointing out a nobrainer simple example just to show that any shmoe could do it with simple html , and most likely not get caught.

if you wanted to be clever theres hundreds of better schemes you could pull ( not mentioned here for obvious reasons )

Niqqer · 08-17-2005, 09:16 PM

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Originally Posted by TheDoc

Wow 20 posts.. Another fake nick owner being a fag.

20 posts doesn't automatically equal fake nick, you stupid fuck.

Are you trying to say that there is absolutely NO truth to my previous post?

TheDoc · 08-17-2005, 09:23 PM

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Originally Posted by ******

20 posts doesn't automatically equal fake nick, you stupid fuck.

Are you trying to say that there is absolutely NO truth to my previous post?

100000% no truth.. You can't modify any code in NATS and SQL data is split up and keyed together so it can be changed. At that, most don't even have access to the database..

TheDoc · 08-17-2005, 09:26 PM

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Originally Posted by SmokeyTheBear

Yes i was pointing out a nobrainer simple example just to show that any shmoe could do it with simple html , and most likely not get caught.

if you wanted to be clever theres hundreds of better schemes you could pull ( not mentioned here for obvious reasons )

I do agree that people could figure out a way, from 404ing galleries, rebuild codes, repop pages, flip IDs at galleries, etc.. But.. that kind of crap will get your ass called out. Someone will notice it. Other sponsors have been called out for crap like that in the past.. Webmasters check for that crap..

If anything, webmasters should check more often, not to see if they are getting shaved, but to make sure us program owners don't make mistakes.

SmokeyTheBear · 08-17-2005, 09:29 PM

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Originally Posted by TheDoc

I do agree that people could figure out a way, from 404ing galleries, rebuild codes, repop pages, flip IDs at galleries, etc.. But.. that kind of crap will get your ass called out. Someone will notice it. Other sponsors have been called out for crap like that in the past.. Webmasters check for that crap..

If anything, webmasters should check more often, not to see if they are getting shaved, but to make sure us program owners don't make mistakes.

exactly why my point about nats having to have so many different codes in place.

Its really easy when i can look for MYIDCODE not 100 different codes for each sponsor.

Infact its a real downer when im moving stuff around having to check back in for the nats code instead of just going to the site copying the link and swapping in my code.

mrkris · 08-17-2005, 09:33 PM

Hmmm ... that gives me some ideas for some anti-shave measures for my setup ... so when I distribute it, it will do its best to prevent shaving ...

SmokeyTheBear · 08-17-2005, 09:35 PM

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Originally Posted by TheDoc

I do agree that people could figure out a way, from 404ing galleries, rebuild codes, repop pages, flip IDs at galleries, etc.. But.. that kind of crap will get your ass called out. Someone will notice it. Other sponsors have been called out for crap like that in the past.. Webmasters check for that crap..

If anything, webmasters should check more often, not to see if they are getting shaved, but to make sure us program owners don't make mistakes.

nah i could build one that would be hard as crap to catch , and even if it did , it would only happen once

( designer error, program error etc excuse excuse we have all heard before , easily explained away .)

I'm not going to go into any details as i dont want to give anyone any ideas, but , simple fact is having nats or executive stats or any other affil program manager isn't going to make shaving impossible.

That doesn't mean people can't have "gut" feelings. I don't seem to trust to many sponsors that woud use " we use nats we can't shave" as a slogan , it reeks of " we are shaving but you can't figure it out or don't have the time to ,or we think your so stupid you wont know any better"

SmokeyTheBear · 08-17-2005, 09:37 PM

people should instead focus on what nats has to offer , and it has some great tools/features, and what nats is lacking ( very few things )

colpanic · 08-17-2005, 09:39 PM

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Originally Posted by TheDoc

Sorry you are incorrect.. The post happens and the join is reported through software which posts to a few tables with a few different ID's / member info attached. Every table, from join page hits, join reports, ip reports, etc would have to be changed. Once you modify one set of data and it doesn't match up with other data NATS breaks, once NATS breaks you have to have them fix it.. Then your ass is busted.

Not trying to be a dick (and I don't use nats, or any other affiliate program).. but bear with me.

It's still just a data transformation, and once you figured out how to do it, you could do it the same way every time. It might not be easy, but it's sure as hell possible.

I'm not saying this as a negative thing for NATS at all... it's just a fact of SQL databases... I'm sure the NATS guys would admit the same thing. (as would every other affiliate program that uses SQL).

