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theking 07-23-2005 10:11 AM

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Originally Posted by Redrob
Wouldn't this legislation violate the Internet Tax Moritorium that was also passed by Congress? Just another Christo-Nazi assault on our industry. We will watch the bill for any signs of progress; but, it will probably die in Committee.

I highly suspect that you are correct on both points...but some people seem to cater to the "sky is falling" syndrome.

theking 07-23-2005 10:12 AM

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Originally Posted by ronbotx
Sorry the ACLU is too busy protecting child molesters and terrorists.....

There is far to much truth to your post.

mardigras 07-23-2005 10:13 AM

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Originally Posted by Giorgio_Xo
You are completely wrong. It is commercial speech, not a service. The Supreme Court has ruled that commercial speech can not be directly taxed. Minimal local taxation, e.g. sales taxes, is legal as long as it isn't applied unequally.

Restaurants are levied a special tax not levied on other businesses in many jourisdictions, casinos are almost always are. Taxation in our country is not equal, let alone consistent.

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Originally Posted by Giorgio_Xo
The South is racist and close-minded.

I live here. I can vouch there is truth in that statement. :helpme

theking 07-23-2005 10:15 AM

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Originally Posted by mardigras
Taxation in our country is not equal, let alone consistent.

You are correct.

Paraskass 07-23-2005 10:18 AM

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Originally Posted by Fetish
LOL - ok - maybe I will leace the greatest country on earth just so I can continue to do porn.

maybe you will consider doing so when you make more than 25$ a month.

J-$ 07-23-2005 10:20 AM

Bush is a pornstar!

bringer 07-23-2005 10:22 AM

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Originally Posted by theking
Well...it would be a strech to classify "news papers" as being an entertaiment service...although the news is often entertaining...but in answer to your question how in the hell could I possibly know?

cartoons, horoscopes, personals, opinion pages. none of those are news

theking 07-23-2005 10:24 AM

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Originally Posted by bringer
cartoons, horoscopes, personals, opinion pages. none of those are news

Thank you for pointing out the obvious...but I personally do not expect newspapers to be classified as an entertainment service and taxed as such...anytime soon. Do you?

directfiesta 07-23-2005 10:28 AM

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Originally Posted by bringer
i have a question. why do you blindly follow everything the government does and argue about how right it is.

Listen Bringer, I already agreed with you once in another thread .. .and now you force me to agree a second time in the same week ????

This hurts you know :1orglaugh :1orglaugh :1orglaugh

What's funny about TheKing ( aside that he is a gov cocksucking sheep) is that this tax has no influence on him...

25% or 50% or even 90% of 0.00 income is ZERO!

:2 cents:

mardigras 07-23-2005 10:34 AM

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Originally Posted by bringer
cartoons, horoscopes, personals, opinion pages. none of those are news

And if they made billions you can bet some polititian would be going after their chunk of it :upsidedow

bringer 07-23-2005 10:35 AM

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Originally Posted by theking
Thank you for pointing out the obvious...but I personally do not expect newspapers to be classified as an entertainment service and taxed as such...anytime soon. Do you?

i was simply pointing out the parts that might put papers into the entertainment section. who knows if it'll happen. i never expected walmart or any other asshole with money who likes my ocean view to cherry pick my property and have my local government force me to move so we'll just wait and see what our non elected leaders force down our throats. unpopular speach is often mislabeled in attempts to squash it. please dont reply to this post, i know you disagree and i really dont care.

bringer 07-23-2005 10:36 AM

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Originally Posted by directfiesta
Listen Bringer, I already agreed with you once in another thread .. .and now you force me to agree a second time in the same week ????

This hurts you know :1orglaugh :1orglaugh :1orglaugh

What's funny about TheKing ( aside that he is a gov cocksucking sheep) is that this tax has no influence on him...

25% or 50% or even 90% of 0.00 income is ZERO!

:2 cents:

the sky is falling

Linkster 07-23-2005 10:38 AM

In reference to newspapers being taxed - they would be protected under the 1st amendment of freedom of press and this has been upheld many times.
The supreme court has struck down a law which imposed a special tax on large newspapers, Minneapolis Star & Tribune Co. v. Minnesota Commissioner of Revenue,460 U.S. 575 (1983) , and a law which imposed a tax on some magazines but not others based on their subject matter, Arkansas Writers' Project, Inc. v. Ragland, 481 U.S. 221 (1987)

theking 07-23-2005 10:39 AM

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Originally Posted by bringer
i was simply pointing out the parts that might put papers into the entertainment section. who knows if it'll happen. i never expected walmart or any other asshole with money who likes my ocean view to cherry pick my property and have my local government force me to move so we'll just wait and see what our non elected leaders force down our throats. unpopular speach is often mislabeled in attempts to squash it. please dont reply to this post, i know you disagree and i really dont care.

I will ignore your request and reply anyhow. I cannot see anything in the post that I disagree with.

theking 07-23-2005 10:44 AM

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Originally Posted by directfiesta
Listen Bringer, I already agreed with you once in another thread .. .and now you force me to agree a second time in the same week ????

