What if the terrorists are the "good guys"? - GoFuckYourself.com

Rob · 08-05-2005, 06:43 PM

What if they're merely freedom fighters in a struggle to over-throw the maniacal reign of the evil Western Empire? What if they?re like early American Indians beleaguered to remove a hostile occupation force from their sacred land? The Indians fought back ferociously but still lost a long drawn and bloody struggle against the ?White Occupation?.

This shit is deep. What if we?re really the bad guys here?

chadglni · 08-05-2005, 06:44 PM

Enter 12clicks to call you a sheep.

I'm sure they believe in what they are fighting for the same as the US believes they are right.

SouthernGirl · 08-05-2005, 06:44 PM

it's all relative.
what might be justice to you might not be justice to me.

tungsten · 08-05-2005, 06:45 PM

can i have some of what you're having?

The Truth Hurts · 08-05-2005, 06:46 PM

What if the moon were made of cheese?

Wilbo · 08-05-2005, 06:48 PM

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Originally Posted by HighOnAcid

What if they're merely freedom fighters in a struggle to over-throw the maniacal reign of the evil Western Empire? What if they?re like early American Indians beleaguered to remove a hostile occupation force from their sacred land? The Indians fought back ferociously but still lost a long drawn and bloody struggle against the ?White Occupation?.

This shit is deep. What if we?re really the bad guys here?

I see how you got your nick now.

SouthernGirl · 08-05-2005, 06:48 PM

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Originally Posted by The Truth Hurts

What if the moon were made of cheese?

mmm cheese

seven · 08-05-2005, 06:50 PM

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Originally Posted by The Truth Hurts

What if the moon were made of cheese?

what if your ass didn't have a hole?

AdultMovies.bz · 08-05-2005, 06:51 PM

Its a pretty shocking thought, but when you do think of it from their point of view its the Americans who are flying over their country, dropping bombs and killing innocent people... I guess it just depends on who's perspective you look at it all from.

wedouglas · 08-05-2005, 06:51 PM

There are universal morals/laws that preceed all religous beleifs and cultural customs. Terrorist dont follow these.

Rob · 08-05-2005, 06:51 PM

Sarcasm at its best.

SouthernGirl · 08-05-2005, 06:52 PM

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Originally Posted by wedouglas

There are universal morals/laws that preceed all religous beleifs and cultural customs. Terrorist dont follow these.

neither do american armed forces

Probono · 08-05-2005, 06:52 PM

They believe what you are asserting. What we believe is what we see through our information and cultural perspective. Regardless of belief the taking of innocent human life for political goals has been around forever and is part of the human fabric. I however cannot condone it regardless of who is doing it. My views however don't seem to mean much in this crazy world.

If extremists of any camp prevail, all thinking people lose. It is amazing that we are being dominated by religion and fanatics again after an age of enlightenment.

SouthernGirl · 08-05-2005, 06:53 PM

it's a crash course in religious fundamentalism

bringer · 08-05-2005, 06:57 PM

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Originally Posted by HighOnAcid

What if they're merely freedom fighters in a struggle to over-throw the maniacal reign of the evil Western Empire? What if they?re like early American Indians beleaguered to remove a hostile occupation force from their sacred land? The Indians fought back ferociously but still lost a long drawn and bloody struggle against the ?White Occupation?.

This shit is deep. What if we?re really the bad guys here?

freedom fighters target their oppressors where terrorists target everyone including children who have nothing to do with their struggle. these people have no education and are easily manipulated into ending their lives for someone elses cause. very similar to the united states military, however they don't do suicide bombings but rather shoot and ask questions later as their commanders order.

bringer · 08-05-2005, 06:59 PM

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Originally Posted by AdultMovies.bz

Its a pretty shocking thought, but when you do think of it from their point of view its the Americans who are flying over their country, dropping bombs and killing innocent people... I guess it just depends on who's perspective you look at it all from.

Americans arent targeting innocent people, and its infact their fault for putting a weapons plant or a military installation next to a pre school in hopes of producing weapons and training terrorists without any interference.

wedouglas · 08-05-2005, 07:02 PM

do american armed forces blow up popular civilian locales? I highly doubt the US army goes out of its way to kill civilians. civilian will be killed, its unfortunate, but it will happen when there is a war. the US army has killed innocent people, but ask yourself if they are actually targeting them. big difference.

wedouglas · 08-05-2005, 07:02 PM

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Originally Posted by bringer

Americans arent targeting innocent people, and its infact their fault for putting a weapons plant or a military installation next to a pre school in hopes of producing weapons and training terrorists without any interference.

beat me to it

BlueDesignStudios · 08-05-2005, 07:25 PM

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Originally Posted by wedouglas

do american armed forces blow up popular civilian locales? I highly doubt the US army goes out of its way to kill civilians. civilian will be killed, its unfortunate, but it will happen when there is a war. the US army has killed innocent people, but ask yourself if they are actually targeting them. big difference.

