Is cogent really that bad? - GoFuckYourself.com

Snake Doctor · 08-10-2005, 10:00 PM

It seems like cogent has grown alot through acquisition the last couple of years.

Are they really that bad or is that just the company line from people who can't match the price?

JuiceMonkey · 08-10-2005, 10:00 PM

no it's not bad at all
try it your self.

Snake Doctor · 08-10-2005, 10:03 PM

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Originally Posted by JuiceMonkey

no it's not bad at all
try it your self.

I could, sure. However trying it yourself is risking part of your business on what could be a slow and shitty network, so I thought I'd do some research.

riddler · 08-10-2005, 10:03 PM

nothing wrong with cogent.. it was kinda shady back when it first started because with the prices they offered for the time you never knew if it was a company that was going to get up and haul ass out of the country and leave customers high and dry..

they are just as good as most other bandwidths, its worth the money.

chupachups · 08-10-2005, 10:03 PM

Supposed to have improved alot... not as crappy as before.

chaze · 08-10-2005, 10:07 PM

It's horrible, we used to have it until we got complaints everyday and canned it. I wouldn't touch it or Verio if my life depended on it.

Think about, cognet costs $1000 for a dedicated 100 meg line.

Verio costs $1700+ for a dedicated line.

Normal bandwidth costs $4000+ for a dedicated 100 meg line.

There is a reason for this.

Good luck,

riddler · 08-10-2005, 10:09 PM

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Originally Posted by chaze

It's horrible, we used to have it until we got complaints everyday and canned it. I wouldn't touch it or Verio if my life depended on it.

Think about, cognet costs $1000 for a dedicated 100 meg line.

Verio costs $1700+ for a dedicated line.

Normal bandwidth costs $4000+ for a dedicated 100 meg line.

There is a reason for this.

Good luck,

actually, its a arguement that has never had any good fucking points, sure there is other bandwidths that are direct in to UUNet or other major backbones, But cogent has grown to get very good connections in to alot of major suppliers and are good for the money.

synapse · 08-10-2005, 10:09 PM

We used them 18 mths - 2 years back now so I can't comment on their performance / stability now ... but back then they prolly would have been fine for plain www / HTML page and images type traffic but for real time systems like ours, forget about it ... they had major routing issues and horrific network latency ... that combined with crappy support was why we ditched them.

tungsten · 08-10-2005, 10:21 PM

i know they used to be shitty beyond belief, not sure how they are now

WarChild · 08-10-2005, 10:24 PM

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Originally Posted by chaze

Normal bandwidth costs $4000+ for a dedicated 100 meg line.

No it doesn't.

chaze · 08-10-2005, 10:24 PM

I know Cogent is crap it's not my oppinion. It's not a mystery why either. Simply put they use less pops (network stations) so your connection has to bounce around 2-3 times as much to reach it's destination. This also create more points of failure and possible latency. And they don't pay their bill to the hops they have half the time. Once they a major pop that led to LA was blocked from cogent because they didn't pay their bill. All connections to LA through cogent where dead. If you have to use them them use a quality provider and cogent in a blend then atleast when they fuck up and they will you have a reall connection to get you through.

Also keep in mind the main reason why surfers leave websites is when they are too slow. It's more important then design and content!

I wouldn't put my TGP galleries on Cogent or Verio.

uunet is actually one of the best because they pay more to use more pops. In fact they might have the most connections on their network then anyone.

chaze · 08-10-2005, 10:26 PM

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Originally Posted by WarChild

No it doesn't.

Yes it does, unless you buy it from a reseller. Call UUnet and see how much a 100 meg line costs. Or global crossing, ATT,

The shit you are thinking of goes through probably three resellers before it gets to you.

andrej_NDC · 08-10-2005, 10:37 PM

depends who you buy it from, it can be more reliable than premium BW from some providers...

synapse · 08-10-2005, 10:38 PM

We have a fiber gig cross-connect with XO and another one with Global Crossing and have been very happy with both

UniversalPassLorence · 08-10-2005, 10:46 PM

They are not bad

BIGTYMER · 08-10-2005, 11:00 PM

i haven't had any problems with it...

Snake Doctor · 08-10-2005, 11:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by chaze

It's horrible, we used to have it until we got complaints everyday and canned it. I wouldn't touch it or Verio if my life depended on it.

Think about, cognet costs $1000 for a dedicated 100 meg line.

Verio costs $1700+ for a dedicated line.

Normal bandwidth costs $4000+ for a dedicated 100 meg line.