This hurts you know :1orglaugh :1orglaugh :1orglaugh

What's funny about TheKing ( aside that he is a gov cocksucking sheep) is that this tax has no influence on him...

25% or 50% or even 90% of 0.00 income is ZERO!

:2 cents:

FYI...I disagree with much...if not most...of what government does...be it local City Government...County Government...State Government...or Federal Government.

As for the rest of your post...like most of your posts...pig shit.

theking 07-23-2005 10:48 AM

BTW...my biggest bones to pick have usually been with City and County government as I used to have properties and City and County goverment effect properties. I kind of miss the City and County "wars".

lchaim 07-23-2005 11:10 AM

I'm curious if this will apply to both a 25% tax on the profit made by an affiliate making a sale on their end plus a 25% tax on the income received by the paysite.

:/

This as with many of the other changes going on right now in the adult industry were totally predictable.

:pimp

Mr.Fiction 07-23-2005 11:18 AM

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Originally Posted by Rick Latona
Cigarettes, alchohol, gasoline, airlines and a host of other industries have specific taxes they have to deal with.

Big differecene. None of those are speech.

Mr.Fiction 07-23-2005 11:20 AM

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Originally Posted by mardigras
Restaurants are levied a special tax not levied on other businesses in many jourisdictions, casinos are almost always are. Taxation in our country is not equal, let alone consistent.

Still, the taxes you list have nothing to do with free speech. Porn is speech, whether it's offensive to some people or not.

Mr Bond 07-23-2005 11:22 AM

Bottom Line: Government Greed... with Child Protecton as justification (for doing it).

When this gets in front of your regular Legislative MORNs all they see is Child Protecton and they compleetly ingnore the legal system (created by them) has been completly INCOMPETENT in keeping KNOWN Child Predators from killing children again and again.

I live in Florida... children abducted every week here and often killed... and that's just the ones that are found. Most are probably dead and never found. Point being, if they are unwilling to stop Convicted Child Predators (by not releasing them from jail)... why should we believe that they can protect children from a resource as abundant and as easly accessable as the Internet.

Mr.Fiction 07-23-2005 11:22 AM

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Originally Posted by theking
I do not "blindly follow everything the government does and argue about how right it is."

You blindly follow Fox.

The exceptions you list are just ones that you heard on Fox. You only disagree with the government when Fox says it's ok.

Try thinking for yourself for a change!

100?

mardigras 07-23-2005 11:31 AM

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Originally Posted by Mr.Fiction
Still, the taxes you list have nothing to do with free speech. Porn is speech, whether it's offensive to some people or not.

The taxes I listed were to show that our system of taxation is neither equal nor consistent.

Please show me any regulation that says the govenment cannot tax a for profit industry, even if some would say it's not entertainment or a service, but free speech.

Linkster 07-23-2005 11:34 AM

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Originally Posted by Giorgio_Xo
The South is racist and close-minded.

Would you like to explain that to me? I guess Im too close minded to understand it???

Lets see - definition of racist - to make derogatory remarks about one group of people
definition of close-minded - doesn't recognize the fact that other people have opinions

Redrob 07-23-2005 11:38 AM

Interesting Reads
 
Senator Santorum's view on Freedom of Speech:

"But you may have noticed that in pornography the words aren?t really the point, are they? ?Speech? implies words, rationally intelligible discussion and argument, communication. Pictures also can be ?worth a thousand words,? of course: Sometimes images are central to a political or social cause. But America?s huge porn industry is not about political debate; it is not about the communication of ideas. It?s about the commercial production of objects of titillation for profit. Based on the text of the Constitution, the courts should have recognized a hierarchy of protected ?speech,? with political speech and writing receiving the greatest constitutional protection, commercial speech less protection, and mere titillation the least of all."

For full article, visit:

http://www.nationalreview.com/commen...0507210812.asp

Also, did you know that the Catholic Church keeps secret archives in each diocese? It is required by Cannon Law and records "matters of morals."

Read more about the secret inworkings of the Catholic Church at:

http://www.snapnetwork.org/Special_i...on%20Paper.pdf

Mr.Fiction 07-23-2005 11:45 AM

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Originally Posted by mardigras
Please show me any regulation that says the govenment cannot tax a for profit industry, even if some would say it's not entertainment or a service, but free speech.

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances.

Look up the word "abridge".

Make it simple. Would it be constitutional to tax only hip-hop music?

theking 07-23-2005 11:47 AM

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Originally Posted by Mr.Fiction
Still, the taxes you list have nothing to do with free speech. Porn is speech, whether it's offensive to some people or not.

Porn is free speech...serving up porn for sale is not free speech it is a for sale service...entertainment service.

GatorB 07-23-2005 11:50 AM

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Originally Posted by ronbotx
Sorry the ACLU is too busy protecting child molesters and terrorists.....


You do realize that the relgious right make ZERO distinction between CP and regular porn and consider us and pedophiles one in the same. Also many in the religious right consider us MORE of a threat to American society than terrorists. I don't agree with the KKK but I sure as hell back their right to say what they want. that's the thing about freedom, if you want your own sometimes you have to defend someone elses you may not like. Picking and choosing WHICH people get to have rights and which one don't deseve them is a dangerous thing. So just be thankful the ACLU is there trying to protect your ass because they'll end up doing more for you than the stupid FSC ever will. I don't see the FSC making any comments on this either.

theking 07-23-2005 11:52 AM

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Originally Posted by Mr.Fiction
You blindly follow Fox.

