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EpicCams - CamCrush The Same Shit ?

08-09-2005, 03:38 PM

These 2 sites offer the same dam girls and sign up pages.

anyone care to explain ?

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http://www.epiccams.com/search.php?q...=nada&x=24&y=4

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08-09-2005, 03:43 PM

think about it.
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08-09-2005, 03:43 PM

camcrush is ND's
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08-09-2005, 03:45 PM

They both are bode's backend - streamate

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08-09-2005, 03:46 PM

Originally posted by The Truth Hurts

think about it.

its a no brainer.

i wonder what other sponsors use the same cam feeds?

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08-09-2005, 03:48 PM

Check the 2257 statement. In both cases another company I believe is providing the content. Want your own branding? Ya can do that with many providers.
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08-09-2005, 03:51 PM

Originally posted by Sawblade2dahead

They both are bode's backend - streamate

streamate has the same content. Not sure they are the orginal though? They claim not to be in their 2257... I thought they were too though. So got me?
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08-09-2005, 06:19 PM

Nastydollars pays more, I'd push them instead.
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08-09-2005, 06:22 PM

Yeah it's from the same cam provider.

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08-09-2005, 06:24 PM

Same backend... EpicCams has a tier payout paying up to $50 per $1 lifetime join or up to $45 per Free join... also have a revshare option.
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08-09-2005, 06:48 PM

I still prefer plain ol Streamate to promote. ;) The folks at FCI have always treated me well.. and they convert great. The only program that converted as well for me was ARSes Home Sex Network before they became involved with Ifriends..

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08-09-2005, 06:54 PM

Nastydollars, Wegcash, Epiccash and Mtree all have a cam program using the streammate backend. They all have very similar promo material, but different payout structures. I think NastyD recently switched from % to a fixed rate free signup, but Ive heard conversion ratios have been horrible after the switch. Weg and Mtree both pay $25 on free pps and Epic only pays $15 on free pps.

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08-09-2005, 06:57 PM

Originally posted by lazycash

Epic only pays $15 on free pps.

starts at 15... tier payout here http://epiccash.com/payouts.html
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08-09-2005, 06:59 PM

Epic Cams does convert pretty well.. close to Mtree however the $15 to start for the free is a bit low for the smaller webmaster.. I think they should wipe out the tiered payout and pay higher to start.. and make special deals with the big senders like most other companies do.

Oh and WEG does have g3x.com which looks very nice.. haven't given them a fair try though but they are the only ones to not be pushing through Paycom .. which can be a good thing if you want to spice things up a bit.

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08-09-2005, 07:00 PM

Originally posted by washiez

and make special deals with the big senders like most other companies do.

We do... if you like contact me, info in sig.
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08-09-2005, 07:03 PM

Originally posted by washiez

I still prefer plain ol Streamate to promote. ;) The folks at FCI have always treated me well.. and they convert great. The only program that converted as well for me was ARSes Home Sex Network before they became involved with Ifriends..

Hey wash, its xxxbiz from the ars board. I'm converting pretty good also with mtree/fci and still promoting hsn also, although I sure do miss last year. Gonna stop with hsn soon though as its stupid not to promote cc directly and get the higher payout. Was hoping Marc De was gonna find a way to get hsn its own processing, but doesn't look like its going to happen.

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08-09-2005, 07:05 PM

If you do than why have the tiered payout? $15 to start isn't good when you can get $25 at Streamate and $35 with G3x/Nastydollars..

Personally I think its a joke at $15 to start.. when you say tiered payouts.. I think of Ifriends and them starting at $40. Surely you convert better than them.. but if im thinkin of it.. who else is?

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08-09-2005, 07:07 PM

Originally posted by lazycash

Hey wash, its xxxbiz from the ars board. I'm converting pretty good also with mtree/fci and still promoting hsn also, although I sure do miss last year. Gonna stop with hsn soon though as its stupid not to promote cc directly and get the higher payout. Was hoping Marc De was gonna find a way to get hsn its own processing, but doesn't look like its going to happen.

