just so everyone knows and its crystal fucking clear
 

:mad: I will go to bat for my models. They wouldn't be in my program if I didn't believe and trust in thier work ethic or dedication to providing a quality experience for the members...

So, if you feel the need to personally bash them or fuck with them, do not be surprised if you find me reaching through my network of contacts & friends to fuck with you back... its a really small industry believe it or not.

IF you don't like the girl or the site, don't send traffic. The two new girls we are adding are not in the same niche as RavenRiley. Its not fair to compare them at ALL. So to those of you saying we are making a bad biz move by adding different niche type sites, you are fucking retarded, and like I said earlier, I WILL go to bat for these girls.

Say what you want, just realize it might have more reprecussions than you think.
:mad:

Very cool of you, now what two new girls do you speak of? I must of missed something.

Definatly man I am right behind you 100%

Jay chill out man.
You would fuck up someone's biz just because they didn't like the look of your models?
Come on.

Now if they attack them personally, different story.

I have not frame of reference for this rant so I don't now if that's the issue.

I just woke up and read this, so I think I missed something :-o

its no ones business who you add to your program, most of these pussies on here that will only promote teen, are fucking pansy;s. anything like hardcore , add whatever you want, if they are dissing your content, you dont need them or their traffic.

we know your stuff converts.

Thats pretty fucking retarded of them...

Thats not what I meant at all. What I am saying is I got my models back.

Both tit, and tat.

Capiche motherfucker? ;) seriously though, im getting these little anon msgs saying I'm fucking up by the 2 new sites we're working on cuz they don't "COMPARE" to Ravens site...

Okay...LOL

I understand you taking care of your biz...that's cool..and that you'll fight tooth and nail for your wimins and shit ;)

BTW how ya been?

Thanks, and yes I am fully aware the new sites need a bit of tweeking, and thats whats happening now behind the scenes.

I'm not threatening anyone, I just want it to be known if you wanna bash me, my partner, or my models anon, and I find out who you are and if you have an account with me do not be surprised if you suddenly get an email from me saying to shove your 20 hits a day up your ass.

Sounds like a nutcase stalker to me.

I wouldn't fuck with Jayman, he may look like a peace lovin' hippy, but I'm pretty sure he could throw a beatdown or two :)

fuck all the hates, it is your program. Good luck with the new sites.

We soft launched 2 new sites:

http://banginbecky.com
http://cumoncandi.com

Becky is a personal friend of mine, and she tries really hard at what shes doing with her pics and vids.

Candi we have just recently acquired the rights to manage and market, and I definately see potential in her work as well, she got pretty fucking far on her own and for not knowing a thing about the biz I'm sure she will do well.

and i dont think your a motherfucker, i know you are ;)

Ive been doing good man, no complaints really. yourself?

Just because the owner of the local grocery stroe doesnt like Coke products..... Doesnt mean that you wont find it on the shelves in his store.........

Aint bad, not sure if both of them are my cup of tea but hey happens with every program. Some sites work for me some do not.
Screw the haters though.

BTW does banginbecky load slow for anyone else?

Yeah...plenty of people promoting tranny and they don't actually like chicks with dicks.

It's all about the best return on your time and money when promoting a sponsor.

There will always be critics,just part of the business..maybe the haters just prefer fat MILFs with mustaches?

I been working with tech support on that issue the last couple days

Everyone likes something different what many webmasters fail to realize. If i was a surfer i would proably signup to bangingbeckys site over raven's because i like girls with some meat on their bones

I once saw jaYMan shoot a man just for snoring.....

Very well put Jayman. :thumbsup

Me too. :thumbsup

Fuck yes man. Me too. :thumbsup

Very nicely put :thumbsup

Good thing that you back up the models, and the sites. But why do you feel the need to explain anything about a niche decision. Fuck what these people think. If they dont like your program, they dont have to promote it.

Who cares?

I agree, it's nice you have their back, but seriously, who gives a flying fuck what some anonymous message guy/girl thinks or does?

If they dont' like it, fuck them. Opinions are like assholes, everyone has one and most are full of shit.

I guess I feel the need to defend it because its got my name on it, and someone said its a bad business move adding these girls into the program since raven is so this and that hot blah blah...

And it really wasn't anon, it was and still is on a private no nude webmaster msgboard. Had bout 5 people tell me about it, since I can't read it myself. You know what the funny thing is, the people that I know from that board that I thought were my friends, weren't the ones that told me about it. In fact, no one has told me who said it yet.

Don't let it get you so worked up. I mean, do your thing, do it well, and forget about the doubters. :2 cents:

That is because you are moving up in the world bro!
Jealousy is a motherfucker for sure! you will see you have less friends than you think!!

Don't forget to pencil me in for internext though! we got BIDNESS!

Sorry, but i can't understand it.

I saw this thread on this "private board" and i also sad my opinion in there.
But whats wrong with that ?

You know what....some single girls sites that i sent a lot of joins i found the girls ugly.
It's my personal opinion.
But i send good traffic and this is what important.

You come to paysite market with a girl that became a "star" and then you add 2 girls that most of the people will not find as attractive as Raven.
So webmasters can say that...nothing criminal here :)

I also have paysites, and some people say that emily18.com looks like pedo shit and they hate her look.
But i don't care. Everyone have they own opinion and we should just accept it.

just take it easy, and don't close affiliates account because they don't like your new girls, its not fair :)

Anyway, goodluck with a new sites, they can do well in the amateur niche.

