New MO for muggers in London; just yell I'm a cop, frisk 'em, take whatever you want... shoot 'em if they catch on or resist... order any witnesses away by saying the victim has a bomb and you also need them to not contaminate your "crime scene", make your escape :disgust

Edit: 300 mistaken bombers :winkwink:

exactly, the police would be labelled as incompetent...

If true, that would be further evidence of my point; in the case of these recent terrorist acts in London, terrorism has worked very effectively.

Why dont you come over here and live how we are at the moment?
We may come out with all this "Not Afraid" stuff but the bottom line is that when you get on the tube you are shitting it. I do it every day.

The idiot died because he jumped a barrier. By the time he got to the barrier he would have seen the police and could have gone to them if he was worried about the undercover guys.

Read my post a couple up. Why haven't they released pics or videos of this person? Is it possible the coat wasn't as "heavy padded" as they make it seem and that the guy only favoried the person they "thought" he was as much as any 2 Asians would have common characteristics?

And right now they are being labeled what? :upsidedow

That's why I would like to see the footage around the incident. Maybe the cops at that particular platform were distracted by something else and actually weren't close by? I find this the most suspicious thing, they were so quick to present footage of the "others". Hell, if he was under surveilance seems like the cops should have been shooting their own video for evidence.

He was in Stockwell which has extra security anyway. That footage wont be released untill the inquest is over.

Then maybe some of the people here most vigorously defending the incident would be better off waiting until they see it to judge it. :winkwink:

In my opinion, and I am from London and live 3 miles from Stockwell, you dont fuck around at the moment. He had the MO of a suicide bomber and died the way a suicide bomber should do.

He must have been insane to jump the barrier at the moment especially when he actually had a valid train ticket.

That gives much credence to my opinion that he may have thought the person(s) he saw with a gun were out to harm him and in that fleeting moment of panic undercover cops never came to his mind.

If he didn't see any uniformed cops his best bet was to run into the train with other people. That's why I'd like to see the footage and show me there were uniformed cops there he chose not to run to.

agreed, u gotta be on best behaviour at the moment, dont fuck around, not a good idea right now

Every station has uniformed police by all entrances at the moment. Why dont you understand that all Londons agree the guy got shot because of his own stupidity.

It is only people that dont live here that think he should have been given a slap on the wrist. How could they slap him on the wrist when he was running to the train?

It is a shoot to kill policy now. It worked with the IRA and will work again.

What I understand is that a lot of people are saying what is and what should have been, but of the thousand articles at Google News not one confirming these things and after releasing photos and videos of the others within a day or so, there is nothing released from this incident. OK, so they want to finish their investigation. A single photo of him in a heavy padded jacket running away from uniformed cops would shut a lot of people up, including myself :upsidedow

You can add your own comment on the BBC News website..........

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/talking_point/4711189.stm

www.killpolice.com bitchessss

Mistake is a mistake, guy called it upon him slef, several eye witnesses have supported the claim, and I am sure the footage will be released during the investigation.

If you look at page 5 of this thread you will see loads of examples of people killed as a result of the shoot to kill policy.

Here is a story of a man pointing a wrapped up table leg at the police and getting shot.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/3974461.stm

It was clearly an error and they should appoligize, I am not doubting that, but until these police officers have been proven guilty they are innocent. All evidence so far supports their innocence.

The same mistake could very well have been made 3 weeks ago, even 6 months ago. If the police would've had a tip about a potential terrorist, they go and monitor him, the suspect is in a thick jacked during hot weather and going onto clearly the most logical target for a terrorist, they ask him to stop and he runs for the train, would've been the exactly same situation.

Not so long ago in Manchester a police man lost his life when an Al-Qaeda member stabbed him after they arrested him. He was too relaxed, wich is a luxury they can not allow them selfs.

