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dropped9 · 07-30-2005, 06:17 PM

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Originally Posted by timlover

how many paysites I have created or launched? None recently.

However I am an affiliate webmaster. I am the primary person that brings your product to market. Don't forget that.

Who do you think is more intouch with the market base? The CEO of Coca Cola or the local distributer who delivers the shit to the grocery stores? The person who sets up the displays? Takes a personal interest in what is selling so he can bring similar product lines into the stores.

Both paysite creators and affiliate webmasters work hand in hand and each provides its own integral function into the devlopment and distribution of pornography.

LOL so you dont even own a paysite? No wonder... LOL

I think jay might me more in touch with his "market base" they you are... Do you recieve his member emails? Do you know where all of his traffic comes from? NO.

So you're an affiliate. You probally have your own type of niche or traffic you target. Say its teen. So these new sites dont meet your expectations.

So what? Jay already has you hooked. You said yourself you like raven.

What if jay wanted to hook those other "affiliates" with different type of traffic other then teen?

Jay is expanding his business and he did make the right choice to further take hold of the solo girl market. He just expanded his "niches"...

Like I said before... Start thinking outside the box. Then you just might get it.

sltr · 07-30-2005, 06:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by timlover

I am the primary person that brings your product to market. Don't forget that.

Who do you think is more intouch with the market base? The CEO of Coca Cola or the local distributer who delivers the shit to the grocery stores? The person who sets up the displays? Takes a personal interest in what is selling so he can bring similar product lines into the stores.

Both paysite creators and affiliate webmasters work hand in hand and each provides its own integral function into the devlopment and distribution of pornography.

1. incorrect.

2. the CEO, that's why they make the big bucks

3. you are seriously trying to argue that the display person knows more about running a company than the owner or chief decision maker?

Anthony · 07-30-2005, 06:36 PM

Anything you need, let me know Jayman.

You don't see what you did very often in this business.

Kudos.

3xTom · 07-30-2005, 06:40 PM

adding more Raven Rileys to our program is the easy way out....

adding the sites we added..... Yeah its a struggle to break into something new...

Guess what I enjoy the struggle and hard work that it takes...
Its what keeps me going..... Yeah we could have taken the easy way out...
But IMO..... We choose to move forward into different niches and try new things...
Get a larger affiliate back end and deal with MORE PEOPLE...

I thought that was called growing..... ( Increasing your affiliates..)
Using the same affiliates you already have to promote a new site?
Thats growing money not growing the company.....

Growing and running a company takes balls to look ahead and try to grow the people
selling for you.... ( the affiliates. ) I personally have alot of people that use these niches and wanted to add our program to their list of programs but guess what..... Raven didnt fit their "nitch" so I feel growing our affiliate database is more important than just using the same affiliates to promote the same type cookie cutter type site....

anyways thats why we decided to add what we added.....

RichCashOmar · 07-30-2005, 06:42 PM

Tom and JAyman won't last a MONTH in Porn, they're just a bunch of amateur who got in this yesterday and don't know what they're talking about!

3xTom · 07-30-2005, 06:46 PM

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Originally Posted by RichCashOmar

Tom and JAyman won't last a MONTH in Porn, they're just a bunch of amateur who got in this yesterday and don't know what they're talking about!

you got that right.....

Grapesoda · 07-30-2005, 06:55 PM

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Originally Posted by jaYMan

I will go to bat for my models. They wouldn't be in my program if I didn't believe and trust in thier work ethic or dedication to providing a quality experience for the members...

So, if you feel the need to personally bash them or fuck with them, do not be surprised if you find me reaching through my network of contacts & friends to fuck with you back... its a really small industry believe it or not.

IF you don't like the girl or the site, don't send traffic. The two new girls we are adding are not in the same niche as RavenRiley. Its not fair to compare them at ALL. So to those of you saying we are making a bad biz move by adding different niche type sites, you are fucking retarded, and like I said earlier, I WILL go to bat for these girls.

Say what you want, just realize it might have more reprecussions than you think.

in my experiece bro . . . the better yer doing the more crybaby BS goes on behind yer back . . . if some "crooked hat jerkoff's" are cryin' you must be stylin' . . .

bmb

Alice22 · 07-30-2005, 06:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 3xlinks

adding more Raven Rileys to our program is the easy way out....

adding the sites we added..... Yeah its a struggle to break into something new...

Guess what I enjoy the struggle and hard work that it takes...
Its what keeps me going..... Yeah we could have taken the easy way out...
But IMO..... We choose to move forward into different niches and try new things...
Get a larger affiliate back end and deal with MORE PEOPLE...

I thought that was called growing..... ( Increasing your affiliates..)
Using the same affiliates you already have to promote a new site?
Thats growing money not growing the company.....