Im not upset about webmasters saying that, what I took offense to was the fact that someone would say we are making a bad business move by adding ugly girls to the program. And saying that I use to be known as someone who can get girls like ravenr on the net, and now supposably I can only just get quote plain heffers

Ahh, I'm over it. I just wanted to state I got not only the customers best interests in mind, but also our models...

Looking forward to seeing you... gotta run now, my brother is draggin me off to an overpriced italian bistro *sighs* :winkwink:

What's wrong with someone giving their opinion? Just keep your blood pressure down by saying, "Thanks for your opinion. I appreciate it. Will you do me a favor and give it a try, though? I'd consider that a personal favor and would appreciate it."

Love the way you think man!

:thumbsup

Hey I'm also part of the non nude board, I chose not to say anything to you guys because no one really takes what the guy posts seriously.. Hes a freaking idiot..

A keyboard warrior if you will..

no worries jayman, half the morons talking shit about them couldnt get laid out of a chickens ass.

I think jayman is bangin becky, and thus the sensitivity.

i got your back jayman... Great sites and lets make some loot

what was wrote....was an opinion....

On an entirely different message board, in an entirely different niche....

I wrote the thread. I stand behind what I said as my opinion for discussions that we have on our board...

I did not come to GFY and bash your models here in your house...basically where you do your promo....

I didn't say that you weren't committed to your websites. I simply said that I thought the two girls that you added to your site portfolio was not a solid business move imo...

I was looking more for a discussion on the issue of paysite portfolios, model additions...etc.....within our own niche. There were a couple of webmasters who agreeded with me on the issue....and some that did not....

Raven is a great website. When I got the email that you had two new models..I was very excited...when I saw them....I was dissapointed....

Wherever your choose to go in your business strategy is your choice. I wish you well with your sites. I look forward to promoting those that work for me. However if I was in your shoes, I would have taken a different approach. I would have built on the strength of Raven's site, by following up with similar type models that would have allowed you to cross market them more readily within your established member and webmaster base. I personally as an affiliate promote Raven, but have no interest in promoting the new two..because they don't fit.

I would assume that alot of Ravens members and affiliate webmasters are into the teen niche. She is good looking, petite, mystique looking. The other two are a bit chubby and just don't really stand out to be that much special.

The focus of my topic was basically the discussion of how to plan and maximize your site portfolio if one chooses to go beyond one model.....

I would have followed up with a couple more hot girls, worked on your strengths that you currently have...instead of going towards some other models that are quite the extreme from Raven.....and having to build those up from scratch....and putting strain on your network at a time where you are trying to grow it...

I apologize if your took offense, but what was said..was said in private for subject discussion and not meant for your ears. If I had wanted to personally voice my opinion..I would have contacted you...

Unfortunatly there are as many drama queens at NNmasters as there are at GFY...and they live to create fights and drama.....

a pimp once told me:

"if you don't have haters in life, you haven't done much."

don't let them get to you!
if i went after every guy that pissed me off, i'd be doing life or DEAD!!!

By having the same looking girls through out the whole portfolio?

Why would he need 5 Raven look-a-likes in his site portfolio? There is no need. What he seems to be doing is taking a stab at different niches. Which imho is the smart move.


Its just plain dumb to have the same type of girls throughout ones portfolio. You need to think "outside" the box.

not exactly the same.....I'm just saying within the same avenue.

Two examples that come to mind....

SilverCash's new line of SoloGirl sites and TeenRevenues teen sites...

Just from business sense its wise to build on your established market and save your explorations into new niches...to a later date when you have a program that can absorb the shock of a program addition that is outside your normal fit.....

Jayman can do whatever he wants.....for me...I would have capitalized on the ease of incorporating similar style sites to my portfolio.

To me its a business issue. Why face more barriers of entry into a new market when you have established a presence and slight dominance in one. Focus on your stengths and grab more marketshare.

BanginBecky.com will have a market ... lots of guys love that girl you could meet in a bar and have the balls to talk to look ... and the site looks hot ....who did that for ya ... :thumbsup

Not everyone likes the same type girls. I think Jayman made a smart move now he can reach an even larger group. If every girl on my site looked the same I don't think I would make anymone.. Just my opinion..

Bella-Seaira

I'm not saying that the two sites won't sell. There is a market...

I'm just talking about fit for your already established market.

I would have opted for the market fit for my expansion into having more models in my site portfolio....with both a paid membership to draw on and an affiliate webmaster base that has already been targeted towards a specific niche....

hey tim, quick question-
how many pay sites or sponsorship programs have you successfully created? or launched?

or worked for?

or have any experience with?

I swear I didn't say anything bad about your models.

how many paysites I have created or launched? None recently.

However I am an affiliate webmaster. I am the primary person that brings your product to market. Don't forget that.

Who do you think is more intouch with the market base? The CEO of Coca Cola or the local distributer who delivers the shit to the grocery stores? The person who sets up the displays? Takes a personal interest in what is selling so he can bring similar product lines into the stores.

Both paysite creators and affiliate webmasters work hand in hand and each provides its own integral function into the devlopment and distribution of pornography.