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spanky part 2 · 08-16-2005, 05:06 PM

What would happen if tgp's and free sites were outlawed today.

My bet is we would all make a shitload more money.

I get so sick of trying to sell shit, when there is so much free porn everywhere.

It would be like trying to sell cars when every car dealer is giving out 10 day test drives.

Dalai lama · 08-16-2005, 05:30 PM

no more tgps. no more gallery makers, no more advertising money ( thehun/sleazydream ect and anyone else selling traffic/banner spots ), less design work for designers. less traffic ?

Maybe less tgps.

boneprone · 08-16-2005, 06:43 PM

All the smart and big TGPers would still make your life rough, and you'd still be playing the victum as you do now, we would evolve into other aspects of the biz, and still be above you taking your money and making it hard on you as you seem to be expressing now..

ITs not TGPs that are holding you back from making $$...

Its you...

Adapt and Evolve or be overtaken.

wjxxx · 08-16-2005, 06:53 PM

thaifan99 · 08-16-2005, 07:08 PM

Live with it or leave it.

TheMilkman · 08-16-2005, 07:27 PM

Spunky · 08-16-2005, 07:29 PM

Try the TGP2 style of galleries,and bombard the leeches with popups

tony286 · 08-16-2005, 07:31 PM

No tgps wouldnt effect me one way or another .Never had any luck with themlol

spanky part 2 · 08-16-2005, 07:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by boneprone

All the smart and big TGPers would still make your life rough, and you'd still be playing the victum as you do now, we would evolve into other aspects of the biz, and still be above you taking your money and making it hard on you as you seem to be expressing now..

ITs not TGPs that are holding you back from making $$...

Its you...

Adapt and Evolve or be overtaken.

I never said I wasn't making money. I'm doing very well, thank you for worrying tho.

I'm just trying to point out how stupid it is to be giving more and more away. The movies are getting longer, and the galleries getting more hardcore.

Go into any bakery and get a sample of the cake, you get one bite not the whole fucking cake and the pie next to it.

I'm just trying to point out how fucking stupid it is to be giving so much shit away.

Go ahead and slam me for saying what you all know to be true.
Think about it from the tgp owners mind, and I am one.
If the traffic was so fucking valuable, why would they be selling banners and spots. Wouldn't you keep it for yourself and make coin.

It's all coming to an end, and no one sees it.

Kisses

fusionx · 08-16-2005, 08:02 PM

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Originally Posted by spanky part 2

... If the traffic was so fucking valuable, why would they be selling banners and spots. Wouldn't you keep it for yourself and make coin....

No. Some people are good at converting galleries. Some people are good at selling spots. The market is not as simple as you seem to believe.

MrVids · 08-16-2005, 08:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by boneprone

All the smart and big TGPers would still make your life rough, and you'd still be playing the victum as you do now, we would evolve into other aspects of the biz, and still be above you taking your money and making it hard on you as you seem to be expressing now..

ITs not TGPs that are holding you back from making $$...

Its you...

Adapt and Evolve or be overtaken.

spoken like a true ninja of "the industry"

boneprone is now my favorite person for the day.

spanky, your focus is too narrow. back in the day before TGP's there were less people making more money, now it's kill or be killed. If TGP's were outlawed, it would all go back to the newsgroups. If you think converting TGP traffic is hard, try converting newsgroups. You'll see your entire site free to download and not be able to do a single thing about it but sit there and wish there were a safer more effective way to market to the masses, that would pull them away from news groups.

Freakster · 08-16-2005, 08:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by spanky part 2

What would happen if tgp's and free sites were outlawed today.

My bet is we would all make a shitload more money.

I get so sick of trying to sell shit, when there is so much free porn everywhere.