I doubt this fact is of much comfort to the families of those killed by war

wedouglas · 08-05-2005, 07:29 PM

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Originally Posted by BlueDesignStudios

I doubt this fact is of much comfort to the families of those killed by war

never said it was.

BlueDesignStudios · 08-05-2005, 07:35 PM

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Originally Posted by wedouglas

never said it was.

cool, I never accused you of never saying it was so, just my

SuckOnThis · 08-05-2005, 07:38 PM

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Originally Posted by wedouglas

do american armed forces blow up popular civilian locales? I highly doubt the US army goes out of its way to kill civilians.

Yea, I guess those 260,000 people killed in Japan were all military.

wedouglas · 08-05-2005, 07:44 PM

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Originally Posted by SuckOnThis

Yea, I guess those 260,000 people killed in Japan were all military.

ahh touche (spelling?). however, things are totally different today, I'm sure you'll agree.

websiex · 08-05-2005, 07:49 PM

Did they think of civilians when they flew those planes into our buildings?

directfiesta · 08-05-2005, 07:50 PM

Just watch on Military Channel an hour long docu on the war in afghanistan ....

Poups, not the US one, the one of the Russian... The one were the USA was supplying missiles and road side bombs to trhe fedayine ...

To the Americans, they were freedom fighters, to the Russians terrorists ....

SmokeyTheBear · 08-05-2005, 07:50 PM

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Originally Posted by bringer

Americans arent targeting innocent people, and its infact their fault for putting a weapons plant or a military installation next to a pre school in hopes of producing weapons and training terrorists without any interference.

would have to argue that point..

Of course they are targetting civilians.. If you drop a 1000 lb bomb on a 2 story weapons factory next to a pre-school that you know to be occupied what else would you call it..

Its not hard math , you know how far damage will go , you know there are innocent people nearby , you know they will die. I would call that "targetting"

They dont intentionally target "only" civilians , but they obviously target places that they "know" civilians may/will die.. thats a fact..

The difference is americans target civilians to protect us from a greater harm , whereas terrorists target civilians as propoganda to scare them.

bringer · 08-05-2005, 08:21 PM

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Originally Posted by SmokeyTheBear

would have to argue that point..

Of course they are targetting civilians.. If you drop a 1000 lb bomb on a 2 story weapons factory next to a pre-school that you know to be occupied what else would you call it..

Its not hard math , you know how far damage will go , you know there are innocent people nearby , you know they will die. I would call that "targetting"

They dont intentionally target "only" civilians , but they obviously target places that they "know" civilians may/will die.. thats a fact..

The difference is americans target civilians to protect us from a greater harm , whereas terrorists target civilians as propoganda to scare them.

i guess we just have a different definition of the word targeting. i guess id consider them more as collateral damage then actual targets because the bombings would take place if they were there or not.

WarChild · 08-05-2005, 08:23 PM

People should know when they are conquered.

SmokeyTheBear · 08-05-2005, 08:27 PM

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Originally Posted by bringer

i guess we just have a different definition of the word targeting. i guess id consider them more as collateral damage then actual targets because the bombings would take place if they were there or not.

I suppose , the way i figure it is, if you KNOW innocent people will die by dropping a bomb/shooting a gun/rocket etc then you are targetting someone.

Its simple math, they have stats guys that could tell them before hand the odds. like 97% probability anyone within 500 yards will die. Then they have sat. photos or surveilance showing civilians within 400 yards. Then they absolutely know without a doubt innocent people will die.. They still do it because they also have another odds man telling them the factory is capable of killing hundreds of american soldiers , and the math says less people die by killing some innocent civilians in the crossfire..

BUT terrorists are only in the "terror" game for propoganda purpose's

BradM · 08-05-2005, 08:28 PM

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Originally Posted by WarChild

People should know when they are conquered.

Would you? Would I?

bringer · 08-05-2005, 08:29 PM

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Originally Posted by SmokeyTheBear

I suppose , the way i figure it is, if you KNOW innocent people will die by dropping a bomb/shooting a gun/rocket etc then you are targetting someone.