There is a reason for this.

Good luck,

Anybody who's paying $4000 for a 100meg line is getting ass raped with no lube.

That being said you obviously have an agenda here because you're selling something other than the product I'm asking about.

While I appreciate your feedback you can stop jumping on everyone who disagrees with you and telling them they're wrong now. You only get one vote here

Snake Doctor · 08-10-2005, 11:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by chaze

Yes it does, unless you buy it from a reseller. Call UUnet and see how much a 100 meg line costs. Or global crossing, ATT,

The shit you are thinking of goes through probably three resellers before it gets to you.

HAHAHAHA!!!

OMFG man, no wonder you hate cheap bandwidth.

I just checked out the prices on your site and you want $7641 per month for a 40mbps pipe.

Do you have ANY customers at those prices? And if you do, what do you do at night when I'm sleeping?

EviLGuY · 08-10-2005, 11:59 PM

Cogent is fine really and we should all thank them for pushing bandwidth prices way down for us.. or we'd still be paying 3-5 bucks a gig.

Snake Doctor · 08-11-2005, 12:05 AM

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Originally Posted by EviLGuY

Cogent is fine really and we should all thank them for pushing bandwidth prices way down for us.. or we'd still be paying 3-5 bucks a gig.

That's true. Even if they do suck they did force all the other providers to stop ass raping us on the price.

WarChild · 08-11-2005, 12:06 AM

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Originally Posted by EviLGuY

Cogent is fine really and we should all thank them for pushing bandwidth prices way down for us.. or we'd still be paying 3-5 bucks a gig.

So basically you blame the free hosted gallery on Cogent?

Theo · 08-11-2005, 12:08 AM

it used to have close to 0 connectivity towards aol users, now it has improved a lot. Webmasters should thank cogentco for the competiiton it brought that made the bandwidth prices to go down. These are not my words, but coming from several people in the hosting business.

MrVids · 08-11-2005, 12:09 AM

cogent is a great bang for the buck, no doubt about it. sure you're going to see some latency difference between them and some of the big boys, but generally not enough to justify the cost difference.

I have servers with both, just have to use the right screw for the right bolt ;)

Theo · 08-11-2005, 12:09 AM

ah,evilguy already made this point too

tresisa · 08-11-2005, 12:13 AM

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Originally Posted by JuiceMonkey

no it's not bad at all
try it your self.

ya ryt

VirtuMike · 08-11-2005, 12:14 AM

I used to think Cogent was acceptable. I now have changed my mind. Their routing is very bad. I caught a massive problem with *'s hitting a couple days ago. They should have routed around that, but didn't. You think cogent is good because you don't track through their routing and peering - you don't know what they're doing when you're not looking. Just because your line works doesn't mean the network works well.

EviLGuY · 08-11-2005, 01:16 AM

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Originally Posted by WarChild

So basically you blame the free hosted gallery on Cogent?

haha yeah I guess they are to blame for starting that trend too.

Now, just to clarify my position on Cogent:

Its fine in an intelligently routed mix with other providers. I wouldn't trust anything that makes me money to just a single homed Cogent line though.

They really have saved all of us a ton of money though by lowering prices across the board.. even if you've never used them at all. Competition is good.

08-10-2005, 10:00 PM	#1
Snake Doctor I'm Lenny2 Bitch Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: On top of my soapbox Posts: 13,449	Is cogent really that bad? It seems like cogent has grown alot through acquisition the last couple of years. Are they really that bad or is that just the company line from people who can't match the price?

08-10-2005, 10:00 PM	#2
JuiceMonkey Confirmed User Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Brisbane/Vancouver/SanFran Posts: 3,581	no it's not bad at all try it your self. __________________ ICQ: 72251955 GTalk: JuiceMonkey

08-10-2005, 10:03 PM	#5
chupachups Confirmed User Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Sweden/Spain you sum bitch! Posts: 6,576	Supposed to have improved alot... not as crappy as before. __________________

08-10-2005, 10:21 PM	#9
tungsten Too lazy to set a custom title Join Date: Mar 2004 Posts: 10,579	i know they used to be shitty beyond belief, not sure how they are now __________________ VOYEUR /HOMEMADE, HENTAI / CARTOON, Reality, Amateur, Shemale, Hardcore, Cuckold, Celebrity, Retro/Vintage, ect...ALL OUR SITES >> Unbelievable Ratio \| High % of Rebills \| Bi-Monthly Payments (also to E-Passporte) Ton's of EXCLUSIVE Free content & FHG's \|=> GREAT REVENUE $$$ GUARANTEED!