Hey man good to see you. Glad to hear you are happy with Streamate..I stopped pushing HSN a long while ago. Hoping Marc would do something too cuz if he did I would be back there in a heart beat.. as I love them like family almost. ;)

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08-09-2005, 07:09 PM

Originally posted by VIPimp

starts at 15... tier payout here http://epiccash.com/payouts.html

Yep, you have to do 60+ signups per period on the free pay per signup just to average a $25 payout. Less than 5% of your webmasters promoting epiccams are doing 60+ per period, so the tiered payout is a bit misleading and makes epiccams the lowest paying pay per free sign up program on the web. The fact that pimpdog continues to pass it off as high paying is a joke.

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08-09-2005, 07:14 PM

Originally posted by washiez

If you do than why have the tiered payout? $15 to start isn't good when you can get $25 at Streamate and $35 with G3x/Nastydollars..

Personally I think its a joke at $15 to start.. when you say tiered payouts.. I think of Ifriends and them starting at $40. Surely you convert better than them.. but if im thinkin of it.. who else is?

I want to start promoting g3 with their nice payouts, but I just don't see any tours that I think will convert my traffic. Still think its odd though that they payout $35 for g3 and only $25 for weg and I believe the traffic all goes to the same backend.

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08-09-2005, 07:16 PM

Personally I do wish Trey would fix it because I would suggest his program for sure as I do actually trust him since I know him from way back in the ol irc chat days.. his GFY persona is just a front heh. Crazy Crazy Tdawg

But getting 60 signs a week to average out at $25 (if thats correct) isn't a very good sell.

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08-09-2005, 07:17 PM

Originally posted by lazycash

I want to start promoting g3 with their nice payouts, but I just don't see any tours that I think will convert my traffic. Still think its odd though that they payout $35 for g3 and only $25 for weg and I believe the traffic all goes to the same backend.

Who knows what they are thinking.. but I think G3x uses a diff processor? I could be wrong as its been a while since I looked at WEGcashesactual version...

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08-09-2005, 07:17 PM

see sig for g3x promos

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08-09-2005, 07:18 PM

Originally posted by lazycash

Nastydollars, Wegcash, Epiccash and Mtree all have a cam program using the streammate backend. They all have very similar promo material, but different payout structures. I think NastyD recently switched from % to a fixed rate free signup, but Ive heard conversion ratios have been horrible after the switch. Weg and Mtree both pay $25 on free pps and Epic only pays $15 on free pps.

What he said. G3X too, unless I'm mistaken, VIPStream and a few others.
ND did switch to $35 PPS but it's hard to compare conversions vs. the % as there was no data and how many paying customers you referred.

Epic does have customizable live banners where you can select which category of performers to show in the banners.

See link in my sig for a comparison of all the programs.
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08-09-2005, 07:19 PM

the original domain used was: tricams

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08-09-2005, 07:19 PM

I knew the sig whores would come out eventually haha.. Im not hard pressed for webmaster % so I could give a shit.. just funny

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08-09-2005, 07:21 PM

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the original domain used was: tricams

Actually Tricams was run by Castview.. which Mtree abandoned and started their own site. Castview then made the site Home Sex Network which ARS pushed for a couple years.. I hear that Castview is working on their own program now so be on the lookout for that.

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08-09-2005, 07:26 PM

Originally posted by washiez

Personally I do wish Trey would fix it because I would suggest his program for sure as I do actually trust him since I know him from way back in the ol irc chat days.. his GFY persona is just a front heh. Crazy Crazy Tdawg

But getting 60 signs a week to average out at $25 (if thats correct) isn't a very good sell.

