Message I sent to Senator Barbara Boxer - GoFuckYourself.com

mardigras · 07-31-2005, 11:02 PM

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Message subject: The slippery slope you propose

As a regular viewer of CSPAN I have consistently and impressively found you to be one of the one of the most enlightened members of the US Senate on so many issues. However, it appears you have blindly jumped on the latest bandwagon in an effort to snag some conservative steam in next year's Senatorial elections and I would like to appeal to your common sense.

I am referring to your "threat" to crack down on P2P, specifically your comment, "if you don't move to protect our children, it's not going to sit well."

Ms. Boxer, with all due respect, expecting to clean the internet up to be a safe place for children is a very ignorant and dangerous stance.

For all the legislation that could possibly be imposed on US companies, the internet is a WORLD WIDE web. Unless you plan on blocking entire countries from being accessible from the US any legislation is going to fail.

Do you understand how P2P works? It is simply your computer hooking up to my computer and we can transfer not only files but messages. The person that is sending your kid a cartoon could easily be also trying to entice them into a meeting or attempting to brainwash them with whatever agenda. Not only that, but as soon as I add a file to my shared folder it becomes available to others. This means that even if the P2P company has blocked a word/file name I can rename my file to get around that filter while the person browsing my files will still be able to know exactly what it is. If you have ever used spam filtering on your e-mail you will know what I mean when you get e-mails soliciting, for instance, pen1s p1llz or v1@gr@.

It is impossible to filter OUT to make the internet safe for children, you must only allow what is appropriate for a child in the first place and there are many softwares that will do that 100% for lazy parents who think a computer should be their babysitter. This is very similar to the ability for a parent to set their TV/cable box/satellite to only allow channels/program ratings that they pre-approve (which some refuse to use and instead want you and your fellow legislatures to ban certain TV programming for all including adults). In addition there are family ISPs that only allow family friendly sites.

P2P is no different from *ANY* interactivity that a child could have with others online (including any chat/email/instant messengers/messageboards/newsgroups or other forums), it ALL puts them at risk.

If you want to take a tough stance and propose legislation that will *actually protect children* you should advocate making it a serious crime to allow a child unsupervised unfiltered access to the internet as much as it would be to toss them a bottle of vodka and/or keys to a car. You don't ban alcohol and cars because a child might use them, you punish parents who allow it. If a mother was afraid that her kid or their friends might mention to someone keen to report them for the felony of allowing children to surf the net unattended you can best bet that little Johnny won't be surfing porn on his mom's computer.

Unless you plan first to make it illegal for adults to view adult material I fail to see the logic or legality of passing legislation that P2P software developers may not have the manpower, capital or technological ability to enforce, or in in the case of programs from other countries not subject to US law.

As far as piracy, I fully support protecting the rights of copyright owners, please separate that issue from "protect the children".

Thomas

tristan_D · 07-31-2005, 11:13 PM

that's a very good point. thanks for this read.

DateDoc · 07-31-2005, 11:17 PM

Wow, that is just too long to read after a few cocktails but i have to say in regards to

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As a regular viewer of CSPAN I have consistently and impressively found you to be one of the one of the most enlightened members of the US Senate on so many issues.

that she is far from enlightened and even here on her home turf she has, in many of our eyes, stepped over the line. Especially when she said the bombings in London were the fault of the United States. Regardless of whether you are for or against the war in Iraq we must always support our troops. They are following orders. Barabara Boxer does not give that impression. She is the kind of politician that would disown them as Americans. She has had a lot of support in this area in elections past but I think and hope she will be looking for a new job after the next election.

mardigras · 07-31-2005, 11:32 PM

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Originally Posted by BusterPorn

Wow, that is just too long to read after a few cocktails but i have to say in regards to

that she is far from enlightened and even here on her home turf she has, in many of our eyes, stepped over the line. Especially when she said the bombings in London were the fault of the United States. Regardless of whether you are for or against the war in Iraq we must always support our troops. They are following orders. Barabara Boxer does not give that impression. She is the kind of politician that would disown them as Americans. She has had a lot of support in this area in elections past but I think and hope she will be looking for a new job after the next election.

When you sober up I wish you would fire off a message or few youself

reed_4 · 08-01-2005, 12:07 AM

As far as piracy, I fully support protecting the rights of copyright owners, please separate that issue from "protect the children".

am glad you wrote that....

KRL · 08-01-2005, 12:08 AM

Great letter!

mardigras · 08-01-2005, 12:10 AM

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Originally Posted by reed_4

As far as piracy, I fully support protecting the rights of copyright owners, please separate that issue from "protect the children".

am glad you wrote that....

Was kinda my whole point

mardigras · 08-01-2005, 12:12 AM

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Originally Posted by KRL

Great letter!

