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Giorgio_Xo 07-23-2005 08:51 AM

http://lincoln.senate.gov/

I just sent the Senator from Arkansas a nice email telling her to stop being unamerican and sucking up to the former slave-owners of her state.

mardigras 07-23-2005 08:52 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bringer

Exactly. :(

Giorgio_Xo 07-23-2005 08:56 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bringer

- searches with no warrants under the Patriot Act
- wiretap with no warrants under the Patroit Act.
- U.S. military intelligence is now operating domestically.
- over 8000 people are being held in the U.S. with no trial.
- The war in Iraq is illegal and unconstitutional. No declaration of war from Congress or UN mandate.
- Massive racial profiling against people of Arab origins.


I could sit here for hours....

Pim(P) 07-23-2005 09:00 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Giorgio_Xo
I just sent the Senator from Arkansas a nice email telling her to stop being unamerican and sucking up to the former slave-owners of her state.

:thumbsup

webair 07-23-2005 09:00 AM

maybe they will lift all of these consevative right wing bs regulations then? if they are making some cash on the deal im sure they wont want to put limits on how much we can make for them...


asses

Giorgio_Xo 07-23-2005 09:02 AM

A copy of my email to Sen. Lincoln:

The simple fact you propose to tax protected speech by 25% is disgusting and anti-American. I know you are sucking up for votes for 2008 from a conservative Fundamentalist Facist racist populace of your former slave-owning state. Taxing free speech of any kind is like taxing me because I am Hispanic. It is completely subjective and prejudicial. Then again Senator, you are from the South... the land of slavery. Things haven't changed much - only the white robes and hoods are in the closet. Stop trying to control what people can see and let us responsible adult decide what is best for my children. See you at the next book burning!

(edited)
Taxpayer

mardigras 07-23-2005 09:04 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by webair
maybe they will lift all of these consevative right wing bs regulations then? if they are making some cash on the deal im sure they wont want to put limits on how much we can make for them...

Yeah, they'll get right on that as soon as they get through removing the warning labels and other regulations on the booze and cigarettes they make a cut on :winkwink:

Code_Havoc 07-23-2005 09:06 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Giorgio_Xo
A copy of my email to Sen. Lincoln:

The simple fact you propose to tax protected speech by 25% is disgusting and anti-American. I know you are sucking up for votes for 2008 from a conservative Fundamentalist Facist racist populace of your former slave-owning state. Taxing free speech of any kind is like taxing me because I am Hispanic. It is completely subjective and prejudicial. Then again Senator, you are from the South... the land of slavery. Things haven't changed much - only the white robes and hoods are in the closet. Stop trying to control what people can see and let us responsible adult decide what is best for my children. See you at the next book burning!

(edited)
Taxpayer


Amen! :thumbsup

theking 07-23-2005 09:10 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bringer

In our system of government the Supreme Court has always been the determiner of what is within the Constitution and what is not. This has been determined by the Supreme Court to be within the constitution...thus it does not equal being unconstitutional.

HAPPYPEEKERS 07-23-2005 09:10 AM

Ya.. Blanche Lincoln is and always has been the idiot of Arkansas

This is not the first dumbass thing she has tried to pass...

Rick Latona 07-23-2005 09:12 AM

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Originally Posted by marketsmart
I really don't see how you can create a tax that applies only to a select industry. This has got to be un-constitutional....

I think at some point, people (adult industry) are going to realize that if they want to continue to do business in this industry, maybe the US is not the place to live......

Cigarettes, alchohol, gasoline, airlines and a host of other industries have specific taxes they have to deal with. The costs often get passed on to consumers. This would not be the case in adult porn because consumers could easily buy from offshore companies that didn't have this expense.

Lightspeed and others, you need to be aware that taxes like these get applied to gross revenue, not net revenue. They would take a percentage of your total sales. You would simply not be able to profit if your price point remained the same as your offshore competitors.

This is constitutional and probable. Governments often turn to taxes on unpopular products to raise revenue. The very first tax in the United States was on alchohol which led to the Whiskey Rebellion in the late 1700s. The term is called an excise tax and the governmet has used it as a fund raising vehicle since the beggining because they often get passed through congress.

bllott 07-23-2005 09:14 AM

i feel sick reading this

Redrob 07-23-2005 09:14 AM

Porn Tax, Child Abuse, and the Clergy...... Why we are the victims!
 