The only way any software could pull it off would be either some encrypted database, or by reporting back something like MD5 data to a remote server not maintained by the site.

lloyd · 08-17-2005, 09:46 PM

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Originally Posted by SmokeyTheBear

Yes i was pointing out a nobrainer simple example just to show that any shmoe could do it with simple html , and most likely not get caught.

if you wanted to be clever theres hundreds of better schemes you could pull ( not mentioned here for obvious reasons )

eheh ya i wasnt looking to bust your balls, just had to throw that in to be a smart ass ;)

my point was really the first part of my post that a sponsor has to really have balls to shave sales in such a competitive market. we're all agreed that if you really want to shave you can.. "where theres a will theres a way"

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08-17-2005, 07:42 PM	#1
brand0n been very busy Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: the queen city Posts: 26,983	do you put faith into the "we cant shave we use NATS" see my pole __________________ want to buy this spot for cheap? it is of course for sale. long term deals are always the best bet. brand0n/ at/ a o l dot commies.

08-17-2005, 07:45 PM	#3
Fletch XXX GFY HALL OF FAME DAMMIT!!! Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: that 504 Posts: 60,840	i shave my head and my balls. __________________ Want an Android App for your tube, membership, or free site? Need banners or promo material? Hit us up (ICQ Fletch: 148841377) or email me fletchxxx at gmail.com - recent work - About me

08-17-2005, 07:47 PM	#5
BellaSeaira Confirmed User Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Texas Posts: 339	Anyone can shave if they realy want to. If I don't trust a sponsor I won't use them!! __________________ Submit Galleries Here!! ICQ: 305781334

08-17-2005, 07:51 PM	#8
newbreed Confirmed User Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: ThatOneProgram.com Posts: 9,898	First no was me. __________________ Want to promote SUCCUBUS? Click HERE!!!! \| Want to buy SUCCUBUS? Click HERE!!!! Yeah, yeah, you know, That One Program! \| Want to trade links with StompBunny.com? Loryn ‎(3:16 PM): I love it, just as long as we keep the bedroom door closed from all ears then we can have throw down hard core sex that makes us money haha fuck it we can have sex on money never did that before

08-17-2005, 07:45 PM	#2
pussyluver Clueless OleMan Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: ICQ - 169903487 Posts: 11,009	of course not. That Q must be for the noobs...

08-17-2005, 07:46 PM	#4
pussyluver Clueless OleMan Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: ICQ - 169903487 Posts: 11,009	You either trust a sponsor or you don't.

08-17-2005, 07:56 PM	#9
TheDoc Too lazy to set a custom title Industry Role: Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Currently Incognito Posts: 13,827	"We can't shave we use NATS" would be correct. I'm not saying "people" who use NATS can't shave. But you can't just remove a webmaster ID from the members table and shave.. NATS puts the ID into many places, hidden away in a few locations.. (Login ID?s, Account Name & Webmaster ID) It?s packed with ways to protect the system. Someone with a damn good coder could build in a shaver, yes.. But MOST NATS owners don't have coders or coders good enough to build a shaver. If they did they would have our own damn software. 99% of the NATS owners can't figure out how to use NATS past the base install, why would anyone think they have the knowledge to build in a shaver? With that, NATS and no other webmaster has offered me a shaver. Not that I have asked for one, but I haven't even heard rumors of a shaver. __________________ ~TheDoc - ICQ7765825 It's all disambiguation Last edited by TheDoc; 08-17-2005 at 07:57 PM..

08-17-2005, 08:00 PM	#10
newbreed Confirmed User Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: ThatOneProgram.com Posts: 9,898	It's been mulled over here before with several ways that a dis-honest program can do it, but it comes down to wether or not a webmaster/affiliate trusts a sponsor or not. No matter what software is used to run a program's backend, the trust had to be there to dispell any beliefs a sponsor would do such a thing. __________________ Want to promote SUCCUBUS? Click HERE!!!! \| Want to buy SUCCUBUS? Click HERE!!!! Yeah, yeah, you know, That One Program! \| Want to trade links with StompBunny.com? Loryn ‎(3:16 PM): I love it, just as long as we keep the bedroom door closed from all ears then we can have throw down hard core sex that makes us money haha fuck it we can have sex on money never did that before

08-17-2005, 08:05 PM	#12
MichaelP Registered User Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: QWEBEC Corporate Office Posts: 7,124	Even if a sponsor using NATS would find a way to shave, NATS would kick him out of their system, that's for sure

08-17-2005, 08:09 PM	#13
TheDoc Too lazy to set a custom title Industry Role: Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Currently Incognito Posts: 13,827	Past building a coded shaver into NATS, which would be very hard to do.. Yes, you could rip webmaster ID's at any point, yes you could drop the ID on the join pages or post.. BUT.. ""ALL"" that crap is easy to spot. We pass the ID's into the processors; you can look and see if your ID is attached right at the billing join page. NATS doesn't have a way to "detect" if a webmaster on an account signs up under his own account, go signup, do it once a month, you can ask the owner for permission if you want but they have no way to stop your account from doing it.. Do a few tests on a few cards, make sure shit shows up on your account. __________________ ~TheDoc - ICQ7765825 It's all disambiguation

08-17-2005, 08:12 PM	#15
Sly Let's do some business! Industry Role: Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Austin, TX Posts: 31,349	I'm going to buy TheDoc a razor for Christmas. Is Norelco fine? I really don't pay much attention to "shaving". If I make money with a sponsor, I send traffic. If I don't make money, I don't send traffic. Its really that simple for me. __________________ Vacares - Web Hosting, Domains, O365, Security & More - Paxum and BTC Accepted Windows VPS now available Great for TSS, Nifty Stats, remote work, virtual assistants, etc. Click here for more details.