Yep, and that doesn't even take into consideration that the non console only pays $10 and they have a cross sale on the join page which you know reduces ratios 10-20% on a free cc verify. I like Epic's promo material, but I'd rather send to a $25 free signup cam program with no cross sales or consoles. When they first launched Epiccams they paid out a fixed $25, but after a few weeks they went with the tier and tried to pass it off as higher paying when in reality the average payout is much lower unless you are doing a very high volume.

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08-09-2005, 07:27 PM

Originally posted by washiez

Personally I do wish Trey would fix it because I would suggest his program for sure as I do actually trust him since I know him from way back in the ol irc chat days.. his GFY persona is just a front heh. Crazy Crazy Tdawg

But getting 60 signs a week to average out at $25 (if thats correct) isn't a very good sell.

With the $1 lifetime joins it jumps to $25 after 10 sales... $1 lifetime and free convert pretty much the same. Again, if you can send volume hit me up and I can probably get you setup on a payout you want.
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08-09-2005, 07:28 PM

Originally posted by lazycash

Yep, and that doesn't even take into consideration that the non console only pays $10 and they have a cross sale on the join page which you know reduces ratios 10-20% on a free cc verify. I like Epic's promo material, but I'd rather send to a $25 free signup cam program with no cross sales or consoles. When they first launched Epiccams they paid out a fixed $25, but after a few weeks they went with the tier and tried to pass it off as higher paying when in reality the average payout is much lower unless you are doing a very high volume.

$10 a sign? Sheeit I remember making that back on this program called Banner Answers... in like 97 or 98. hehe.. that shit converted goooood tho

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08-09-2005, 07:29 PM

Originally posted by lazycash

Yep, and that doesn't even take into consideration that the non console only pays $10 and they have a cross sale on the join page which you know reduces ratios 10-20% on a free cc verify. I like Epic's promo material, but I'd rather send to a $25 free signup cam program with no cross sales or consoles. When they first launched Epiccams they paid out a fixed $25, but after a few weeks they went with the tier and tried to pass it off as higher paying when in reality the average payout is much lower unless you are doing a very high volume.

We have 1 UN-checked xsell and thats only $5 a month.

Its very simple, try all the programs and see which you end up making more money with and stick with them.
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08-09-2005, 07:31 PM

Originally posted by Kevsh

What he said. G3X too, unless I'm mistaken, VIPStream and a few others.
ND did switch to $35 PPS but it's hard to compare conversions vs. the % as there was no data and how many paying customers you referred.

Epic does have customizable live banners where you can select which category of performers to show in the banners.

See link in my sig for a comparison of all the programs.

Vipstream is weg and g3x is a weg spinoff. I haven't pushed ND's 35pps, what I would be curious to know is if someone who pushes it has similar ratios as any of the other streammate programs. Their live content converts and would be nice at $35. I just heard a lot of whining and horrible ratios after they switched from % and am reluctant to try it because of that.

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08-09-2005, 07:34 PM

I looked at the nasty dollars version. Its a hard sell for the FREE sign up because it mentions the premium chats.. and even the price.. the join page is BUILT for recurring.. yet its not anymore.. if they would fix it.. id give them a shot.. maybe.

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08-09-2005, 07:36 PM

Originally posted by VIPimp

We have 1 UN-checked xsell and thats only $5 a month.

Its very simple, try all the programs and see which you end up making more money with and stick with them.

Yep, I explained to Trey when you launched what that cross sale would do to a free cc verify and he said he was locked into an agreement and couldn't remove it. I told him he could have my 100 cam sales a week if he gave me a join form without one, a year later its still there. I've tested just about every cam program out there with large amounts of traffic from the same source and epic converts nice, but because of the low payout the $/unique ends up being near the lowest.

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08-09-2005, 07:38 PM

Originally posted by washiez

I looked at the nasty dollars version. Its a hard sell for the FREE sign up because it mentions the premium chats.. and even the price.. the join page is BUILT for recurring.. yet its not anymore.. if they would fix it.. id give them a shot.. maybe.