Today's Read: Tax on porno and child abuse.......

What is really fucked up about this is this is that in the same newspaper that reports the new 25% tax to protect kids is an article about two church daycare centers in Jacksonville, Florida being shut down for sexual child abuse of kids from 5 to 14 years of age.

When was the last time you heard of a mainstream adult webmaster, adult bookstore clerk, or titty dancer charged with child abuse?

The church groups are pointing fingers at the adult industry as "after your children" and pedophiliacs. In reality, the opposite is true.

We are the victims of a coordinated, well financed, and slanderous scheme to control the sexuality of the population. Even since the early days of the Catholic church, the clergy has realized that the Church's control over the population is directly linked to its control over the laity's sexuality. Hence, the Church's opposition to birth control, gay rights, divorce, abortion, pornography, etc. Do you see a pattern???

Moreover, with all their dirty laundry hanging about, i.e. priest and church workers molesting kids, they have to divert attention from themselves by blaming the adult industry and wrap themselves in a "protective cloak of God's love and purity" and hope the people won't get wise to their subterfuge.

Here is a website for you to look at and it doesn't include the Catholics:

http://reformation.com/
Then click on the "Reformation.com" folder in the left blue panel.

They call us perverts after the children while they are really the one's committing the crimes.......

We should expose this truth to our communities and ask them to take action against these people through increased penalties, zoning restrictions, background checks, licensing requirements, and everything else that they have done to the adult industry.

I think I'm gonna give this post its own thread..

GatorB 07-23-2005 09:14 AM

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Originally Posted by Johny Traffic
I was just thinking that. Im not from the states, so I dont know, but 25% tax seems low to me. Id be more than happy to pay 25% tax

Are you a retard? It's adding a 25% tax to surfers that come to your site. So if you charge $30 then that's $7.50 in taxes either you make the surfer pay, you eat or you take away from affilaites. In ANY of those scenarios you'll end up losing money.

How charging 25% porn tax somehow "protects" children from "evil" porn is something I have yet to figure out.

mardigras 07-23-2005 09:16 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Giorgio_Xo
A copy of my email to Sen. Lincoln:

The simple fact you propose to tax protected speech by 25% is disgusting and anti-American. I know you are sucking up for votes for 2008 from a conservative Fundamentalist Facist racist populace of your former slave-owning state. Taxing free speech of any kind is like taxing me because I am Hispanic. It is completely subjective and prejudicial. Then again Senator, you are from the South... the land of slavery. Things haven't changed much - only the white robes and hoods are in the closet. Stop trying to control what people can see and let us responsible adult decide what is best for my children. See you at the next book burning!

(edited)
Taxpayer

http://holyrolypoly.com/images/applause.gif

theking 07-23-2005 09:21 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Giorgio_Xo
- searches with no warrants under the Patriot Act
- wiretap with no warrants under the Patroit Act.
- U.S. military intelligence is now operating domestically.
- over 8000 people are being held in the U.S. with no trial.
- The war in Iraq is illegal and unconstitutional. No declaration of war from Congress or UN mandate.
- Massive racial profiling against people of Arab origins.


I could sit here for hours....

The Supreme Court either has or will determine the constitutionallity of the above.

FYI the war in Iraq is not a war as war can only be declared by Congress. The President has the power (under the War Powers Act)...granted to him by Congress many, many years ago...to engage our military forces without any approval of Congress and certainly without any approval of the UN.

The Congress (after 9/11) did...overwhemingly...vote to allow the President to use our military forces "as he sees fit"...and in addition specifically voted...overwhelmingly...to use our forces in Iraq. The UN does not play a role in the US constitution not does it play a role in...or on what occasion the US President and or the Congress can engage our military forces.

bringer 07-23-2005 09:22 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by theking
In our system of government the Supreme Court has always been the determiner of what is within the Constitution and what is not. This has been determined by the Supreme Court to be within the constitution...thus it does not equal being unconstitutional.

i know how the system works. :1orglaugh
people make mistakes, and this was one of them.
instead of labeling it unconstitutional, ill call it "selling out"

mardigras 07-23-2005 09:22 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Redrob
We should expose this truth to our communities and ask them to take action against these people through increased penalties, zoning restrictions, background checks, licensing requirements, and everything else that they have done to the adult industry.