It would be like trying to sell cars when every car dealer is giving out 10 day test drives.

yes, international outlaw, sure.

fris · 08-16-2005, 08:06 PM

its having an idea that sells.

traffic will come. brainstorm. lying in bed and you think of that idea.

mainstream traffic is much easier to come by, and worth more.

mardigras · 08-16-2005, 08:32 PM

If TGPs and free sites suddenly disappeared tomorrow there would be an explosion of P2P software and people learning how to use usenet binary downloaders

spanky part 2 · 08-16-2005, 08:41 PM

You guys are taking every thing way to literally.

Then again I am trying to talk biz at GFY.

My point is, that less is more. Less hardcore = more$$$

Getting rid of tgps is a ridiculous thing to say, and will never happen.

When are people gonna realize that free porn is like a loss leader in a store. They advertise some piece of shit that alot of people will want for less than cost, because they know that they will buy more shit when they are there.

Business 101 people. Upsell, tease but don't please.

whitey · 08-16-2005, 09:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by spanky part 2

You guys are taking every thing way to literally.

Then again I am trying to talk biz at GFY.

My point is, that less is more. Less hardcore = more$$$

Getting rid of tgps is a ridiculous thing to say, and will never happen.

When are people gonna realize that free porn is like a loss leader in a store. They advertise some piece of shit that alot of people will want for less than cost, because they know that they will buy more shit when they are there.

Business 101 people. Upsell, tease but don't please.

People have been saying the same thing since 1997. It never changes.

Learn how to sell and you will make money.

AmateurFlix · 08-16-2005, 09:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by spanky part 2

Business 101 people. Upsell, tease but don't please.

Sssshhh....

MrVids · 08-16-2005, 09:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by spanky part 2

You guys are taking every thing way to literally.

you got a point, people are acting like you named the thread "No more TGP's"

SleazyDream · 08-16-2005, 10:05 PM

woulda coulda shoulda

you'd whine that my tours gave away too much then - or that i had some other unfair advantage.

fact is - you don't know how to sell.

naitirps · 08-16-2005, 10:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MrVids

... If you think converting TGP traffic is hard, try converting newsgroups. You'll see your entire site free to download and not be able to do a single thing about it but sit there and wish there were a safer more effective way to market to the masses, that would pull them away from news groups.

ahem, correction, www.smutlounge.com

killerkay · 08-16-2005, 10:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by boneprone

All the smart and big TGPers would still make your life rough, and you'd still be playing the victum as you do now, we would evolve into other aspects of the biz, and still be above you taking your money and making it hard on you as you seem to be expressing now..

ITs not TGPs that are holding you back from making $$...

Its you...

Adapt and Evolve or be overtaken.

good post... im with ya

wedouglas · 08-16-2005, 10:15 PM

TGP traffic blows because it is exactly whats in the members area. You can find every set for any site for free by browsing TGPs. Why pay for what you can get for free?

I think this post is kind of off topic, but I think it should be said in any TGP related thread.

aleck · 08-17-2005, 12:34 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by spanky part 2

What would happen if tgp's and free sites were outlawed today.

My bet is we would all make a shitload more money.

I get so sick of trying to sell shit, when there is so much free porn everywhere.

It would be like trying to sell cars when every car dealer is giving out 10 day test drives.

what would happen if car dealers and test drives were outlawed today?

Bike · 08-17-2005, 12:42 AM

There's no money in porn anymore, especially not in TGP traffic

It's funny to see how clueless some of you are

If you only knew how much you can make with TGP's...

VeriSexy · 08-17-2005, 01:01 AM

TGPs are fine but their requirements really suck. Surfers are getting 3 MB movies now

viking1 · 08-17-2005, 01:43 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bike

There's no money in porn anymore, especially not in TGP traffic

It's funny to see how clueless some of you are

If you only knew how much you can make with TGP's...

so true,so true

aleck · 08-17-2005, 02:12 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by VeriSexy

TGPs are fine but their requirements really suck. Surfers are getting 3 MB movies now

guess what? ones who are on dialup still prefer pics and ones on broadband won't get enough from a 10 sec movie.

assmunk · 08-17-2005, 03:19 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by boneprone

All the smart and big TGPers would still make your life rough, and you'd still be playing the victum as you do now, we would evolve into other aspects of the biz, and still be above you taking your money and making it hard on you as you seem to be expressing now..

