Whats your opinion of paysites with stolen content ?

[TheNewGuy]

hey there i'm new so i guess i should do and fuck myself

I thought this would be a interesting topic to begin with

So what do you guys think of paysites that use stolen content ?

personally i've become increasingly annoyed by this as a webmaster who is currently buying content for a paysite.

heres a few below that i've found recently that have annoyed the fuck out of me

http://almostnudeteens.net/
http://www.webcamangels.com/
http://nnmovies.com/
http://nude.90lbcuties.com/home.htm

Of coarse i can think of a load more but it would take 10 years to post them

But the thing that i find hilarious about this is not the sites but the fact that the billing processors like ibill and ccbill don't seem to give a shit , even when its blatantly obvious that the sites don't own the copyright for the content that they use. I remember recently emailing ccbill about that site webcamangels above and they did nothing, i emailed ccbill about 10 times exchanging emails with some guy called keith or something but then after i gave him the info about the site nothing !! not even an email saying that it would be looked into , it was just simply ignored

So i'm just wondering what your opinions of sites like this our, does it not annoy you that other webmasters can just steal content and make a paysite , and if you go to ccbill and ibill and complain your complaints just fall on death ears

[Ludedude]

I love them....shit if it wasn't for Penthouse magazine, half the guys on this board wouldn't have content for their sites!

NOT!

[Eric]

Yeah nice stolen image from Maxim of Kathrine Heigl on Almost Nude Teens.

[Jakke PNG]

That's a relatively stupid question.
Everyone loves them.

[ez12]

Burn them ! Burn them all !
I buy content to see it get stolen a few days later, I say fuck them fuck them all let them burn in hell ! (and yes I am frustrated)

[FreeOnes]

You didn't get a reply of Ibill either.

You must be kidding !

[BV]

These fucking bastards!





CCBill you better do something about it this time!
Registrant:
AlmostN Teens
19 Division Street
New York, NY, 10018 1651
US

Registrar: Dotster (http://www.dotster.com)
Domain Name: ALMOSTNUDETEENS.NET
Created on: 03-JUL-01
Expires on: 03-JUL-02
Last Updated on: 03-JUL-01

Administrative Contact:
Smith, Mark [email protected]
AlmostN Teens
19 Division Street
New York, NY, 10018 1651
US
212-798-9242

Technical Contact:
Smith, Mark [email protected]
AlmostN Teens
19 Division Street
New York, NY, 10018 1651
US
212-798-9242


Domain servers in listed order:
NS01.LLAMAS.NET
NS02.LLAMAS.NET

That's register.com's phone number.
Just got off the phone with them.

here is the host, more fake numbers:
North American Llamas Network (LLAMAS3-DOM)
1199 SW 109th Lane
Davie, FL 33324
US

Domain Name: LLAMAS.NET

Administrative Contact, Technical Contact, Billing Contact:
Chiapusio, Chris (CC455) [email protected]
North American Llamas Network
1199 SW 109th Lane
Davie, FL 33324
(561) 989-8091 x214 (FAX) (954) 370-0225

Record last updated on 30-Sep-2000.
Record expires on 26-Aug-2002.
Record created on 25-Aug-1996.
Database last updated on 6-Feb-2002 02:09:00 EST.

Domain servers in listed order:

NS01.LLAMAS.NET 207.203.36.214
NS02.LLAMAS.NET 63.77.33.231

[Theo]

bookmark this topic

bring it up 3 months later

everything will be the same

topic closed (as 12clicks says)

[ZapMan]

Originally posted by Soul_Rebel
bookmark this topic

bring it up 3 months later

everything will be the same

topic closed (as 12clicks says)

I am affraid your right they will still be in business. The only way to stop them would be to get ahold of the content owners and they would have to file suite against them.