08-17-2005, 08:15 PM	#18
fuzebox making it rain Industry Role: Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: seattle Posts: 22,167	It would be difficult but very possible. Like said already, trust the company, not the software. It's kind of funny, I've received ICQs from anonymous people asking me if I could incorporate the shaving ability. I couldn't share the names if I wanted to, they seemed like new accounts with made up names haha.

08-17-2005, 08:19 PM	#20
SmokeyTheBear ►SouthOfHeaven Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: PlanetEarth MyBoardRank: GerbilMaster My-Penis-Size: extralarge MyWeapon: Computer Posts: 28,609	a simple tag inserted on a timer on the join pages. Maybe a few minutes out of each day on a schedule <img src=gif.gif onload="window.open('http://www.samesite.com/?defaultnatscode','_top')"> done and done, shave implemented. Very little experience required to pull it off, if anyone noticed it would only be the one split second and when they retried it , it would work fine.If anyone else tried it , it would work fine also. The only true test is to actually try it constantly ( test signups )and have your sponsor ok with that . This example is just one way , but tons of others have been mentioned and would work. __________________ hatisblack at yahoo.com

08-17-2005, 08:25 PM	#21
SmokeyTheBear ►SouthOfHeaven Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: PlanetEarth MyBoardRank: GerbilMaster My-Penis-Size: extralarge MyWeapon: Computer Posts: 28,609	and on nats this wouldn't be very hard as the nats affil code changes for every sponsors niche /promotion so you might have to keep track of dozens of affil codes to monitor in order to know if your code is swapped, that has to be the most annoying part ( and i do realise you can use uncoded affil links , but those aren't offered by default ) __________________ hatisblack at yahoo.com

08-17-2005, 08:35 PM	#23
TheDoc Too lazy to set a custom title Industry Role: Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Currently Incognito Posts: 13,827	SmokeyTheBear, you are wrong, you can?t just replace the webmaster ID on the join page, it won?t work. NATS pulls cookies by default. So they would have to reset the NATS cookie, which they can?t do. NATS also will break on the join page if the program ID and SITE ID don't match correctly. The system tracks the ID, hard links are only used as a failsafe. __________________ ~TheDoc - ICQ7765825 It's all disambiguation

08-17-2005, 08:42 PM	#24
nojob The Original NoJob Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Jerzzey Posts: 3,682	I have seen many affiliate program backends where the account reps woud even tell you how to shave. Who would want to deal with companies like that? NATS does not have the options built in to do it. I know I would not use any program that had these options. There is no secret passcode to get in and change the coding of NATS. Of course if you wanted to try and hack the code, maybe you could find a way. Maybe fris is for hire? So Stop hating on NATS!

08-17-2005, 09:03 PM	#27
lloyd Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: May 2002 Location: 858/604 Posts: 798	the real reason you cant shave is because your ratios will suck if you start shaving sales. why anyone would want to is beyond me when there are hundreds of other affiliate programs competing for your traffic. if you really wanted though im sure you could do something with triggers thats more effective than the js suggestions previously mentioned.

08-17-2005, 09:05 PM	#28
colpanic Confirmed User Join Date: May 2004 Location: San Diego, CA Posts: 1,007	If I have access to the SQL database, I can shave. End of story. __________________ I like ducks.

08-17-2005, 09:10 PM	#30
Niqqer For cybersex, do I need a hole in my monitor? Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: USA Posts: 213	Using Nats seems like a perfet way to shave. Install the software, modify some shit, and tell everyone that you don't shave whilst skimming 40% plus. __________________ SIG TOO BIG! Maximum 120x60 button and no more than 3 text lines of DEFAULT SIZE and COLOR. Unless your sig is for a GFY top banner sponsor, then you may use a 624x80 instead of a 120x60.

08-17-2005, 09:33 PM	#38
mrkris Confirmed User Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 2,737	Hmmm ... that gives me some ideas for some anti-shave measures for my setup ... so when I distribute it, it will do its best to prevent shaving ... __________________ PHP-MySQL-Rails \| ICQ: 342500546

08-17-2005, 09:37 PM	#40
SmokeyTheBear ►SouthOfHeaven Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: PlanetEarth MyBoardRank: GerbilMaster My-Penis-Size: extralarge MyWeapon: Computer Posts: 28,609	people should instead focus on what nats has to offer , and it has some great tools/features, and what nats is lacking ( very few things ) __________________ hatisblack at yahoo.com