ITs not TGPs that are holding you back from making $$...

Its you...

Adapt and Evolve or be overtaken.

What he said...

spanky part 2 · 08-17-2005, 04:24 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bike

There's no money in porn anymore, especially not in TGP traffic

It's funny to see how clueless some of you are

If you only knew how much you can make with TGP's...

Yep, fucking clueless. You have absolutely no business acumen, if you can't understand what I am saying. Let me say it in GFY speak. "Would you hit it"

Like i said talking business on GFY with the high school dropouts, is sometimes funny.

David - PG · 08-17-2005, 05:36 AM

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Originally Posted by spanky part 2

Yep, fucking clueless. You have absolutely no business acumen, if you can't understand what I am saying. Let me say it in GFY speak. "Would you hit it"

Like i said talking business on GFY with the high school dropouts, is sometimes funny.

Let me ask one thing though.

Why can I download and listen to 100,000s of mp3 music samples on Amazon.com and they keep adding more and more, and in bumped up quality? Surely they're idiots, too.

Furious_Female · 08-17-2005, 05:54 AM

In 2000 I made $50k that year from one set of softcore pics with an AVS (SexKey) and only got $10/sale. The same type of pics can be seen for free on any TGP a million times over. I adapt of course but it still brings a tear to my eye.

janosik · 08-17-2005, 06:01 AM

Agree .. good old times are definitely lost

But you can still try SEO if you don't like TGPs. There are still newbie surfers who have no idea that there are some TGPs

Bake · 08-17-2005, 06:13 AM

Only dumb fucks and people who have never learnt to market tgp's aks this question,
for me its extra money.
Witch are you ? to dumb to market
or dont know how?

Bake · 08-17-2005, 06:32 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by spanky part 2

You guys are taking every thing way to literally.

Then again I am trying to talk biz at GFY.

My point is, that less is more. Less hardcore = more$$$

Getting rid of tgps is a ridiculous thing to say, and will never happen.

When are people gonna realize that free porn is like a loss leader in a store. They advertise some piece of shit that alot of people will want for less than cost, because they know that they will buy more shit when they are there.

Business 101 people. Upsell, tease but don't please.

They said this in 97 ,98 and still today the net is what it is, market it the way you want dont bitch just fucking do it If your clueless dont blaim the game move on. Ive had enought of whiny bitches complianing tgp is the devil well if tgp is the devil dont fucking play there.

spanky part 2 · 08-17-2005, 06:41 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bake

Only dumb fucks and people who have never learnt to market tgp's aks this question,
for me its extra money.
Witch are you ? to dumb to market
or dont know how?

Speaking of dumb fucks who never made it past middle school.

Learnt- not a word unless you are from Mississippi and think that axe means asked. Try learned.

Witch is for halloween - which is the word you are looking for.

Maybe with your education and background, spell check might be a good option.

AmateurFlix · 08-17-2005, 07:03 AM

You know, alot of people in this thread seem to be of this "adapt and evolve" attitude but then viciously defend against any criticism of their current business model. Some of you guys posting in this thread have alot of traffic on your sites, but do you honestly think that any of you are using the ultimate business model for making use of TGP traffic? That there can be no better way of marketing than you are doing now? That you have no need to adapt or evolve to the fact that there's so much free hardcore available that only 1:25k to 1:50k vitiors to a gallery are likely to buy something?

This business model is like that of a vendor who only sells one beverage at a football stadium filled with 50,000 people and decides to start selling at more stadiums to increase revenue instead of figuring out why they're not selling more where they're at.