Its simple math, they have stats guys that could tell them before hand the odds. like 97% probability anyone within 500 yards will die. Then they have sat. photos or surveilance showing civilians within 400 yards. Then they absolutely know without a doubt innocent people will die.. They still do it because they also have another odds man telling them the factory is capable of killing hundreds of american soldiers , and the math says less people die by killing some innocent civilians in the crossfire..

BUT terrorists are only in the "terror" game for propoganda purpose's

i guess i agree with that

directfiesta · 08-05-2005, 08:30 PM

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Originally Posted by WarChild

People should know when they are conquered.

People should know when they are beaten.

tenderobject · 08-05-2005, 08:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Wilbo

I see how you got your nick now.

what he said.. need more acid bro

Murderous · 08-05-2005, 08:31 PM

I guess that just makes us all assholes, now doesn't it?

Joe Citizen · 08-05-2005, 08:32 PM

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Originally Posted by bringer

Americans arent targeting innocent people, and its infact their fault for putting a weapons plant or a military installation next to a pre school in hopes of producing weapons and training terrorists without any interference.

Nothing wrong with executing collaborators.

You collaborate with the ememy during a war and you die. Every side does it.

What's funny is that you think it's different when they do it.

WarChild · 08-05-2005, 08:35 PM

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Originally Posted by directfiesta

People should know when they are beaten.

Exactly. Silly Arabs should just give up. Oh well, a killing we will go.

mrthumbs · 08-05-2005, 08:35 PM

Thats the biggest thing for people to grasp;

you have to understand and KNOW that they think about us exactly as we feel about them.

If you had muslim 'terrorists' come in your house and kill your children i bet you would give you life to take revenge and kill that fucker.. or cheer when hes killed.

Then you might say "but hey.. i didnt kill their kid" .. well you did.. and if its not family that suffers because of 'our people' its their god that does.

Its hard for western civil. to grasp that their religion is as holy for them as our family, children is for us. And if you know something is out there that is a THREAT to you or your family.. you would love to see it dead..

Manga1 · 08-05-2005, 08:36 PM

Shock and Awe

bringer · 08-05-2005, 08:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Joe Citizen

Nothing wrong with executing collaborators.

You collaborate with the ememy during a war and you die. Every side does it.

What's funny is that you think it's different when they do it.

its different when people die because they live next to a factory building bombs and when people die on their way to work because they got on the wrong bus miles from the nearest military target.

WarChild · 08-05-2005, 08:37 PM

I tell you what. When I'm enjoying my lovely first class seat to Costa Rica, if anyone remotely Arab looking even breathes wrong back in economy I'm going to head on back and dish out a little shock and awe myself.

Triple 6 · 08-05-2005, 08:37 PM

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Originally Posted by bringer

i guess we just have a different definition of the word targeting. i guess id consider them more as collateral damage then actual targets because the bombings would take place if they were there or not.

target is someone you MEAN to kill.

period

mrthumbs · 08-05-2005, 08:38 PM

And besides.. youre right on your initial statement: their damage to our culture and society is NOTHING compared to what we did to them the last 100 years.

Joe Citizen · 08-05-2005, 08:41 PM

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Originally Posted by bringer

its different when people die because they live next to a factory building bombs and when people die on their way to work because they got on the wrong bus miles from the nearest military target.

Or live in the wrong village in Vietnam?

My Lai: 504 unarmed innocent Vietnamese civilians systematically murdered by American troops.

We are every bit as dehumanised and brutal as they are.

Stop deluding yourself.

blazi · 08-05-2005, 08:48 PM

same old story, everybody wants to rule the world! when people realize that NO one person or country owns the world we will get along much better I believe

SuckOnThis · 08-05-2005, 08:59 PM

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Originally Posted by bringer

its different when people die because they live next to a factory building bombs and when people die on their way to work because they got on the wrong bus miles from the nearest military target.

So what exactly are you saying? That over 150,000 Iraqis are dead because they lived next to bomb factories? There's a reason the government keeps silent about the number of Iraqis killed.

jayeff · 08-05-2005, 09:24 PM

It's very cosy to tell ourselves we don't actually target civilians, but as others have already pointed out, they end up just as dead. And part of the same mindset is to demonize terrorists, but face it, they would need to be raving lunatics to attack only military targets when it is both safer and more effective to attack civilians. Perhaps a small reminder is in order too: namely that those civilians' votes are the reason military forces are adventuring abroad in the first place...

There is also something bizarre about the way we can be filled with self-righteous anger at even a perceived threat against us, and yet expect our victims to calmly accept the deaths of many thousands of their people.