The exceptions you list are just ones that you heard on Fox. You only disagree with the government when Fox says it's ok.

Try thinking for yourself for a change!

100?

Pig shit. C-Span is my primary source of news...as I prefer my news from the "horses mouth". My thinking is mine after having weighed the pros and cons...thankyou very much. Now feel free to :321GFY

Mr.Fiction 07-23-2005 11:53 AM

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Originally Posted by theking
Porn is free speech...serving up porn for sale is not free speech it is a for sale service...entertainment service.

Book publishers have no free speech protection? You believe it would be constitutional to add a 25% tax to any book publisher who publishes books that are critical of Bill Clinton?

:1orglaugh

Redrob 07-23-2005 11:53 AM

GatorB,
see my posts of #53, 79, and 104.

theking 07-23-2005 11:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Mr.Fiction
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances.

Look up the word "abridge".

Make it simple. Would it be constitutional to tax only hip-hop music?

When something is for sale it is not free speech...it is a for sale service...entertainment service.

Mr.Fiction 07-23-2005 11:58 AM

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Originally Posted by Redrob
Based on the text of the Constitution, the courts should have recognized a hierarchy of protected ?speech,? with political speech and writing receiving the greatest constitutional protection, commercial speech less protection, and mere titillation the least of all."

Based on the text of the constitution? :1orglaugh

The constitution makes no distinction on the type of speech. It wouldn't be free speech if the government could decide which speech was protected and which was not.

He should move to Saudi Arabia.

pocketkangaroo 07-23-2005 11:58 AM

All a tax will do is push companies to work overseas or offshore. It reminds me a lot of the online casino laws. Laws and taxes forced them offshore, and cost the government tax dollars they could have made from sponsors.

It's another stupid law and it will probably go through.

Mr.Fiction 07-23-2005 11:59 AM

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Originally Posted by theking
When something is for sale it is not free speech...it is a for sale service...entertainment service.

Books, movies, music, TV, radio, and art are not free speech?

http://www.starland.com/sf-sc/sf03/i...b%20People.JPG

theking 07-23-2005 12:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Mr.Fiction
Books, movies, music, TV, radio, and art are not free speech?

http://www.starland.com/sf-sc/sf03/i...b%20People.JPG

Of course they are and all pay taxes and some pay special taxes and all are subject to special taxes...just as the so called "sin taxes" that have been levied on certain products...and special zoning taxes that have been levied against strip clubs...adult stores...and even night clubs. As one pointed out taxes are not equal and with consistency.

This bill will probably die in committee...if it ever becomes law...the Supreme Court will decide the constitutionallity of it...end of story.

theking 07-23-2005 12:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Mr.Fiction
Based on the text of the constitution? :1orglaugh

The constitution makes no distinction on the type of speech. It wouldn't be free speech if the government could decide which speech was protected and which was not.

He should move to Saudi Arabia.

The government...city...county...state....and federal has many and multiple impositions against total free speech. Combative speech is against the law in most jurisdictions...as is hate speech...traitorious speech...certain speech in advertisements...speech on the airways...etc. etc.

Bottom line...government can and does control limitations on free speech...and always has.

Mr.Fiction 07-23-2005 12:20 PM

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Originally Posted by theking
The government...city...county...state....and federal has many and multiple impositions against total free speech. Combative speech is against the law in most jurisdictions...as is hate speech...traitorious speech...certain speech in advertisements...speech on the airways...etc. etc.

Bottom line...government can and does control limitations on free speech...and always has.

He specifically says "based on the text of the constitution", which does not make exceptions for speech that people don't like.

People like Santorum want the United States to be like Saudi Arabia and Cuba, where all speech has to be approved by the government or it is illegal.

theking 07-23-2005 12:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Mr.Fiction
He specifically says "based on the text of the constitution", which does not make exceptions for speech that people don't like.

People like Santorum want the United States to be like Saudi Arabia and Cuba, where all speech has to be approved by the government or it is illegal.

I know what he said and I know what you said.

" It wouldn't be free speech if the government could decide which speech was protected and which was not."

And I pointed out to you that the government...city...county...state...and federal can and do control limitations on free speech.

Redrob 07-23-2005 12:49 PM

I don't know who said the quote; but, I like it:

"You don't live in a free country if you are never offended."

mardigras 07-23-2005 02:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Mr.Fiction
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances.

Look up the word "abridge".

Make it simple. Would it be constitutional to tax only hip-hop music?

How is taxing porn prohibiting or curtailing it? It's not, no more than you could say that a restaurant tax prohibits food.

Hey, I fully believe that adults should be able to look at any porn they want to (featuring conscenting adults only), I'm just stating how the current government looks xcept CP & beastialityat it, don't forget we have an Attorney General who has gone on record saying that obscenity is not protected speech. As wrong as that may seem, that is the current situation.


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