Sales on my TGP nearly quadrupled after removing the hardcore and making no other significant changes. My site still trades with sites that have tons of hardcore galleries. I just quit giving away what I'm trying to sell on my site. I post softcore instead of hardcore and the sales ratios improve. I give out less free pictures on a gallery and the sales ratios improve. Is it really that hard to understand why that is?

rogerbo · 08-17-2005, 07:20 AM

the wohle discustion started the same when thumb TGP's did emerge, Oh tomuch giving away and we don't make anymore money. Learn how to Tweake your TGP and you'll make nice $$, and i don't want to know how many Paysites would have Problems to get the Surfers without the TGP's. In the old days 96,97 and so there where the Hun (TGP ) Persian Kitty and a few TGP's Link collections which where known. Today there are thousends of Sites which do help drive Surfers to paysites even new ones and small ones so many more Ppl. do make $$ today then 10 Years ago. So live with that and adopt your marketing to it and all is fine.

spanky part 2 · 08-17-2005, 07:26 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AmateurFlix

You know, alot of people in this thread seem to be of this "adapt and evolve" attitude but then viciously defend against any criticism of their current business model. Some of you guys posting in this thread have alot of traffic on your sites, but do you honestly think that any of you are using the ultimate business model for making use of TGP traffic? That there can be no better way of marketing than you are doing now? That you have no need to adapt or evolve to the fact that there's so much free hardcore available that only 1:25k to 1:50k vitiors to a gallery are likely to buy something?

This business model is like that of a vendor who only sells one beverage at a football stadium filled with 50,000 people and decides to start selling at more stadiums to increase revenue instead of figuring out why they're not selling more where they're at.

Sales on my TGP nearly quadrupled after removing the hardcore and making no other significant changes. My site still trades with sites that have tons of hardcore galleries. I just quit giving away what I'm trying to sell on my site. I post softcore instead of hardcore and the sales ratios improve. I give out less free pictures on a gallery and the sales ratios improve. Is it really that hard to understand why that is?

Now this is a very smart person.

08-16-2005, 05:06 PM	#1
spanky part 2 Confirmed User Join Date: Oct 2003 Posts: 1,981	No More TGP's What would happen if tgp's and free sites were outlawed today. My bet is we would all make a shitload more money. I get so sick of trying to sell shit, when there is so much free porn everywhere. It would be like trying to sell cars when every car dealer is giving out 10 day test drives.

08-16-2005, 05:30 PM	#2
Dalai lama Strength and Honor Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Europe Posts: 16,540	no more tgps. no more gallery makers, no more advertising money ( thehun/sleazydream ect and anyone else selling traffic/banner spots ), less design work for designers. less traffic ? Maybe less tgps. __________________ A program you can trust. Gallerybooster Run multiply TGPs of 1 script

08-16-2005, 06:43 PM	#3
boneprone Hall Of Fame Industry Role: Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Portland Oregon USA Posts: 34,415	All the smart and big TGPers would still make your life rough, and you'd still be playing the victum as you do now, we would evolve into other aspects of the biz, and still be above you taking your money and making it hard on you as you seem to be expressing now.. ITs not TGPs that are holding you back from making $$... Its you... Adapt and Evolve or be overtaken. __________________ Industry Hall Of Fame Legend Mike Jones Bow to the Power - Still BP4L http://gfyawards.com/hall-of-fame Learn about it kids.

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08-16-2005, 07:29 PM	#7
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08-16-2005, 07:31 PM	#8
tony286 lurker Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: atlanta Posts: 57,021	No tgps wouldnt effect me one way or another .Never had any luck with themlol

08-16-2005, 08:06 PM	#13
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08-16-2005, 08:32 PM	#14
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08-16-2005, 08:41 PM	#15
spanky part 2 Confirmed User Join Date: Oct 2003 Posts: 1,981	You guys are taking every thing way to literally. Then again I am trying to talk biz at GFY. My point is, that less is more. Less hardcore = more$$$ Getting rid of tgps is a ridiculous thing to say, and will never happen. When are people gonna realize that free porn is like a loss leader in a store. They advertise some piece of shit that alot of people will want for less than cost, because they know that they will buy more shit when they are there. Business 101 people. Upsell, tease but don't please.