You have to remember that the police officer that shot him followed him beliving that he had a bomb and was just a couple of feet away from him when he opened fire. Thinking all the time that he could detonate a bomb any second, so shooting him 5 times is a good way to make sure that he doesn't. People can live after being shot in the head once (obviously depends where they get shot in the head), they would be knocked out but could regain consciousness, shoot to kill means exactly that, make sure he's dead!

And once again, running away from armed police is always a bad idea, no matter if you are in a country that has never experienced terrorism or has just been attacked. It is stupid, plain and simple.

And to Mardigrass, you have no reason what so ever to not belive that he ran, just because his cousin said it was unlikely what the hell does that prove? Why on earth would the police shoot him if he proposed no threat?

*cough* except umm... you know... that mayor dude
:1orglaugh

NO

The people surfing the BBC News website can add their comments to THIS THREAD :1orglaugh

I'm thinking of buying the newest T-Shirt in London
But then again, maybe I'll pull on my Brazilian football shirt :)

I think you have mistaken my points here. I am not saying I don't think he ran from police. I am challenging those who are certain he did when there has been nothing official confirming that and those who say what would have been happening at the scene when there has also been nothing confirming that either. The government changed it's story in a major way concerning this man, so why are people so quick to defend the latest version before the investigation is completed and any evidence released?

He has to apologise. It is his job.

And another thing for you to ponder. If they were so certain this man was a potential problem why did they let him get all the way to the train before taking action? The official story does say they followed him from a house.

Wonder if the rumours about that Brazilain guy being an "illegal resident" and being well known on the gay scene affect some peoples opinions here lol

I heard ken livingstone plans to wear a fake suicide belt to express solidarity with the terrorists...

Were do you read he was an "illegal resident"? The articles I've read said he was legal.

They didn't know anything about the guy, but yeah, a good question is actually why did they let him get on the bus? Maybe the bus was to empty to be a prime target I don't know, but sounds like the most logical explanation to that. Sure you have to question things, and that is why there will be an official investigation. I'll be the first one to appoligize if it is proven that the officer used exessive force.

There are a few things that have to be answered, but to me it is clear, why would the police shoot him if they weren't convinced that he was an extreme threat to public safety? The man reacted in the wrong way and unfortunately payed for it with his life. And it is pretty clear that he did jump the ticket barrier, and he did run for the train after he was asked to stop.
Nothing justifies those actions by them man, what the hell di he run for??

And I hear Isreal plans to continue killing innocent Palesitinian babies...

:Oh crap

The cops were undercover, and this guy was asian... maybe he didn't speak english and thought they were trying to jack him?

He ws Brazilian and he spoke English.
Also a gang of ten or more armed people is not a common thing in England, so if they say they're the police 99.9999% chances is that they're telling the truth, as any person living there for years would know...

The dead man had not lived in London for years, but where he did live for years a gang of armed people 99.9999% chances weren't police and should be avoided. Old habits die hard. :2 cents:

I think injustice like that happen everywhere but only some are really reported.

3 to 4 years he how long he had been in the UK. Fuck it he shouldnt have jumped the barrier. He got shot.

We have a system for getting rid of terrorists and it works. We had to put up with the wankers called the IRA for years. The bottom line is this 'Shoot to Kill' policy works.

When the police tell you not to move in the UK it is highly advisable not to move.

3 years is plural, so yes, he had lived there for years.
And having lived there for years he either had to be completely unaware of the place he was living in to think he should run from the cops for no aparent reason, or he had a reason to run.
I know for sure that I would not try to run from the cops in Brazil as they most likely would shoot you (as he should know being a Brazilian).

oh and actually, gangs of armed pepole in Brazil, I'd say it was 50/50 on that

Shoot to kill policy works
 

http://www.gofuckyourself.com/showpo...&postcount=228

The British wiped out the IRA using it. We will now do it again against the suicide bombers fucking with us.

Where are the IRA now? On their knees begging for their piece of shit country back.

Hate the way we do things? Well you live with it. Want to come into our country and fuck with us? Pay back it final. We invented beheaded people in public. Want to see us get nasty?

http://www.gofuckyourself.com/showpo...&postcount=228

Most of the times we didnt even bother to turn up at the court trials.