[TheNewGuy]

nah but in all seriousness is it not about time that this sorta stuff wasn't just ignored and something was actually done about it.

e.g. Honest webmasters who own paysites forming some sort of group against these thieves

i myself am not a particularly experienced webmaster but i know the different between right and wrong and after paying over $5,000 for content for a paysite i would hate to think that my site could be open for a week and some little shit could come along and steal all my content which i had payed a small fortune for and not only start up an exact replica of my site for free but infact become competition to my site as well , so not only would that person be stealing from me but they would also be taking potential customers away from me

This shit drives me nuts !! Is it not about time that Ibill and CCbill start taking these things a little more seriously instead of just ignoring them. Its not fair on the honest webmaster who does things legally and then gets shit on by assholes who steal

[eRock]

I'm assuming that they're using some Bikini Voyeur content...???

[playa]

http://almostnudeteens.net/
under 18 year old teens,,, oh wait its non nude teen site thats OK,,,,give me a break

like most webmasters just because its legal doesn't make it right,,
its still CP traffic going to them sites,,,

if it is stolen then maybe APIC has another case

[BV]

Originally posted by playa
http://almostnudeteens.net/
under 18 year old teens,,, oh wait its non nude teen site thats OK,,,,give me a break

like most webmasters just because its legal doesn't make it right,,
its still CP traffic going to them sites,,,

if it is stolen then maybe APIC has another case

Yes NN sites are a problem. I do not accept NN traffic or webmasters in my program UNLIKE other sponsors that frequent this board!

[3Xguru]

I forgot to give you a big welcome:
Go Fuck Yourself!

[TheNewGuy]

why thank you , i`ll do that right now

[Kimmykim]

There is more than one issue here, and I'll be happy to break it down one by one.

1. Content theft. When someone 'borrows', steals, whatever, content from someone else, ONLY the copyright HOLDER has the right to claim damages under DMCA. Just because you bought some content and you know someone else stole it does not give you the right to make claims in lieu of the copyright holder. If you see content you think was stolen from someone other than yourself, your best bet is to notify the copyright holder.

If you are the copyright holder, be it stolen images, stolen pages, etc., then I'd assume you've contacted someone at both the sites billing and hosting companies, and that they have properly asked you to fill out a DMCA affadavit and return the signed copy to them, at which point they should take action.

2. Non nude teens. Legal in the eyes of Customs and the FBI. Right or wrong? I don't know. I wouldn't sign papers for my daughter (if I had a daughter) to pose like that, but then again I don't think I'd allow her to be in a Calvin Klein ad either.

3. Nude children. The legality here is dependant upon the circumstances, many more times legal than not. My personal vote on this one is wrong, whether it's legal or not.

4. Our position on all this. Our AUP precludes using content that contains anyone under 18 naked. Does that mean that people can't go in and change what we've seen? No. Does that mean that people can't and won't occasionally trick us with what we do see? No. Does that mean we see every page of every web site we process for every day? No.

5. Demanding on message boards that we do this, that, or the other. Seems to be becoming quite popular lately, and doesn't really do any good. If you want to complain about something we do, then an email to either your sales rep or myself is the best way to go about getting results. That way you can get an answer that is correct from our standpoint and lets you know where we are on your question.

There is sooooo much misinformation about what's legal, what's not, what's in good taste, poor taste, you name it, that message boards really aren't the place to attempt to get a company policy changed, collect a debt, call someone a cheater or claim that a sponsor shaves.

They are a place to ask questions, bullshit with pals, gain ideas, etc, and they are very good for that.

To attempt to use them in any other context is probably time that you could have spent doing something else.

[[Labret]]

I love when KK comes in and shuts you fucking idiots down.

[UnseenWorld]

This is kind of a classic stupid question (and no offense, because the only stupid question is the one you don't ask, right?). But, put on your thinking cap: Why would a stolen one thing be different from a stolen other thing? You are still borrowing someone else's something-or-other and robbing them of their profit. The only photos someone has a right to use are (a) the ones they have a license from the owner to use and (b) ones which are in the public domain (which is practically none). Photos don't become public domain by being in a newsgroup or by being handed around in a discussion group and certainly by not having a copyright notice on them. Assume every photo you see is owned by someone and that you need to pay that person to use it, unless you have specific proof otherwise.