08-16-2005, 10:05 PM	#19
SleazyDream I'm here for SPORT Industry Role: Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Phone # (401) 285-0696 Posts: 41,470	woulda coulda shoulda you'd whine that my tours gave away too much then - or that i had some other unfair advantage. fact is - you don't know how to sell. __________________ This dog, is dog, a dog, good dog, way dog, to dog, keep dog, an dog, idiot dog, busy dog, for dog, 20 dog, seconds dog! Now read without the word dog.

08-16-2005, 10:15 PM	#22
wedouglas So Fucking Banned Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Dearborn, MI Posts: 5,921	TGP traffic blows because it is exactly whats in the members area. You can find every set for any site for free by browsing TGPs. Why pay for what you can get for free? I think this post is kind of off topic, but I think it should be said in any TGP related thread.

08-17-2005, 12:42 AM	#24
Bike Confirmed User Join Date: Jul 2004 Posts: 1,363	There's no money in porn anymore, especially not in TGP traffic It's funny to see how clueless some of you are If you only knew how much you can make with TGP's...

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08-17-2005, 05:54 AM	#31
Furious_Female Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Upstate, New York Posts: 8,187	In 2000 I made $50k that year from one set of softcore pics with an AVS (SexKey) and only got $10/sale. The same type of pics can be seen for free on any TGP a million times over. I adapt of course but it still brings a tear to my eye. __________________ Skype: j3nn.com ICQ 160370494 My current favorite high-converting sponsor: CrakRevenue

08-17-2005, 06:01 AM	#32
janosik Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Jan 2002 Posts: 755	Agree .. good old times are definitely lost But you can still try SEO if you don't like TGPs. There are still newbie surfers who have no idea that there are some TGPs

08-17-2005, 06:13 AM	#33
Bake Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Outback of bumfuck Aussie Posts: 5,309	Only dumb fucks and people who have never learnt to market tgp's aks this question, for me its extra money. Witch are you ? to dumb to market or dont know how? __________________ Buy great domains from drunken burned out old webmaster CHEAP bullseyeporn.com art-met.com and more. Learn how to make a easy extra $500 per week

08-17-2005, 07:03 AM	#36
AmateurFlix Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Jul 2004 Posts: 7,762	You know, alot of people in this thread seem to be of this "adapt and evolve" attitude but then viciously defend against any criticism of their current business model. Some of you guys posting in this thread have alot of traffic on your sites, but do you honestly think that any of you are using the ultimate business model for making use of TGP traffic? That there can be no better way of marketing than you are doing now? That you have no need to adapt or evolve to the fact that there's so much free hardcore available that only 1:25k to 1:50k vitiors to a gallery are likely to buy something? This business model is like that of a vendor who only sells one beverage at a football stadium filled with 50,000 people and decides to start selling at more stadiums to increase revenue instead of figuring out why they're not selling more where they're at. Sales on my TGP nearly quadrupled after removing the hardcore and making no other significant changes. My site still trades with sites that have tons of hardcore galleries. I just quit giving away what I'm trying to sell on my site. I post softcore instead of hardcore and the sales ratios improve. I give out less free pictures on a gallery and the sales ratios improve. Is it really that hard to understand why that is? __________________

08-17-2005, 07:20 AM	#37
rogerbo Confirmed User Join Date: Jan 2002 Posts: 193	the wohle discustion started the same when thumb TGP's did emerge, Oh tomuch giving away and we don't make anymore money. Learn how to Tweake your TGP and you'll make nice $$, and i don't want to know how many Paysites would have Problems to get the Surfers without the TGP's. In the old days 96,97 and so there where the Hun (TGP ) Persian Kitty and a few TGP's Link collections which where known. Today there are thousends of Sites which do help drive Surfers to paysites even new ones and small ones so many more Ppl. do make $$ today then 10 Years ago. So live with that and adopt your marketing to it and all is fine. __________________ Teen Elf's Blog Teenhouse<br> MAKE ME RICH NOW ------ ICOO