Growing and running a company takes balls to look ahead and try to grow the people
selling for you.... ( the affiliates. ) I personally have alot of people that use these niches and wanted to add our program to their list of programs but guess what..... Raven didnt fit their "nitch" so I feel growing our affiliate database is more important than just using the same affiliates to promote the same type cookie cutter type site....

anyways thats why we decided to add what we added.....

Very true.

First thing i through when i saw those sites is WTF...why those girls.
But this is just because i only have teen traffic and nothing more.
I know how to sell "hot teens", but unfortunately i can't sell anything else. I just don't have the traffic source for it.
I gues this is what majority of your teen affliate think about the new sites.
But there is a huge nishe like "amateur" and this girls will do very well from that traffic .

iwantchixx · 07-30-2005, 07:24 PM

The new sites look fine to me. I don;t see a problem with them.

Just ignore the haters.

timlover · 07-30-2005, 07:47 PM

hey all the more power to Jayman and his crew...

it was just an opinion and just a discussion...

why does everything have to be a fight?

And yes I recieve his emails....even the one that was smarty corrupt....

nobody was crybabying anything behind anybodys back.

Since when is it wrong to have an opinion and discuss things in ones forum that they participate in on a daily basis?

I work in NN mostly. Our niche is cut-throat as is. Going outside the box in our industry....is a little more risky than here in adult....

nobody is hating anybody. What fits one person doesn't always fit another.

It was an interesting business move to say the least. Something that I would not have done if I was in their shoes....but I don't own nor run the company...

That does not mean however; that I can not have an opinion about it.

dropped9 · 07-30-2005, 09:18 PM

That is the problem with private boards. People cannot defend themselves on them when they are attacked and are not part of the "private" board.

That is why they suck.

banginbecky · 07-30-2005, 09:46 PM

im nervous enough as it is knowing that i am going to be out there for the whole world to see and have the whole world judge my looks. its kinda intimidating ya know, just when i start to have a little bit of confidence, someone comes along and makes me start doubting myself again. some people really know how to make a girl feel ugly.

dropped9 · 07-30-2005, 09:53 PM

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Originally Posted by banginbecky

im nervous enough as it is knowing that i am going to be out there for the whole world to see and have the whole world judge my looks. its kinda intimidating ya know, just when i start to have a little bit of confidence, someone comes along and makes me start doubting myself again. some people really know how to make a girl feel ugly.

Oh stop it you... Dont listen to anyone else but yourself. You will learn in time that there are many people on the net with a lot of nasty shit to say.

In time you will get a thicker skin. Its sad that ppl do shit like that.. But its just the way it is...

Your HOT and you know it girl!!!!!!!!!!

3xTom · 07-30-2005, 09:54 PM

Becky you know you FUCKING ROCK dont listen to these stupid fucking people its a slam against us not you

MikeB · 07-30-2005, 10:08 PM

jaYMan,

If they are talking about you then you must be doing something right!

See you soon,

Mike B

Anthony · 07-30-2005, 10:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by banginbecky

im nervous enough as it is knowing that i am going to be out there for the whole world to see and have the whole world judge my looks. its kinda intimidating ya know, just when i start to have a little bit of confidence, someone comes along and makes me start doubting myself again. some people really know how to make a girl feel ugly.

Fuck them backy!

Yer a Hawtie!!!

EZRhino · 07-30-2005, 10:19 PM

It is a really small industry and if they dont like the content then fuck em. Besides why take it out on the girl at all.

banginbecky · 07-31-2005, 12:26 AM

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Originally Posted by Anthony

Fuck them backy!

Yer a Hawtie!!!

thanks Anthony every bit of positive input i get really helps and it means alot to me.

cyberpunk · 07-31-2005, 12:34 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jaYMan

Thanks, and yes I am fully aware the new sites need a bit of tweeking, and thats whats happening now behind the scenes.

I'm not threatening anyone, I just want it to be known if you wanna bash me, my partner, or my models anon, and I find out who you are and if you have an account with me do not be surprised if you suddenly get an email from me saying to shove your 20 hits a day up your ass.

jay don;t need to threaten anyone... casue he's ogt nuff folks around that got his back and would take care of shit without him ever having to ask.

basschick · 07-31-2005, 12:35 AM

timlover - your opinion that a program should keep marketing to the same people with the same things over and over doesn't seem wise. why not continue to make bank with one niche, AND make money with new traffic? there's plenty out there.

becky - don't let them get to you. none of these people talking shit about your site are up on their own websites, plus you have experienced people behind you. you'll do great, and when you're a raving success, you can tell all those rude people to

Quote:

Originally Posted by banginbecky

im nervous enough as it is knowing that i am going to be out there for the whole world to see and have the whole world judge my looks. its kinda intimidating ya know, just when i start to have a little bit of confidence, someone comes along and makes me start doubting myself again. some people really know how to make a girl feel ugly.

chase · 07-31-2005, 12:49 AM

I've never promoted Raven....I have no experience in teen, really. I've mostly dealt with amateur. I am expanding into the teen niche a bit, because it is imperitive to my business that I grow, and I look at other ways to market, and part of that is presenting a different kind of product.