Also, you put up a picture you got from who knows where in your website and Mr. Black from the FBI shows up and asks you to prove the age of the model.

What will you do? What WILL you do?

[Kimmykim]

Damn you Labret. ;)

[Za Ha]

People have always stolen content!

Why is this so new to everyone

[Mike D]

Originally posted by ez12
Burn them ! Burn them all !
I buy content to see it get stolen a few days later, I say fuck them fuck them all let them burn in hell ! (and yes I am frustrated)

it really sucks,someone ripping off content that someone else payed for,if i ever saw a site that had my stuff up,without paying for it,i would file suite THAT DAY..

Mike......

[BV]

Unseenworld,

In answer to your question: What will you do?

IT DEPENDS ON THE CONTENT

Sexually explicit pictures you better have it.
Chics flashing their tits or ass in public you don't need it.
But the picture above I took on a public beach. I own that picture and no one can use it legally.

[boneprone]

Is stolen content the same as Public Domain?

I like Public Domain, but I would never steal.

BP4L

[Kimmykim]

BV, if that is your image, and they are using it without permission or license, please email me and I'll get you on the right track to it's not being there.

Kim

[BV]

Originally posted by boneprone
Is stolen content the same as Public Domain?

I like Public Domain, but I would never steal.

BP4L

no boneprone

what do you mean you like public domain? give us an example????

[Kimmykim]

He likes bad checks too, pay him no mind. ;)

[boneprone]

Care for some Almomd Rocca?

[boneprone]

You know "public domain" content.

Like the stuff on Yahoo Clubs.
Its public domain.

Everyone is welcome.
Its legal, and natural.

[BV]

Originally posted by boneprone
You know "public domain" content.

Like the stuff on Yahoo Clubs.
Its public domain.

It is not.
Gee BP you must be joking!

[BV]

Originally posted by Kimmykim
BV, if that is your image, and they are using it without permission or license, please email me and I'll get you on the right track to it's not being there.

Kim

KK
I already have correspondence with mr fisher
I know what to do (this is not the first time)
What I want you to do is let me in the members area so I can look and then I want you to ban his ass from ccbill.
If CCBill is a professional company they wont let this webmaster keep processing with them.

[Sleepy]

Here is my favorite part.
http://www.almostnudeteens.net/legal.html
BV, man you better ask this dude for permission to use your photos on your site. It seems he owns them
What a trip..

[Theo]

Originally posted by Sleepy
Here is my favorite part.
http://www.almostnudeteens.net/legal.html
BV, man you better ask this dude for permission to use your photos on your site. It seems he owns them
What a trip..

he typed A LOT......i believe him

[UnseenWorld]

Originally posted by BV
Unseenworld,

In answer to your question: What will you do?

IT DEPENDS ON THE CONTENT

Sexually explicit pictures you better have it.
Chics flashing their tits or ass in public you don't need it.
But the picture above I took on a public beach. I own that picture and no one can use it legally.

I was not writing in response to you, but in response to TheNewGuy and his question. I had not beach picture in mind when I wrote.

However, I might as well mention here that (and I'm not an attorney, but I research these things quite a bit) that you're not entirely off the hook by taking a picture of someone in public. You also have to deal with "the right of publicity" especially if the person you are shooting has a career based on their likeness, and the law of torts, where you might get in trouble for what's called "false light," wherein you depict someone in a manner that ill reflects their true character. (In other words, if you make them appear bad through showing them in an image taken out of context. An extreme example would be showing someone in a KKK outfit that they wore merely as a costume in an anti-racism play, giving the false impression that they are a KKK member when the opposite is the case.)

You guys all want one or two line summaries of the law, which is a complicated thing. You should really be getting your legal advice from an attorney, but even attorneys are imperfect explainers of the law.

