Is AlienQ a good designer? - GoFuckYourself.com

Rob · 07-19-2005, 09:19 PM

I don't think I have ever seen any of his work. Does anyone have any links to his work or possibly a link to his portfolio?

This is not an attack thread, I'm just curious. AlienQ screams from a mountain top how good his designs are and being another designer, I want to see what I'm up against. No drama here, just curiousity.

BVF · 07-19-2005, 09:20 PM

check porndollars sites

sonofsam · 07-19-2005, 09:20 PM

my site was done by him... see sig

chupachups · 07-19-2005, 09:21 PM

....graphics, conversions, usability? What are we talking about?

Mike Okitch · 07-19-2005, 09:23 PM

He's the only designer that I know who has never disclosed any information about his portfolio. I find this to be interesting.

3piece chicken Dinner · 07-19-2005, 09:25 PM

AlienQ is a complete and competent designer with experience and knowledge of this industry not just photoshop. I've said it before, I'll say it again, you may find him to be goofy, you may not like him, but when it comes to design he knows what he is doing.

Jace · 07-19-2005, 09:25 PM

http://cutelucie.com/ is one he did I am pretty sure

Rob · 07-19-2005, 09:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Chupachups

....graphics, conversions, usability? What are we talking about?

General aesthetics.

Jace · 07-19-2005, 09:26 PM

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Originally Posted by 3piece chicken Dinner

AlienQ is a complete and competent designer with experience and knowledge of this industry not just photoshop. I've said it before, I'll say it again, you may find him to be goofy, you may not like him, but when it comes to design he knows what he is doing.

and oh yeah, what he ^^^ said

Abyss_Vee · 07-19-2005, 09:28 PM

does very good work

Rob · 07-19-2005, 09:28 PM

I think I'm one of the few people here that have no problems with Alien. I've had a few conversations with him via ICQ (it was probably 2 years ago since I last talked to him). He even duped my sig with his own pic chewing on something green.

I have just heard both stories regarding his artwork and I wanted to judge them for myself.

Basic_man · 07-19-2005, 09:32 PM

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Originally Posted by sonofsam

my site was done by him... see sig

The design looks good, but the content rocks big time !

3piece chicken Dinner · 07-19-2005, 09:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Mike Okitch

He's the only designer that I know who has never disclosed any information about his portfolio. I find this to be interesting.

did you contact him about viewing his portfolio? He never had a problem disclosing his portfolio when I've requested it. In fact he usually shows me his latest work, or whatever I request. if I like what I see I place an order, and he has a chance to give me his thoughts and ideas on how he would handle my project.

Like I said you may not like AlienQ gfy poster, hell he is not my favorite. But as a designer he is good.

AlienQ - BANNED FOR LIFE · 07-19-2005, 09:37 PM

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Originally Posted by 3piece chicken Dinner

did you contact him about viewing his portfolio? He never had a problem disclosing his portfolio when I've requested it. In fact he usually shows me his latest work, or whatever I request. if I like what I see I place an order, and he has a chance to give me his thoughts and ideas on how he would handle my project.

Like I said you may not like AlienQ gfy poster, hell he is not my favorite. But as a designer he is good.

HAha, still trying to figure out who ya are

None the less I am glad some people think my work is good.
I get alot of bad press, I admit it part of it is intentional, some of it I am trying to put in my 2 cents.

Sometimes I am being out right wicked, but above all my work does come first. GFY passes the time easier as I design. Design is not somthing you can just sit and stair at to piece together it takes quick sessions and stepping away for a sec then getting back into it.

Again thankies folks the support is really appreciated.

The Truth Hurts · 07-19-2005, 09:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Mike Okitch

He's the only designer that I know who has never disclosed any information about his portfolio. I find this to be interesting.

interesting.

AlienQ - BANNED FOR LIFE · 07-19-2005, 09:40 PM

PS: For those of ya that think I am overated...

Maybe I am, maybe I am not.
However I referr work to designers often.

Skilled guys that I admire as pros.