Yep, I noticed that too and was a reason I haven't promoted them. You know as well as anyone how the perfect text on a free join cc verify can dramatically affect ratios.

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08-09-2005, 07:40 PM

Originally posted by lazycash

Yep, I explained to Trey when you launched what that cross sale would do to a free cc verify and he said he was locked into an agreement and couldn't remove it. I told him he could have my 100 cam sales a week if he gave me a join form without one, a year later its still there. I've tested just about every cam program out there with large amounts of traffic from the same source and epic converts nice, but because of the low payout the $/unique ends up being near the lowest.

Yea now the xsell is UNchecked and a lower rate... really doesnt affect the sales tho... contact me, tell me how much you want... im sure we can work something out to make you happy and make you $$$.
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08-09-2005, 07:41 PM

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Yep, I noticed that too and was a reason I haven't promoted them. You know as well as anyone how the perfect text on a free join cc verify can dramatically affect ratios.

Oh hell yeah.. who can forget when HSN had the Age Verification Statement on their join page. That converted like a dream.. too bad they had to get rid of it.. but even what they have now did great.. cept for it going through web powers buggy ass system with a horrible scrub.

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08-09-2005, 07:44 PM

you know what xxx maybe you should hit up VIP.. he is very persistant and seems very willing to please.. ;) Maybe he can get you ahigh payout which would offset the cross sell. Would have to be atleast $35 though right? \ hmm 100 signs up a week though.. thats very decent <cough> $40

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08-09-2005, 07:46 PM

Originally posted by washiez

Actually Tricams was run by Castview.. which Mtree abandoned and started their own site. Castview then made the site Home Sex Network which ARS pushed for a couple years.. I hear that Castview is working on their own program now so be on the lookout for that.

Is cast view behind lazydollars.com, because I believe that backend is tricams.

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08-09-2005, 07:53 PM

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Is cast view behind lazydollars.com, because I believe that backend is tricams.

Yeah I think thats it.. but from what I can tell they are still working on it... so who knows what the final thing is gonna look like..

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08-09-2005, 07:59 PM

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Yea now the xsell is UNchecked and a lower rate... really doesnt affect the sales tho... contact me, tell me how much you want... im sure we can work something out to make you happy and make you $$$.

Trust me, any kind of xsell on free cc verify join will affect ratios. The surfer is already wary on why he has to enter his cc info when it said "free", you then throw in any mention of a charge with the xsell and it will affect ratios. Several times over the last three years hsn who was getting the bulk of my cam traffic would add a xsell and mine and other webmasters ratios would immediately plummet, they would remove it and ratios would return.

Nothing against you Pimp, but I won't do biz with Epic because of your boss. Lately he seems to want to bag on the top cam programs by distorting the facts. I'm not really trying to bag on Epic, but just thought people should know the facts. I know Pimpdog thinks his antics are all fun and games, but I'm not inclined to do biz with someone who calls my mother a whore and at the same time wants my traffic. I gotta draw the line somewhere.

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08-09-2005, 08:02 PM

Originally posted by lazycash

Trust me, any kind of xsell on free cc verify join will affect ratios. The surfer is already wary on why he has to enter his cc info when it said "free", you then throw in any mention of a charge with the xsell and it will affect ratios. Several times over the last three years hsn who was getting the bulk of my cam traffic would add a xsell and mine and other webmasters ratios would immediately plummet, they would remove it and ratios would return.

Nothing against you Pimp, but I won't do biz with Epic because of your boss. Lately he seems to want to bag on the top cam programs by distorting the facts. I'm not really trying to bag on Epic, but just thought people should know the facts. I know Pimpdog thinks his antics are all fun and games, but I'm not inclined to do biz with someone who calls my mother a whore and at the same time wants my traffic. I gotta draw the line somewhere.

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08-09-2005, 08:04 PM

Originally posted by washiez

Yeah I think thats it.. but from what I can tell they are still working on it... so who knows what the final thing is gonna look like..