I imagine that's how Jayman and his crew look at it.

Becky: I like you. I like how you came on here and put yourself out there. Not a lot of the models we push do that. I'd bet I could hit you up on icq or Yahoo and chat for ten minutes...and when I present you to my surfer..I bet I can do a better job because of that conversation. Aside from that, I think you are wicked cute, too.

Murderous · 07-31-2005, 01:34 AM

Who don't like fat MILFs with mustaches?

bigdog · 07-31-2005, 01:41 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by banginbecky

im nervous enough as it is knowing that i am going to be out there for the whole world to see and have the whole world judge my looks. its kinda intimidating ya know, just when i start to have a little bit of confidence, someone comes along and makes me start doubting myself again. some people really know how to make a girl feel ugly.

Don't know why you are worried about the opinions of a bunch of 19 and 20 year old virgins on a message board. In the words of gfy i would hit it.

bodsforthemmods · 07-31-2005, 01:53 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by banginbecky

im nervous enough as it is knowing that i am going to be out there for the whole world to see and have the whole world judge my looks. its kinda intimidating ya know, just when i start to have a little bit of confidence, someone comes along and makes me start doubting myself again. some people really know how to make a girl feel ugly.

They are not even worth a second thought - you will do great, look back and laugh at their ignorance ;)

Xplicit · 07-31-2005, 02:09 AM

Okie thats cool of you to stick up for your 2 new models.

But it doesnt make them any less ugly.

s0laris2 · 07-31-2005, 01:22 PM

Everymodel is beautiful to someone. Diversifying makes WAY the fuck more sense then 5 ravens..

JayMan is doing the right thing..

BoogieCFZ · 07-31-2005, 03:32 PM

My 2 cents here.

I remember when jayman announced his program over at a competing webmasters website radio show. I was really pleased. Since then I'd followed the raven riley site and program with keen interest. I've read most of what jay has posted I've seen most of the content I've talked to him here and there about his program and I can say a few things that I'm 100% are true.

With this guy the models come first. I've seen insurmountable evidence to this fact. His models know they're in good hands and if someone talks shit about them on a board he's got their back. I love that. I love knowing that when I promote raven riley I'm promoting her as much as I am jayman or anyone involved in his program.

Secondly I know that he's bent over backwards in every way to make things great on affiliates. Man even produced HOSTED FREE SITES for link lists to use, which you'll find on many of the major link lists. He made sure he didnt forget link lists still carry a large market share and wanted to please these affiliates as well.

Overall they dont come much classier than this guy and his program. If you're talking shit about him or his girls its pretty obvious you dont know what the fuck you're doing, at least in my opinion. but what do I know, right? I'm small fish or whatever bullshit thing you'll come up with to help you sleep at night.

But I do know this; Unique girls with unique looks sell. You may not see a good looking girl on a site he produces you may not like it but who gives a FUCK what you like? you holding your credit card in one hand and your dick in the other? no. What matters is the bottom line and those girls will sell.

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07-30-2005, 06:42 PM	#56
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07-30-2005, 07:47 PM	#61
timlover Confirmed User Join Date: Nov 2002 Posts: 540	hey all the more power to Jayman and his crew... it was just an opinion and just a discussion... why does everything have to be a fight? And yes I recieve his emails....even the one that was smarty corrupt.... nobody was crybabying anything behind anybodys back. Since when is it wrong to have an opinion and discuss things in ones forum that they participate in on a daily basis? I work in NN mostly. Our niche is cut-throat as is. Going outside the box in our industry....is a little more risky than here in adult.... nobody is hating anybody. What fits one person doesn't always fit another. It was an interesting business move to say the least. Something that I would not have done if I was in their shoes....but I don't own nor run the company... That does not mean however; that I can not have an opinion about it. __________________

07-30-2005, 09:46 PM	#63
banginbecky Registered User Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 16	im nervous enough as it is knowing that i am going to be out there for the whole world to see and have the whole world judge my looks. its kinda intimidating ya know, just when i start to have a little bit of confidence, someone comes along and makes me start doubting myself again. some people really know how to make a girl feel ugly. __________________ if it makes ya money n makes ya horny... bank big with jaymancash!!!