To all people crying about the guy getting shot. Blow me. When British police say "Dont move" it is highly advisable not to move.

The more bullets that are pumped into idiots that fuck around disobeying the British the better.

Yep :2 cents:

If dudes in plain clothes are pointing guns at me, I'll put my hands up and say it's cool take anything you. Losing some chump change isn't worth my life.

Especially when there is bombings going on... it's a hyper sensitive situation.

I made the word years bold as to distinguish between 3 years and enough years to be totally absorbed into the lifestyle of a new country. Semantics as that may be, the last part of your statement is what is exactly repeating the main points I have been countering in this thread. The cops were not in uniform... there has been no mention of actual uniformed cops on the scene until afterwards... there has been no video released to even suggest that he may have known he was running from cops, and from the way the story is being told it sounds like they followed him all the way to the station, then at some point he jumped the turnstyle and rushed to the car, tripping as he did.

Until video is presented showing him running prior to jumping the turnstile, in a "heavily padded coat" or near uniformed officers, everything that you and a couple of others in this thread are trying to espouse as facts is nothing more than your opinion. :2 cents:

Sorry, I'm just a stickler for that "until proven guilty" thing. :winkwink:

I sure hope the carte blanch "kill anyone who fits the profile" policy will never be accepted here :eek2

Careful, you're supporting my argument :winkwink:

Well then the fuckers need to be in uniforms. :disgust

what part of he ran past armed police and normal police all in uniform who were standing by the barrier dont you understand?

Ofcourse not, you're from a S-state in the USA, you lynch people with out evidence :thumbsup

There is nothing that says this is not exactly what happened, you're just making things up, where have you ever heard anyone say that they did not identify them selfs as police?

There is also nothing that says the cop was not wearing a pink elephant suit and shot him with an apple, at least I've never heard anyone deny that...
maybe that is what actually happened, when we get the video then you'll all see!!! Pink Elephant suit and an apple I say!!! :upsidedow

Post me a reputable link that says he pushed past uniformed police (preferrably published after the government retracted the statement they knew he was connected to the attacks the day before :winkwink:)

I'm not familiar with your term S-state.Uhm, are you dense? You are proving my point. There is nothing that has been presented to the public that says this is or is not exactly what happened. Your judgement on what happened is like a trial jury making their decision after only hearing opening statements and never hearing any evidence.
You obviously breezed over my earlier posts before debating. That is why I broke this one down into step by step bits for you. Where did I ever say nobody "identified" themselves as police?

I'm not making a judgement on what actually happened until there is video or pictures collaberating the truth in the very different government's version Vs. witnesses versions or at least the testimony of those witnesses on the record and you should do the same. :2 cents:

I live just down from the station. I often pass through it. I know what the security is like there and at all stations now.

In other words you can't.

Unless you were at the station when this happened you have no idea what was going on the minutes prior nor know for sure that there were uniformed cops at the turnstile he jumped over. Half the world is debating it, they can issue a couple pictures and reduce the roar.

Sorry, ment southern state.

ok, if eye witness statements are not evidence in your eyes then the I don't understand how the legal system works where you're from
kind of sounds like it in the quote here below

All testimonies by witnesses have sofar supported pretty much what the cops said. The man ran like mad onto the train and got shot, he jumped the ticket barrier and he was wearing a thick coat.

Recent events have also shown that he had an expierd visa, so that is the most likely reason for his actions. But not even in Brazil does the police draw guns at people that have expierd visas (I know that from first hand experience).

It is a tragedy, but to me it's the same as if he had got startled and ran into inncomming traffic and got killed, the police could not be blamed there either

You mean like these witnesses?:
He must have forged documents that he showed his family.BTW, the article above raises my main question:One more:
How 'bout that... I practically Columbo'd that one...
If the behavior is "inexplicable", there's usually an explaination.