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mardigras 07-31-2005 11:02 PM

Message I sent to Senator Barbara Boxer
 
In response to this article...
Please feel free to adapt and send to other legislatures
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Message subject: The slippery slope you propose

As a regular viewer of CSPAN I have consistently and impressively found you to be one of the one of the most enlightened members of the US Senate on so many issues. However, it appears you have blindly jumped on the latest bandwagon in an effort to snag some conservative steam in next year's Senatorial elections and I would like to appeal to your common sense.

I am referring to your "threat" to crack down on P2P, specifically your comment, "if you don't move to protect our children, it's not going to sit well."

Ms. Boxer, with all due respect, expecting to clean the internet up to be a safe place for children is a very ignorant and dangerous stance.

For all the legislation that could possibly be imposed on US companies, the internet is a WORLD WIDE web. Unless you plan on blocking entire countries from being accessible from the US any legislation is going to fail.

Do you understand how P2P works? It is simply your computer hooking up to my computer and we can transfer not only files but messages. The person that is sending your kid a cartoon could easily be also trying to entice them into a meeting or attempting to brainwash them with whatever agenda. Not only that, but as soon as I add a file to my shared folder it becomes available to others. This means that even if the P2P company has blocked a word/file name I can rename my file to get around that filter while the person browsing my files will still be able to know exactly what it is. If you have ever used spam filtering on your e-mail you will know what I mean when you get e-mails soliciting, for instance, pen1s p1llz or v1@gr@.

It is impossible to filter OUT to make the internet safe for children, you must only allow what is appropriate for a child in the first place and there are many softwares that will do that 100% for lazy parents who think a computer should be their babysitter. This is very similar to the ability for a parent to set their TV/cable box/satellite to only allow channels/program ratings that they pre-approve (which some refuse to use and instead want you and your fellow legislatures to ban certain TV programming for all including adults). In addition there are family ISPs that only allow family friendly sites.

P2P is no different from *ANY* interactivity that a child could have with others online (including any chat/email/instant messengers/messageboards/newsgroups or other forums), it ALL puts them at risk.

If you want to take a tough stance and propose legislation that will *actually protect children* you should advocate making it a serious crime to allow a child unsupervised unfiltered access to the internet as much as it would be to toss them a bottle of vodka and/or keys to a car. You don't ban alcohol and cars because a child might use them, you punish parents who allow it. If a mother was afraid that her kid or their friends might mention to someone keen to report them for the felony of allowing children to surf the net unattended you can best bet that little Johnny won't be surfing porn on his mom's computer.

Unless you plan first to make it illegal for adults to view adult material I fail to see the logic or legality of passing legislation that P2P software developers may not have the manpower, capital or technological ability to enforce, or in in the case of programs from other countries not subject to US law.

As far as piracy, I fully support protecting the rights of copyright owners, please separate that issue from "protect the children".

Thomas

tristan_D 07-31-2005 11:13 PM

that's a very good point. thanks for this read.

DateDoc 07-31-2005 11:17 PM

Wow, that is just too long to read after a few cocktails but i have to say in regards to
Quote:

As a regular viewer of CSPAN I have consistently and impressively found you to be one of the one of the most enlightened members of the US Senate on so many issues.
that she is far from enlightened and even here on her home turf she has, in many of our eyes, stepped over the line. Especially when she said the bombings in London were the fault of the United States. Regardless of whether you are for or against the war in Iraq we must always support our troops. They are following orders. Barabara Boxer does not give that impression. She is the kind of politician that would disown them as Americans. She has had a lot of support in this area in elections past but I think and hope she will be looking for a new job after the next election.

mardigras 07-31-2005 11:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BusterPorn
Wow, that is just too long to read after a few cocktails but i have to say in regards to

that she is far from enlightened and even here on her home turf she has, in many of our eyes, stepped over the line. Especially when she said the bombings in London were the fault of the United States. Regardless of whether you are for or against the war in Iraq we must always support our troops. They are following orders. Barabara Boxer does not give that impression. She is the kind of politician that would disown them as Americans. She has had a lot of support in this area in elections past but I think and hope she will be looking for a new job after the next election.

When you sober up I wish you would fire off a message or few youself :winkwink:

reed_4 08-01-2005 12:07 AM

As far as piracy, I fully support protecting the rights of copyright owners, please separate that issue from "protect the children".

am glad you wrote that....