Even so, you don't go to lawyers for webmastering advice, why go to webmasters for legal advice?

[BV]

Unseen,
Nobody else here was asking for legal advice (i have plenty) in this thread that I can see except for your off topic "what would you do" question. concerning age verification bla bla bla. Has nothing to do with stolen content.

But let me touch on your "the right of publicity" statement. If I did take pictures of a famous person or any person for that matter and ruined his/her career somehow, Yes he/she could sue me in a Civil court. Not a criminal court. He/she would have to prove damages. My point being: that it is NOT illegal to do what you said, it just opens you up for a civil law suit more so than photographing your average jo blo.



Peace Out
I'm heading to Mardi Gras

PS:
I've been talking to the thief webmaster
he's scared just like all the others were
check the anttour3.jpg pic above, you can see he has changed my pic out
i checked members area and he had 1 pic of mine
but the rest were stolen as well, looked like from newsgroups
same old bullshit different day

[Sleepy]

Here is my understanding of photos taken in public.
If a person has a reasonable belief of privacy you cant use their photo without permission. That means if Sandra Bullock flashes her tits to a crowd of people you can take the photo and use it. If you sneek up to her house and take a nude photo of her you cannot use it.

If BV used the photo in this thread as part of an article about his local beach, the girl in the photo couldnt do anything. Using it to advertise an adult site changes the situation drasticly. Now he is open for an "In Light" lawsuite. If she feels she is being portrayed in a negative "light" she has a lawsuite. The model release is what prevents that problem because you gain the right to use the model's likeness any way you want. The laws also change depending on whether the model is in the public eye. The person taking the photo usually owns the right, but the right to publish it w/out potential problems requires a model release. My guess would be that BV owns the right to the photo but not the right to publish it on an adult site.

[Mr Docter]

Originally posted by boneprone
Care for some Almomd Rocca?

I'll take some Bone, as long as you warm it up on.. lets say.. a heater for awhile.

I only like fermented Almond Rocca. It brings the taste out.. hehe..

[Kimmykim]

BV - I've added you to my office icq, let me know when you're around.

If you've talked to Tom Fisher, I'm sure he's made you aware of the legal issues at hand, including our position and what we are able to do.

I will mention this while I'm thinking about it too-- there is some new technology in beta right now, supported by Microsoft, that will stop content theft at a very reasonable cost, and in a way that also should boost sales of adult material at the same time

[UnseenWorld]

Originally posted by BV
Unseen,
Nobody else here was asking for legal advice (i have plenty) in this thread that I can see except for your off topic "what would you do" question. concerning age verification bla bla bla. Has nothing to do with stolen content.

But let me touch on your "the right of publicity" statement. If I did take pictures of a famous person or any person for that matter and ruined his/her career somehow, Yes he/she could sue me in a Civil court. Not a criminal court. He/she would have to prove damages. My point being: that it is NOT illegal to do what you said, it just opens you up for a civil law suit more so than photographing your average jo blo.

It's never safe to discuss the law, if you are not an attorney, without the disclaimer "I'm not an attorney, but..."

That said, you're right. It opens you up more to a tort suit than a criminal prosecution. In terms of scariness though, there isn't that much difference, for while the result of a civil suit isn't jail time, it could result in a judgment it would take you many years to pay off. There's more than one way to have your life ruined.

Maybe you're rather face a slick tort lawyer than a proscutorial intern who is still a few years away from being in private practice, but I don't see much to choose between them.

And you are just plumb wrong about needing to ruin someone's life. Check out the suit between Dustin Hoffman and LA Magazine over his right of publicity and you'll see that you don't need to do anything even close to ruining someone's life to lose a lawsuit over right of publicity:

http://law.about.com/library/docs/bl...an_v_LAMag.htm

It's not just famous actors who have the right of publicity, but exotic dancers, models, and all sorts of sub-celebrities as well. Basically, anyone who earns a significant portion of their income (or is trying to) can probably claim right of publicity.