07-31-2005, 12:49 AM	#72
chase Confirmed User Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Tampa Bay Posts: 6,019	I've never promoted Raven....I have no experience in teen, really. I've mostly dealt with amateur. I am expanding into the teen niche a bit, because it is imperitive to my business that I grow, and I look at other ways to market, and part of that is presenting a different kind of product. I imagine that's how Jayman and his crew look at it. Becky: I like you. I like how you came on here and put yourself out there. Not a lot of the models we push do that. I'd bet I could hit you up on icq or Yahoo and chat for ten minutes...and when I present you to my surfer..I bet I can do a better job because of that conversation. Aside from that, I think you are wicked cute, too. __________________ Need Hosting? Reality Check Network services me purrrfectly!

07-30-2005, 06:36 PM	#54
Anthony Keyboard Warrior Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: One of the outer rings of Hell Posts: 9,653	Anything you need, let me know Jayman. You don't see what you did very often in this business. Kudos.

07-30-2005, 06:40 PM	#55
3xTom Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Dec 2002 Posts: 1,610	adding more Raven Rileys to our program is the easy way out.... adding the sites we added..... Yeah its a struggle to break into something new... Guess what I enjoy the struggle and hard work that it takes... Its what keeps me going..... Yeah we could have taken the easy way out... But IMO..... We choose to move forward into different niches and try new things... Get a larger affiliate back end and deal with MORE PEOPLE... I thought that was called growing..... ( Increasing your affiliates..) Using the same affiliates you already have to promote a new site? Thats growing money not growing the company..... Growing and running a company takes balls to look ahead and try to grow the people selling for you.... ( the affiliates. ) I personally have alot of people that use these niches and wanted to add our program to their list of programs but guess what..... Raven didnt fit their "nitch" so I feel growing our affiliate database is more important than just using the same affiliates to promote the same type cookie cutter type site.... anyways thats why we decided to add what we added.....

07-30-2005, 07:24 PM	#60
iwantchixx Too lazy to set a custom title Industry Role: Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: The Boonies Posts: 12,860	The new sites look fine to me. I don;t see a problem with them. Just ignore the haters.

07-30-2005, 09:18 PM	#62
dropped9 Registered User Industry Role: Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Your moms box Posts: 26,727	That is the problem with private boards. People cannot defend themselves on them when they are attacked and are not part of the "private" board. That is why they suck.

07-30-2005, 09:54 PM	#65
3xTom Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Dec 2002 Posts: 1,610	Becky you know you FUCKING ROCK dont listen to these stupid fucking people its a slam against us not you

07-30-2005, 10:08 PM	#66
MikeB Confirmed User Join Date: Feb 2002 Posts: 2,012	jaYMan, If they are talking about you then you must be doing something right! See you soon, Mike B

07-30-2005, 10:19 PM	#68
EZRhino Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: couch Posts: 6,258	It is a really small industry and if they dont like the content then fuck em. Besides why take it out on the girl at all.

07-31-2005, 01:34 AM	#73
Murderous Confirmed User Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Pennsylvania Posts: 3,938	Who don't like fat MILFs with mustaches?

07-31-2005, 02:09 AM	#76
Xplicit Confirmed User Join Date: May 2003 Location: █◄►█ Posts: 3,558	Okie thats cool of you to stick up for your 2 new models. But it doesnt make them any less ugly.

07-31-2005, 01:22 PM	#77
s0laris2 Confirmed User Join Date: Jun 2002 Posts: 317	Everymodel is beautiful to someone. Diversifying makes WAY the fuck more sense then 5 ravens.. JayMan is doing the right thing.. __________________

07-31-2005, 03:32 PM	#78
BoogieCFZ Confirmed User Join Date: May 2003 Location: HELP I AM TRAPPED INSIDE A CHICKEN COOP Posts: 341	My 2 cents here. I remember when jayman announced his program over at a competing webmasters website radio show. I was really pleased. Since then I'd followed the raven riley site and program with keen interest. I've read most of what jay has posted I've seen most of the content I've talked to him here and there about his program and I can say a few things that I'm 100% are true. With this guy the models come first. I've seen insurmountable evidence to this fact. His models know they're in good hands and if someone talks shit about them on a board he's got their back. I love that. I love knowing that when I promote raven riley I'm promoting her as much as I am jayman or anyone involved in his program. Secondly I know that he's bent over backwards in every way to make things great on affiliates. Man even produced HOSTED FREE SITES for link lists to use, which you'll find on many of the major link lists. He made sure he didnt forget link lists still carry a large market share and wanted to please these affiliates as well. Overall they dont come much classier than this guy and his program. If you're talking shit about him or his girls its pretty obvious you dont know what the fuck you're doing, at least in my opinion. but what do I know, right? I'm small fish or whatever bullshit thing you'll come up with to help you sleep at night. But I do know this; Unique girls with unique looks sell. You may not see a good looking girl on a site he produces you may not like it but who gives a FUCK what you like? you holding your credit card in one hand and your dick in the other? no. What matters is the bottom line and those girls will sell. __________________ I have a Porn Blog that's actually fun to read. Like it? Link To It.