My local paper doesn't publish letters to the editor that aren't supportive of conservatives. :(

Giorgio_Xo 07-23-2005 09:24 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by theking
The Supreme Court either has or will determine the constitutionallity of the above.

FYI the war in Iraq is not a war as war can only be declared by Congress. The President has the power (under the War Powers Act)...granted to him by Congress many, many years ago...to engage our military forces without any approval of Congress and certainly without any approval of the UN.

The Congress (after 9/11) did...overwhemingly...vote to allow the President to use our military forces "as he sees fit"...and in addition specifically voted...overwhelmingly...to use our forces in Iraq. The UN does not play a role in the US constitution not does it play a role in...or on what occasion the US President and or the Congress can engage our military forces.

Who said the War Powers Act is constitutional? :)

theking 07-23-2005 09:24 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Giorgio_Xo
A copy of my email to Sen. Lincoln:

The simple fact you propose to tax protected speech by 25% is disgusting and anti-American. I know you are sucking up for votes for 2008 from a conservative Fundamentalist Facist racist populace of your former slave-owning state. Taxing free speech of any kind is like taxing me because I am Hispanic. It is completely subjective and prejudicial. Then again Senator, you are from the South... the land of slavery. Things haven't changed much - only the white robes and hoods are in the closet. Stop trying to control what people can see and let us responsible adult decide what is best for my children. See you at the next book burning!

(edited)
Taxpayer

This email will of course not accomplish anything except to make you look the fool. An intelligent well thought out email would have been appropriate...this email is not either...and could be construed as being harmful.

Radik 07-23-2005 09:26 AM

Good news for Canadians, we might be playing a bigger role soon :).

mardigras 07-23-2005 09:27 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by theking
FYI the war in Iraq is not a war as war can only be declared by Congress.

Pfft! Tell any of our folks coming back with limbs blown off (or the families of those who return in caskets) that they weren't in a war :disgust

(Yes, I know you were referring to "technically")

theking 07-23-2005 09:28 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rick Latona
Cigarettes, alchohol, gasoline, airlines and a host of other industries have specific taxes they have to deal with. The costs often get passed on to consumers. This would not be the case in adult porn because consumers could easily buy from offshore companies that didn't have this expense.

Lightspeed and others, you need to be aware that taxes like these get applied to gross revenue, not net revenue. They would take a percentage of your total sales. You would simply not be able to profit if your price point remained the same as your offshore competitors.

This is constitutional and probable. Governments often turn to taxes on unpopular products to raise revenue. The very first tax in the United States was on alchohol which led to the Whiskey Rebellion in the late 1700s. The term is called an excise tax and the governmet has used it as a fund raising vehicle since the beggining because they often get passed through congress.

You are correct.

mardigras 07-23-2005 09:29 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by theking
This email will of course not accomplish anything except to make you look the fool. An intelligent well thought out email would have been appropriate...this email is not either...and could be construed as being harmful.

I found the letter to be concise, passionate and to the point. :glugglug

Giorgio_Xo 07-23-2005 09:29 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by theking
This email will of course not accomplish anything except to make you look the fool. An intelligent well thought out email would have been appropriate...this email is not either...and could be construed as being harmful.

Harmful? Like denying people their rights? Look... this is the U.S. I am free to express myelf as I deem fit.

Giorgio_Xo 07-23-2005 09:32 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by theking
You are correct.

Both you and Rick are wrong. This topic is about taxing protected speech. You can't tax speech. This has been decided by the Supreme Court many times.

Giorgio_Xo 07-23-2005 09:33 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mardigras
I found the letter to be concise, passionate and to the point. :glugglug

Actually, there are two grammatical errors at the end of the note but it's early Saturday and I am sleepy!

Thank you for the kind words.

mardigras 07-23-2005 09:34 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Giorgio_Xo
Both you and Rick are wrong. This topic is about taxing protected speech. You can't tax speech. This has been decided by the Supreme Court many times.

I think when it comes down to it they would declare that it is "entertainment" and fair game to taxation as other entertainment already is.

theking 07-23-2005 09:37 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Giorgio_Xo
Harmful? Like denying people their rights? Look... this is the U.S. I am free to express myelf as I deem fit.

Of course you have the right to express yourself and if you choose to make yourself out to be a fool in the eyes of the Congresswoman you have that right also...but it could also be construed as reflecting badly on those that are in this business.

theking 07-23-2005 09:39 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Giorgio_Xo
Both you and Rick are wrong. This topic is about taxing protected speech. You can't tax speech. This has been decided by the Supreme Court many times.