Now, when you are snapping a picture of someone, do you know from looking at them whether they are someone who earns money this way? I don't. This is why photographers say, "Always get a release."

[Fletch XXX]

This may be slightly off topic but it does regard stolen content.

I run a few cam girl sites, and have found sites even gone as far as using personal Yahoo phtos as Boneprone selling girls that no one else on the planet has ever shot aside from me. And these assfucks are using her to sell fucking Adult Friend Finder, I never post URLs to people with stolen shit. Let them think they are still getting away with it. You know who you are.

But also, yesterday I get an email telling me about a "security breach" in a site i own, processed through CC Bill this asshole has the nerve to ask me "can I snag a few pictures while im in your members section for pointing this out" needless to say, I reponded professionally but said "no" and changed a few paths, anyway, this asshole emails today saying"that was not very nice, so i will now further expand your security issues and make them public.

So this bastard is not only stealing content, but trying to fucking blackmail me for pics, I called my ISp and they emailed him something nice.

Anyway, what a weird day, what kind of asshole thinks its cool to email threaten wen cam girls into giving them content, guess they never know who they are emailing.

[Kimmykim]

FletchXXX,
Not sure what the breach was, but if it's anything we can help you with, let me know --

[email protected]

[Fletch XXX]

Kimmy, not sure sweets. He only emailed me (mygirlfriend) twice, I contacted webair, who hosts that site, and forwarded the email to sagi, he replied for me more legally, not sure if I got the CC copy yet.

Hopefully nothing comes of it, I am not sure on how to investigate what he could do if anything, I mean in the original email he even said most links he clicked prompted for a password box, but still allowed minimal access, who knows, he could be lying.

Thanks for the response though Kimmy. I didnt know who to call really, host or the processors ya know.

Again, Thanks.

[RaGe]

[mryellow]

um... I might be stupid or something.... but....

How can anyone that doesn't pay their models complain about stealing?

Pay your models, get the proper documentation, and then maybe you can complain bout ppl stealing.

-Ben

[neuromute]

>>>Content theft. When someone 'borrows', steals, whatever, content from someone else, ONLY the copyright HOLDER has the right to claim damages under DMCA. Just because you bought some content and you know someone else stole it does not give you the right to make claims in lieu of the copyright holder. If you see content you think was stolen from someone other than yourself, your best bet is to notify the copyright holder.<<<

KimmyKim, on this point you are correct, but you may be missing a bigger point. If I were a smart lawyer (and I am), and I represented Maxim and/or the photog who owns rights to the content, I'd sue *everybody* -- including ccbill. Reason? The scumbag pirate will likely be judgment proof and gone by the time we get to trial. I'd want deep, stable pockets -- like yours.

Justification? "Facillitating" copyright infringment under the DMCA... yes, it's in there and it could prove to be a motherfucker to service providers like ccbill. If I can prove you knew about the piracy and that you "facilitated" infringement by providing payment services despite that knowledge, you may lose.

Now, this is just something to think about and talk to your legal counsel about.

I think, if the recording industry is any indication, that these types of things will likely happen, with lawsuits hurting all sorts of people that are not otherwise content pirates. The DMCA is a tool for the big, bad powerful entertainment companies to wipe out others if they choose to. It's pretty scary.

Peace - neuro

[SNOW]

[Fletch XXX]

Came across this in a Yahoo group today, another stolen web cam picture archived, being processed by CC Bill.

http://webcamteasers.com

Just waiting to see pictures of my girlfriend in one of these sites, then they will definitely be taken down. And I guess thats what it takes.

I bought the webcam my girl uses so that means I own the rights, right? ;)

Either way these guys are buying lifetime VIP memberships to ifriends and snagging all the pics and creating sites. IF and crew can barely cut checks let alone track content thieves.

[SleazyDream]

sounds like a job for apic???

http://www.apic-adult.com/