MachineGunKelly, Tylo are my mains and are people that are highly creative.

Tylo is quiet but he is a monster in creating great work.
MachineGunKelly is a seasoned designer most of ya should know who he is

Very mello, very kool.

Tylo · 07-19-2005, 09:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AlienQ

PS: For those of ya that think I am overated...

Maybe I am, maybe I am not.
However I referr work to designers often.

Skilled guys that I admire as pros.

MachineGunKelly, Tylo are my mains and are people that are highly creative.

Tylo is quiet but he is a monster in creating great work.
MachineGunKelly is a seasoned designer most of ya should know who he is

Very mello, very kool.

Thanks man!! Very cool of you to think so highly of my work, It sucks that you get slammed so much around here. Some I see you just stirring the shit other times its trolls being dicks!! Your good peeps in my book, hope to visit Cali soon and hang with you and Ice!! Beers on me.

wargames · 07-19-2005, 09:46 PM

He just finished a big project for us and i just gave him a new one hit up abyss al or me and i will show you some of the stuff he did. Also thanks for the sweet biz cards you made they look awesome

fetishpix · 07-19-2005, 09:49 PM

He is designing three sites for us right now.
His customer service has been GREAT!

DirtyJ_ExtendedMarketing · 07-19-2005, 09:49 PM

Even though I may have poked fun at alien and don't agree with his mentality, he is a pretty good designer ;)

Did I shock ya mark? ;)

3piece chicken Dinner · 07-19-2005, 09:57 PM

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Originally Posted by The Truth Hurts

interesting.

Yeah interesting that he would require someone to speak with him about their interest in his product. So he has a op to sell the consumer.

interesting that a US based designer would do something to make sure he has not visible 2257 concerns.

yeah I agree it IS interesting to see someone take a different approach.

The Truth Hurts · 07-19-2005, 09:59 PM

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Originally Posted by 3piece chicken Dinner

Yeah interesting that he would require someone to speak with him about their interest in his product. So he has a op to sell the consumer.

interesting that a US based designer would do something to make sure he has not visible 2257 concerns.

yeah I agree it IS interesting to see someone take a different approach.

interesting.

Mike Okitch · 07-19-2005, 09:59 PM

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Originally Posted by 3piece chicken Dinner

did you contact him about viewing his portfolio? He never had a problem disclosing his portfolio when I've requested it. In fact he usually shows me his latest work, or whatever I request. if I like what I see I place an order, and he has a chance to give me his thoughts and ideas on how he would handle my project.

Like I said you may not like AlienQ gfy poster, hell he is not my favorite. But as a designer he is good.

No I have not contacted him about viewing his portfolio. That being said, as far as I can remember, anyone who has requested info about his portfolio on this forum has been told off. His reasoning for doing that is that he doesn't want to have his work to be copied. I perfectly understand that it would be a pain in the butt for any designer to see their work being stolen. But to go from there to not show what you're capable of to anyone because of that concern is a pretty big jump.

uvort · 07-19-2005, 10:00 PM

I love all of AlienQ's work, it's nice stuff that converts.

I find it funny how people attack him because is work isn't as flashy as others, but I know that his shit sells and the flashy work just looks pretty..

Stacey_JoinRightNow · 07-19-2005, 10:19 PM

Based from the statement and opinions above...
I think he's a good designer...

Steve · 07-19-2005, 10:27 PM

I think he's very good.

Satisfaction · 07-19-2005, 10:28 PM

his shit seems to rock

3piece chicken Dinner · 07-19-2005, 10:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Mike Okitch

No I have not contacted him about viewing his portfolio. That being said, as far as I can remember, anyone who has requested info about his portfolio on this forum has been told off. His reasoning for doing that is that he doesn't want to have his work to be copied. I perfectly understand that it would be a pain in the butt for any designer to see their work being stolen. But to go from there to not show what you're capable of to anyone because of that concern is a pretty big jump.