KRL 08-01-2005 12:08 AM

Great letter!

mardigras 08-01-2005 12:10 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by reed_4
As far as piracy, I fully support protecting the rights of copyright owners, please separate that issue from "protect the children".

am glad you wrote that....

Was kinda my whole point :winkwink:

mardigras 08-01-2005 12:12 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KRL
Great letter!

Thanks KRL, means a lot :thumbsup

SixNine 08-01-2005 12:14 AM

Very nicely written although "with all due respect" followed by "ignorant" cancels out the "with all due respect". I remember when Barbara Boxer used to politic in Frisco waaaay back in the day.

moneymotivates 08-01-2005 12:15 AM

mardigras, props on writing that, well said! :thumbsup

je_rome 08-01-2005 12:15 AM

i also think that's a great letter. it's meaty and substantial.

mardigras 08-01-2005 12:17 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SixNine
Very nicely written although "with all due respect" followed by "ignorant" cancels out the "with all due respect". I remember when Barbara Boxer used to politic in Frisco waaaay back in the day.

With all due respect, she was being ignorant :upsidedow

BradM 08-01-2005 08:03 AM

Bump. This is a good read.

candyflip 08-01-2005 08:08 AM

Great read. I'm sure some lowly intern opening her mail will enjoy it. :(

Digibucks 08-01-2005 08:15 AM

thou its a bit long to read...its very informative, thanks for the nice read :)

Redrob 08-01-2005 08:22 AM

I am refresh by your pro-active stance. Very nice. Now, if we can just get everyone to take the time to write a letter expressing their point of view, we can educate Congress as a whole.

sperbonzo 08-01-2005 08:26 AM

Very nicely written. (although I DESPISE Senator Boxers politics.... and would personally never write to her... that was still a very good letter) :thumbsup

mardigras 08-01-2005 11:02 AM

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Originally Posted by candyflip
Great read. I'm sure some lowly intern opening her mail will enjoy it. :(

Unfortunately:(

mardigras 08-01-2005 11:03 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Redrob
Now, if we can just get everyone to take the time to write a letter expressing their point of view, we can educate Congress as a whole.

Yeah, too many of them are willing to legislate that which they have no clue.

tony286 08-01-2005 11:08 AM

You should send that letter to every member of senate and to all the news papers.

mardigras 08-01-2005 11:15 AM

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Originally Posted by tony404
You should send that letter to every member of senate

Carries more weight if it comes from their own voters :2 cents:

Minte 08-01-2005 11:16 AM

For the most part the letter was well written.However if she is like any of the politicians I have dealt with over the years,she will either delete or stop reading at this line.

Ms. Boxer, with all due respect, expecting to clean the internet up to be a safe place for children is a very ignorant and dangerous stance.

Always save the personal opinion's until after you've gotten through what's really important.If you can't wow her with the facts you won't blind her with bullshit either.

lchaim 08-01-2005 12:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mardigras
Carries more weight if it comes from their own voters :2 cents:

For Shore!

I didn't get a chance to meet her when I stopped by her office a few years ago, but her interns were very nice.

You made a very valid and solid point, hopefully it makes it to her desk.

:thumbsup

:pimp

chadglni 08-01-2005 12:37 PM

Make it illegal to allow a kid unmonitored access to the net. Yeah that will fly over real well. Too bad you screwed up your entire rant with that part of your spill.

uno 08-01-2005 12:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tony404
You should send that letter to every member of senate and to all the news papers.

Yah, but please do a spelling/grammar check first.

nojob 08-01-2005 12:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by uno
Yah, but please do a spelling/grammar check first.

Good read. Uno you had to add that in lol.

mardigras 08-01-2005 01:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by uno
Yah, but please do a spelling/grammar check first.

Meanie :tongue:

MicroChick 08-01-2005 06:08 PM

If you are serious about getting your point across, then have a proofreader clean up the bad English, and send it in a letter, not email.

Seriously, letters are much better received than email.

You have made some good points, but take it a step beyond email. That extra effort of putting a stamp on the envelope with your name & address and signature will be more powerful.

nofx 08-01-2005 07:06 PM

great message bro

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keep it up ;]

ezrydn 08-01-2005 07:13 PM

They know me as a "single-issue" voter. I watch their votes (only have to track 3 people!) and my vote is either for or against their "record."


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