Its working and been up for at least four months. I've only sent them a little traffic, but I do like their $25 + 20% program, although its only on a purchase and not a free cc verify.

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08-09-2005, 08:05 PM

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Its working and been up for at least four months. I've only sent them a little traffic, but I do like their $25 + 20% program, although its only on a purchase and not a free cc verify.

Cool didn't know it was ready yet.. I tried it a while ago and it was very very buggy and i was told they were still working on it.. Yeah that $25 + 20 % looks nice even without the verify thing.. but I think my traffic likes the free verified sign up process the most.

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08-09-2005, 08:10 PM

Originally posted by washiez

Oh hell yeah.. who can forget when HSN had the Age Verification Statement on their join page. That converted like a dream.. too bad they had to get rid of it.. but even what they have now did great.. cept for it going through web powers buggy ass system with a horrible scrub.

Yeah those were the days, I was doing 1:45 for the month consistently. I've been doing 1:85 lately with hsn, so it seems that ifriends processing is somewhat better than it was after the switchover in jan and feb. I need to switch all my links and promo to ifriends and get the higher payout, just been lazy. I guess it still bothers me how all those hsn webmasters had their good cc rejected on test signups after the hsn switchover. I don't think CC shaves, but their fraud scrubbing at times is ridiculous, I never had these long stretches of hits without a sale on the old hsn.

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08-09-2005, 08:15 PM

Originally posted by washiez

Cool didn't know it was ready yet.. I tried it a while ago and it was very very buggy and i was told they were still working on it.. Yeah that $25 + 20 % looks nice even without the verify thing.. but I think my traffic likes the free verified sign up process the most.

So does my traffic, I wish Lars would come out with a free cc verify payout option. He has the promo material and system down now to make it profitable.

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08-09-2005, 08:21 PM

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Yep, you have to do 60+ signups per period on the free pay per signup just to average a $25 payout. Less than 5% of your webmasters promoting epiccams are doing 60+ per period, so the tiered payout is a bit misleading and makes epiccams the lowest paying pay per free sign up program on the web. The fact that pimpdog continues to pass it off as high paying is a joke.

but he did try to offer me $60 per signup but recanted after i told him I would take him up on it.

In **most** cases you will convert as good (or bad) as the promos and advertising tools you are using to push that program. For ClickCash I make my own stuff and use the signup page in an iframe. I convert very well with them. Why someone would advertise a free website with fewer girls and fewer features for a lot less money is mind boggling to me.

If you get 60 signups for the period for clickcash you are making about a $45 per signup average. EVEN if you did convert a little less (which I could probably help you convert better) you would still make a lot more money with clickcash. Just makes no sense to me, why settle for less ??

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08-09-2005, 08:32 PM

Originally posted by lazycash

Yeah those were the days, I was doing 1:45 for the month consistently. I've been doing 1:85 lately with hsn, so it seems that ifriends processing is somewhat better than it was after the switchover in jan and feb. I need to switch all my links and promo to ifriends and get the higher payout, just been lazy. I guess it still bothers me how all those hsn webmasters had their good cc rejected on test signups after the hsn switchover. I don't think CC shaves, but their fraud scrubbing at times is ridiculous, I never had these long stretches of hits without a sale on the old hsn.

Hey didn't we talk about this before in the past. I honestly can not remember I have talked to so many people. If you looking to switch back to ifriends let me help you. I will make custom stuff for you, the stuff that has converts the best for me. I try to tell everyone, they key to making good sales is how you advertise the program, basically how well YOU sell it. If you promos suck or are old your sales will suck. Even changing a couple words and the text you use is key and could make the difference on a lot of sales. If i help you tell everyone about it, if don't tell them I am full of shit and I don't know what I am talking about lol

What do you have to lose ?

ICQ: 86364801 Email: will [at] innovativeassets [dot] com

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08-09-2005, 08:39 PM

they all use the same back end Bode who owns sextracker

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