Thanks KRL, means a lot

SixNine · 08-01-2005, 12:14 AM

Very nicely written although "with all due respect" followed by "ignorant" cancels out the "with all due respect". I remember when Barbara Boxer used to politic in Frisco waaaay back in the day.

moneymotivates · 08-01-2005, 12:15 AM

mardigras, props on writing that, well said!

je_rome · 08-01-2005, 12:15 AM

i also think that's a great letter. it's meaty and substantial.

mardigras · 08-01-2005, 12:17 AM

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Originally Posted by SixNine

Very nicely written although "with all due respect" followed by "ignorant" cancels out the "with all due respect". I remember when Barbara Boxer used to politic in Frisco waaaay back in the day.

With all due respect, she was being ignorant

BradM · 08-01-2005, 08:03 AM

Bump. This is a good read.

candyflip · 08-01-2005, 08:08 AM

Great read. I'm sure some lowly intern opening her mail will enjoy it.

Digibucks · 08-01-2005, 08:15 AM

thou its a bit long to read...its very informative, thanks for the nice read

Redrob · 08-01-2005, 08:22 AM

I am refresh by your pro-active stance. Very nice. Now, if we can just get everyone to take the time to write a letter expressing their point of view, we can educate Congress as a whole.

sperbonzo · 08-01-2005, 08:26 AM

Very nicely written. (although I DESPISE Senator Boxers politics.... and would personally never write to her... that was still a very good letter)

mardigras · 08-01-2005, 11:02 AM

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Originally Posted by candyflip

Great read. I'm sure some lowly intern opening her mail will enjoy it.

Unfortunately

mardigras · 08-01-2005, 11:03 AM

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Originally Posted by Redrob

Now, if we can just get everyone to take the time to write a letter expressing their point of view, we can educate Congress as a whole.

Yeah, too many of them are willing to legislate that which they have no clue.

tony286 · 08-01-2005, 11:08 AM

You should send that letter to every member of senate and to all the news papers.

mardigras · 08-01-2005, 11:15 AM

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Originally Posted by tony404

You should send that letter to every member of senate

Carries more weight if it comes from their own voters

Minte · 08-01-2005, 11:16 AM

For the most part the letter was well written.However if she is like any of the politicians I have dealt with over the years,she will either delete or stop reading at this line.

Ms. Boxer, with all due respect, expecting to clean the internet up to be a safe place for children is a very ignorant and dangerous stance.

Always save the personal opinion's until after you've gotten through what's really important.If you can't wow her with the facts you won't blind her with bullshit either.

lchaim · 08-01-2005, 12:34 PM

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Originally Posted by mardigras

Carries more weight if it comes from their own voters

For Shore!

I didn't get a chance to meet her when I stopped by her office a few years ago, but her interns were very nice.

You made a very valid and solid point, hopefully it makes it to her desk.

chadglni · 08-01-2005, 12:37 PM

Make it illegal to allow a kid unmonitored access to the net. Yeah that will fly over real well. Too bad you screwed up your entire rant with that part of your spill.

uno · 08-01-2005, 12:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tony404

You should send that letter to every member of senate and to all the news papers.

Yah, but please do a spelling/grammar check first.

nojob · 08-01-2005, 12:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by uno

Yah, but please do a spelling/grammar check first.

Good read. Uno you had to add that in lol.

mardigras · 08-01-2005, 01:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by uno

Yah, but please do a spelling/grammar check first.

Meanie

MicroChick · 08-01-2005, 06:08 PM

If you are serious about getting your point across, then have a proofreader clean up the bad English, and send it in a letter, not email.

Seriously, letters are much better received than email.

You have made some good points, but take it a step beyond email. That extra effort of putting a stamp on the envelope with your name & address and signature will be more powerful.

nofx · 08-01-2005, 07:06 PM

great message bro

!

keep it up ;]

ezrydn · 08-01-2005, 07:13 PM

They know me as a "single-issue" voter. I watch their votes (only have to track 3 people!) and my vote is either for or against their "record."