08-10-2005, 10:46 PM	#15
UniversalPassLorence Confirmed User Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Califonia Posts: 3,721	They are not bad __________________ $25.00 PPS for $1.00 Trial Making Webmasters Money Since 1997 ICQ: 305090349

08-10-2005, 10:03 PM	#4
riddler Confirmed User Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: up in gang bang heaven Posts: 3,726	nothing wrong with cogent.. it was kinda shady back when it first started because with the prices they offered for the time you never knew if it was a company that was going to get up and haul ass out of the country and leave customers high and dry.. they are just as good as most other bandwidths, its worth the money.

08-10-2005, 10:07 PM	#6
chaze Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2002 Posts: 9,752	It's horrible, we used to have it until we got complaints everyday and canned it. I wouldn't touch it or Verio if my life depended on it. Think about, cognet costs $1000 for a dedicated 100 meg line. Verio costs $1700+ for a dedicated line. Normal bandwidth costs $4000+ for a dedicated 100 meg line. There is a reason for this. Good luck,

08-10-2005, 10:09 PM	#8
synapse NameNetwork.com Industry Role: Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: South Carolina Posts: 1,175	We used them 18 mths - 2 years back now so I can't comment on their performance / stability now ... but back then they prolly would have been fine for plain www / HTML page and images type traffic but for real time systems like ours, forget about it ... they had major routing issues and horrific network latency ... that combined with crappy support was why we ditched them.

08-10-2005, 10:24 PM	#11
chaze Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2002 Posts: 9,752	I know Cogent is crap it's not my oppinion. It's not a mystery why either. Simply put they use less pops (network stations) so your connection has to bounce around 2-3 times as much to reach it's destination. This also create more points of failure and possible latency. And they don't pay their bill to the hops they have half the time. Once they a major pop that led to LA was blocked from cogent because they didn't pay their bill. All connections to LA through cogent where dead. If you have to use them them use a quality provider and cogent in a blend then atleast when they fuck up and they will you have a reall connection to get you through. Also keep in mind the main reason why surfers leave websites is when they are too slow. It's more important then design and content! I wouldn't put my TGP galleries on Cogent or Verio. uunet is actually one of the best because they pay more to use more pops. In fact they might have the most connections on their network then anyone.

08-10-2005, 10:37 PM	#13
andrej_NDC Registered User Industry Role: Join Date: May 2004 Posts: 7,760	depends who you buy it from, it can be more reliable than premium BW from some providers...

08-10-2005, 10:38 PM	#14
synapse NameNetwork.com Industry Role: Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: South Carolina Posts: 1,175	We have a fiber gig cross-connect with XO and another one with Global Crossing and have been very happy with both

08-10-2005, 11:00 PM	#16
BIGTYMER Junior Achiever Industry Role: Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Walled Garden Posts: 17,066	i haven't had any problems with it...

08-10-2005, 11:59 PM	#19
EviLGuY So Fucking Banned Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: malta Posts: 12,745	Cogent is fine really and we should all thank them for pushing bandwidth prices way down for us.. or we'd still be paying 3-5 bucks a gig.

08-11-2005, 12:08 AM	#22
Theo HAL 9000 Industry Role: Join Date: May 2001 Posts: 34,515	it used to have close to 0 connectivity towards aol users, now it has improved a lot. Webmasters should thank cogentco for the competiiton it brought that made the bandwidth prices to go down. These are not my words, but coming from several people in the hosting business. Last edited by Theo; 08-11-2005 at 12:10 AM..

08-11-2005, 12:09 AM	#23
MrVids i am a meat popsicle Industry Role: Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Seattle, WA Posts: 1,070	cogent is a great bang for the buck, no doubt about it. sure you're going to see some latency difference between them and some of the big boys, but generally not enough to justify the cost difference. I have servers with both, just have to use the right screw for the right bolt ;)

08-11-2005, 12:14 AM	#26
VirtuMike Confirmed User Join Date: May 2002 Location: Seat 1A Posts: 2,483	I used to think Cogent was acceptable. I now have changed my mind. Their routing is very bad. I caught a massive problem with *'s hitting a couple days ago. They should have routed around that, but didn't. You think cogent is good because you don't track through their routing and peering - you don't know what they're doing when you're not looking. Just because your line works doesn't mean the network works well. __________________ Host it in AMSTERDAM at EUROTIVITY! - We also offer BACKUP SERVICES! XYZZY4L