In fairness, I think it's pretty common knowledge that you can view 90% of the Porndollar portfolio, there are people in this thread pointing you to his work. I also am pretty damn sure he had his hands in OhMobile in some shape or form. This topic comes up once a week. Be it from an interested party or a troll looking to stir up shit.

If you have asked to see his portfolio and he did not respond in a way you liked, My professional opinion is don't do business with him. I dont' think he is lacking for work, and I think many people forget, or don't bother to read and comprehend that GFY is treated as a playground. I'll grant you he acts like a crazy asshole sometimes, but business is business bullshit is bullshit.

If memory serves didn't you have a long pissing match with him at one point? I know others flying similar sigs as yourself have had a run in or two with him on this board.

Insult Alien the GFY poster, you will have much more success. AlienQ the designer is a different story.

Thats my last thought on the subject. I don't want anyone getting the wrong idea.

vas · 07-19-2005, 10:32 PM

if he gets enough biz without having to show a portfolio then all the more power to him, people that hire him to do designs obviously know what they are going to get before hand.. i dont think he's hurting biz wise

bhutocracy · 07-19-2005, 10:32 PM

He's an ok designer.. just an absolute tool, which is a shame.
Also you can't really judge these designers by the shitty $300 tours they're forced to do.

Cory W · 07-19-2005, 10:35 PM

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Originally Posted by HighOnAcid

I think I'm one of the few people here that have no problems with Alien. I've had a few conversations with him via ICQ (it was probably 2 years ago since I last talked to him). He even duped my sig with his own pic chewing on something green.

I have just heard both stories regarding his artwork and I wanted to judge them for myself.

I like the guy.

Jason · 07-19-2005, 10:53 PM

never heard of him

Semi-Retired-Dave · 07-19-2005, 10:56 PM

Yes, very good work.

Mike Okitch · 07-19-2005, 11:00 PM

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Originally Posted by 3piece chicken Dinner

In fairness, I think it's pretty common knowledge that you can view 90% of the Porndollar portfolio, there are people in this thread pointing you to his work. I also am pretty damn sure he had his hands in OhMobile in some shape or form. This topic comes up once a week. Be it from an interested party or a troll looking to stir up shit.

If you have asked to see his portfolio and he did not respond in a way you liked, My professional opinion is don't do business with him. I dont' think he is lacking for work, and I think many people forget, or don't bother to read and comprehend that GFY is treated as a playground. I'll grant you he acts like a crazy asshole sometimes, but business is business bullshit is bullshit.

If memory serves didn't you have a long pissing match with him at one point? I know others flying similar sigs as yourself have had a run in or two with him on this board.

Insult Alien the GFY poster, you will have much more success. AlienQ the designer is a different story.

Thats my last thought on the subject. I don't want anyone getting the wrong idea.

I'm not suggesting that he's lacking work. But I do find it interesting that a designer will not put his portfolio up for show when most do just the opposite in an attempt to drum up business.

Yes, I did have a long pissing match with him at one point. But it's not I that he told off when asked on this board about his portfolio. Even with all the shit that has been stirred between Alien and I, I have, at one point, considered talking to him about some work. The fact that a portfolio is not available and the response that he gave when someone else asked about it on this board made me change my mind pretty quick.

HighOnAcid has been at this business for a long time and I think it's fair to say that he's seen the work of most every designer worth a dime in this business. Thinking that he hasn't seen any of Alien's work, a designer who claims to be one of the best in this business, is something I find curious.

Cory W · 07-19-2005, 11:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Mike Okitch

I'm not suggesting that he's lacking work. But I do find it interesting that a designer will not put his portfolio up for show when most do just the opposite in an attempt to drum up business.

Yes, I did have a long pissing match with him at one point. But it's not I that he told off when asked on this board about his portfolio. Even with all the shit that has been stirred between Alien and I, I have, at one point, considered talking to him about some work. The fact that a portfolio is not available and the response that he gave when someone else asked about it on this board made me change my mind pretty quick.

HighOnAcid has been at this business for a long time and I think it's fair to say that he's seen the work of most every designer worth a dime in this business. Thinking that he hasn't seen any of Alien's work, a designer who claims to be one of the best in this business, is something I find curious.