07-31-2005, 11:02 PM	#1
mardigras Bon temps! Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: down yonder Posts: 14,194	Message I sent to Senator Barbara Boxer In response to this article... Please feel free to adapt and send to other legislatures ----------------------------------------------------- Message subject: The slippery slope you propose As a regular viewer of CSPAN I have consistently and impressively found you to be one of the one of the most enlightened members of the US Senate on so many issues. However, it appears you have blindly jumped on the latest bandwagon in an effort to snag some conservative steam in next year's Senatorial elections and I would like to appeal to your common sense. I am referring to your "threat" to crack down on P2P, specifically your comment, "if you don't move to protect our children, it's not going to sit well." Ms. Boxer, with all due respect, expecting to clean the internet up to be a safe place for children is a very ignorant and dangerous stance. For all the legislation that could possibly be imposed on US companies, the internet is a WORLD WIDE web. Unless you plan on blocking entire countries from being accessible from the US any legislation is going to fail. Do you understand how P2P works? It is simply your computer hooking up to my computer and we can transfer not only files but messages. The person that is sending your kid a cartoon could easily be also trying to entice them into a meeting or attempting to brainwash them with whatever agenda. Not only that, but as soon as I add a file to my shared folder it becomes available to others. This means that even if the P2P company has blocked a word/file name I can rename my file to get around that filter while the person browsing my files will still be able to know exactly what it is. If you have ever used spam filtering on your e-mail you will know what I mean when you get e-mails soliciting, for instance, pen1s p1llz or v1@gr@. It is impossible to filter OUT to make the internet safe for children, you must only allow what is appropriate for a child in the first place and there are many softwares that will do that 100% for lazy parents who think a computer should be their babysitter. This is very similar to the ability for a parent to set their TV/cable box/satellite to only allow channels/program ratings that they pre-approve (which some refuse to use and instead want you and your fellow legislatures to ban certain TV programming for all including adults). In addition there are family ISPs that only allow family friendly sites. P2P is no different from ANY interactivity that a child could have with others online (including any chat/email/instant messengers/messageboards/newsgroups or other forums), it ALL puts them at risk. If you want to take a tough stance and propose legislation that will actually protect children you should advocate making it a serious crime to allow a child unsupervised unfiltered access to the internet as much as it would be to toss them a bottle of vodka and/or keys to a car. You don't ban alcohol and cars because a child might use them, you punish parents who allow it. If a mother was afraid that her kid or their friends might mention to someone keen to report them for the felony of allowing children to surf the net unattended you can best bet that little Johnny won't be surfing porn on his mom's computer. Unless you plan first to make it illegal for adults to view adult material I fail to see the logic or legality of passing legislation that P2P software developers may not have the manpower, capital or technological ability to enforce, or in in the case of programs from other countries not subject to US law. As far as piracy, I fully support protecting the rights of copyright owners, please separate that issue from "protect the children". Thomas __________________ .

07-31-2005, 11:13 PM	#2
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08-01-2005, 12:08 AM	#6
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08-01-2005, 12:14 AM	#9
SixNine Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: The Sea Town Posts: 1,357	Very nicely written although "with all due respect" followed by "ignorant" cancels out the "with all due respect". I remember when Barbara Boxer used to politic in Frisco waaaay back in the day.

08-01-2005, 12:15 AM	#10
moneymotivates Confirmed User Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 511	mardigras, props on writing that, well said!

08-01-2005, 08:03 AM	#13
BradM Confirmed User Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: 1123,6536,5231 Posts: 3,397	Bump. This is a good read.

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08-01-2005, 08:15 AM	#15
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08-01-2005, 08:22 AM	#16
Redrob Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: In a refrigerator box by the tracks. Posts: 4,791	I am refresh by your pro-active stance. Very nice. Now, if we can just get everyone to take the time to write a letter expressing their point of view, we can educate Congress as a whole.

08-01-2005, 08:26 AM	#17
sperbonzo I'd rather be on my boat. Industry Role: Join Date: May 2003 Location: Miami, FL Posts: 9,748	Very nicely written. (although I DESPISE Senator Boxers politics.... and would personally never write to her... that was still a very good letter) __________________ Michael Sperber / Acella Financial LLC/ Online Payment Processing [email protected] / http://Acellafinancial.com/ ICQ 177961090 / Tel +1 909 NET BILL / Skype msperber

08-01-2005, 11:08 AM	#20
tony286 lurker Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: atlanta Posts: 57,021	You should send that letter to every member of senate and to all the news papers.

08-01-2005, 11:16 AM	#22
Minte Babemeister Industry Role: Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: Madison Posts: 7,081	For the most part the letter was well written.However if she is like any of the politicians I have dealt with over the years,she will either delete or stop reading at this line. Ms. Boxer, with all due respect, expecting to clean the internet up to be a safe place for children is a very ignorant and dangerous stance. Always save the personal opinion's until after you've gotten through what's really important.If you can't wow her with the facts you won't blind her with bullshit either. __________________ You might not be as anonymous as you think you are.

08-01-2005, 12:37 PM	#24
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MicroChick Confirmed User Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: California Posts: 1,277	If you are serious about getting your point across, then have a proofreader clean up the bad English, and send it in a letter, not email. Seriously, letters are much better received than email. You have made some good points, but take it a step beyond email. That extra effort of putting a stamp on the envelope with your name & address and signature will be more powerful.

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