The tax would be on a service provided...not on free speech.

theking 07-23-2005 09:40 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mardigras
I think when it comes down to it they would declare that it is "entertainment" and fair game to taxation as other entertainment already is.

You are correct.

tony286 07-23-2005 09:42 AM

First it wont happen because the christian right want us all thrown in jail, a tax makes us a legimate business without question. I also think for people like lightspeed and solo girl sites, it wouldnt effect sales greatly. Tawney or Naughty Allie or Mandy Blake are a one of a kind thing if you want to see them you are going to pay. Where if you have a site thats not around one chick I can see people going else where there is no connection.

bringer 07-23-2005 09:50 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by theking
You are correct.

i have a question. why do you blindly follow everything the government does and argue about how right it is. we all know the system isnt perfect, as i pointed out, yet you post paragraphs basically representing your position as "if the government says its ok, then it must be." if you read that article i posted, it basically shows how the supreme court expanded the governments power to play muscle for anyone with money and yet you argue its constitutional because the vote was 5-4 in favor? its only constitutional to 5 people in power while 4 disagree and even warn about the rulings possible outcome. i guess from now on ill use quotes showing whats true in the powers that governs eyes instead of what the actually document dictates.

Giorgio_Xo 07-23-2005 09:50 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by theking
You are correct.

You are completely wrong. It is commercial speech, not a service. The Supreme Court has ruled that commercial speech can not be directly taxed. Minimal local taxation, e.g. sales taxes, is legal as long as it isn't applied unequally.

I am free to make a fool of myself but I wasn't. Much greater minds in this country such as Thomas Paine, Ben Franklin, etc. wrote much, much harsher words than I did! Read a little history. They actually proposed rebellion.

The South is racist and close-minded.

theking 07-23-2005 10:00 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bringer
i have a question. why do you blindly follow everything the government does and argue about how right it is. we all know the system isnt perfect, as i pointed out, yet you post paragraphs basically representing your position as "if the government says its ok, then it must be." if you read that article i posted, it basically shows how the supreme court expanded the governments power to play muscle for anyone with money and yet you argue its constitutional because the vote was 5-4 in favor? its only constitutional to 5 people in power while 4 disagree and even warn about the rulings possible outcome. i guess from now on ill use quotes showing whats true in the powers that governs eyes instead of what the actually document dictates.

I do not "blindly follow everything the government does and argue about how right it is."

I do not agree with many of the Supreme Court decisions or the legislation passed by the Congressional or the policies of the Executive branch.

In the case of the Supreme Court's decision to expand eminent domain to include proterties for private use...I deplore the decision (I never liked the original)...but the Court decided that it is within the Constitution and the majority court has always been the determiner of what is Constitutional and what is not. I am a pragmatist...not an idealist.

theking 07-23-2005 10:03 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Giorgio_Xo
You are completely wrong. It is commercial speech, not a service. The Supreme Court has ruled that commercial speech can not be directly taxed. Minimal local taxation, e.g. sales taxes, is legal as long as it isn't applied unequally.

I am free to make a fool of myself but I wasn't. Much greater minds in this country such as Thomas Paine, Ben Franklin, etc. wrote much, much harsher words than I did! Read a little history. They actually proposed rebellion.

The South is racist and close-minded.

It is an entertainment service and as has been pointed out an entertainment service is currently taxed.

bringer 07-23-2005 10:04 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by theking
It is an entertainment service and as has been pointed out an entertainment service is currently taxed.

using that logic news papers could be heavily taxed as well. i wonder how far we are from that reality

theking 07-23-2005 10:08 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bringer
using that logic news papers could be heavily taxed as well. i wonder how far we are from that reality

Well...it would be a strech to classify "news papers" as being an entertaiment service...although the news is often entertaining...but in answer to your question how in the hell could I possibly know?

Redrob 07-23-2005 10:09 AM

Wouldn't this legislation violate the Internet Tax Moritorium that was also passed by Congress? Just another Christo-Nazi assault on our industry. We will watch the bill for any signs of progress; but, it will probably die in Committee.

ronbotx 07-23-2005 10:11 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bringer
whens the aclu coming to the rescue?

Sorry the ACLU is too busy protecting child molesters and terrorists.....


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