12clicks · 08-06-2005, 10:19 AM

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Originally Posted by chadglni

Enter 12clicks to call you a sheep.

nah, I enter to ask who you are.

In the end, it doesn't matter if we're the good guys or they are. All that matters is we are we and they are they. As long as we're killing each other, I'll always root for we.

tristan_D · 08-07-2005, 11:55 PM

a lot of freedom fighters in history had been hated and murdered. I guess that's just the way it will be.

Downtime · 08-07-2005, 11:57 PM

go to sleep

08-05-2005, 06:43 PM	#1
Rob I'm a great bowler. Industry Role: Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Right Outside of Normal. Posts: 13,310	What if the terrorists are the "good guys"? What if they're merely freedom fighters in a struggle to over-throw the maniacal reign of the evil Western Empire? What if they?re like early American Indians beleaguered to remove a hostile occupation force from their sacred land? The Indians fought back ferociously but still lost a long drawn and bloody struggle against the ?White Occupation?. This shit is deep. What if we?re really the bad guys here? __________________

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wedouglas So Fucking Banned Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Dearborn, MI Posts: 5,921	There are universal morals/laws that preceed all religous beleifs and cultural customs. Terrorist dont follow these.

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Probono Confirmed User Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Under the Rainbow Posts: 2,731	They believe what you are asserting. What we believe is what we see through our information and cultural perspective. Regardless of belief the taking of innocent human life for political goals has been around forever and is part of the human fabric. I however cannot condone it regardless of who is doing it. My views however don't seem to mean much in this crazy world. If extremists of any camp prevail, all thinking people lose. It is amazing that we are being dominated by religion and fanatics again after an age of enlightenment. Last edited by Probono; 08-05-2005 at 06:54 PM..

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wedouglas So Fucking Banned Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Dearborn, MI Posts: 5,921	do american armed forces blow up popular civilian locales? I highly doubt the US army goes out of its way to kill civilians. civilian will be killed, its unfortunate, but it will happen when there is a war. the US army has killed innocent people, but ask yourself if they are actually targeting them. big difference.

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directfiesta Too lazy to set a custom title Industry Role: Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Punta Cana, DR Posts: 29,942	Just watch on Military Channel an hour long docu on the war in afghanistan .... Poups, not the US one, the one of the Russian... The one were the USA was supplying missiles and road side bombs to trhe fedayine ... To the Americans, they were freedom fighters, to the Russians terrorists .... __________________ I know that Asspimple is stoopid ... As he says, it is a FACT ! But I can't figure out how he can breathe or type , at the same time ....

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Murderous Confirmed User Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Pennsylvania Posts: 3,938	I guess that just makes us all assholes, now doesn't it?

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mrthumbs salad tossing sig guy Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: mrthumbs*gmail.com Posts: 11,702	Thats the biggest thing for people to grasp; you have to understand and KNOW that they think about us exactly as we feel about them. If you had muslim 'terrorists' come in your house and kill your children i bet you would give you life to take revenge and kill that fucker.. or cheer when hes killed. Then you might say "but hey.. i didnt kill their kid" .. well you did.. and if its not family that suffers because of 'our people' its their god that does. Its hard for western civil. to grasp that their religion is as holy for them as our family, children is for us. And if you know something is out there that is a THREAT to you or your family.. you would love to see it dead.. Last edited by mrthumbs; 08-05-2005 at 08:37 PM..

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WarChild Let slip the dogs of war. Industry Role: Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Bermuda Posts: 17,263	I tell you what. When I'm enjoying my lovely first class seat to Costa Rica, if anyone remotely Arab looking even breathes wrong back in economy I'm going to head on back and dish out a little shock and awe myself. __________________ .

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mrthumbs salad tossing sig guy Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: mrthumbs*gmail.com Posts: 11,702	And besides.. youre right on your initial statement: their damage to our culture and society is NOTHING compared to what we did to them the last 100 years.

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jayeff Confirmed User Join Date: May 2001 Posts: 2,944	It's very cosy to tell ourselves we don't actually target civilians, but as others have already pointed out, they end up just as dead. And part of the same mindset is to demonize terrorists, but face it, they would need to be raving lunatics to attack only military targets when it is both safer and more effective to attack civilians. Perhaps a small reminder is in order too: namely that those civilians' votes are the reason military forces are adventuring abroad in the first place... There is also something bizarre about the way we can be filled with self-righteous anger at even a perceived threat against us, and yet expect our victims to calmly accept the deaths of many thousands of their people.

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