Did you personally ask him to see it?

I think he may not care to show it. I asked him today to do a project for me and he declined, mostly because he is too busy. If you are a designer hooked with a few programs, you do not have much time.

wargames · 07-19-2005, 11:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Mike Okitch

I'm not suggesting that he's lacking work. But I do find it interesting that a designer will not put his portfolio up for show when most do just the opposite in an attempt to drum up business.

Yes, I did have a long pissing match with him at one point. But it's not I that he told off when asked on this board about his portfolio. Even with all the shit that has been stirred between Alien and I, I have, at one point, considered talking to him about some work. The fact that a portfolio is not available and the response that he gave when someone else asked about it on this board made me change my mind pretty quick.

HighOnAcid has been at this business for a long time and I think it's fair to say that he's seen the work of most every designer worth a dime in this business. Thinking that he hasn't seen any of Alien's work, a designer who claims to be one of the best in this business, is something I find curious.

Curious to see his work ?
http://porndollar.com/sites.html

3piece chicken Dinner · 07-19-2005, 11:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Mike Okitch

I'm not suggesting that he's lacking work. But I do find it interesting that a designer will not put his portfolio up for show when most do just the opposite in an attempt to drum up business.

https://gfy.com/7810921-post21.html

in case you missed it the first time

TheGoldenChild · 07-20-2005, 12:54 AM

Alien is A-Ok

We have our Players Cards thanks to him!

4Pics · 07-20-2005, 01:03 AM

Alien may design ok, but he has his head up his ass over the .xxx deal.

sherie · 07-20-2005, 05:59 AM

Yes, from what I have seen, he does good work.

$5 submissions · 07-20-2005, 06:04 AM

A little off topic... BUT... This post does remind me of a thread http://www.gofuckyourself.com/showthread.php?t=489988 Eliminates SOME (not all) of the guesswork.

Rinaldo · 07-20-2005, 07:23 AM

Alien is someone to be respected and appreciated.

sjg · 07-20-2005, 07:51 AM

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Originally Posted by Rinaldo

Alien is someone to be respected and appreciated.

Amen.

machinegunkelly · 07-20-2005, 07:59 AM

Thanks for the props alien!

Alien does great work , and he's showed his work to me all the time and I gotta say its great stuff .

He just loves to fuck with all you trolls and then we sit back and laugh at you all on ICQ ~!

I'm pretty sure he's lowered the quality of those images he posts in threads to fuck with ya'll even more , cause his work is very different from those things LOL .

Aliens good peeps .
I've worked along with him on a few projects now and all have gone more than smooth , and alien delivers reliably .

Oh , and on his designs ... he spells it " You're " So hes fucking with you all , and you take the bait ;)

WarChild · 07-20-2005, 12:17 PM

Well I certainly wouldn't put him in Amp's league, but some of his stuff is pretty good.

AlienQ - BANNED FOR LIFE · 07-20-2005, 12:48 PM

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Originally Posted by WarChild

Well I certainly wouldn't put him in Amp's league, but some of his stuff is pretty good.

AMPS league?

LOL.
Far from it.
Far far far...

jonesy · 07-20-2005, 02:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Mike Okitch

But I do find it interesting that a designer will not put his portfolio up for show when most do just the opposite in an attempt to drum up business.

.

try finding amps porfolio or asking for it - youll be told to fuck off - and theres a good reason why.

same prob apllies to alien.

WarChild · 07-20-2005, 02:08 PM

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Originally Posted by AlienQ

AMPS league?

LOL.
Far from it.
Far far far...

Based on my personal opinion and real numbers from selling a good number of sites that Amp designed, I'd argue he is the very top tier of adult designers right now.

Ice · 07-20-2005, 02:08 PM

IMO Alien does great work. The people that contract him seem to love it and that is what matters.

Amp is probably the best designer out there. His ability to convert is just crazy.

It's funny when people talk designers... because you have the solo guys like Amp, Alien, etc and you have the larger companys like bluedesign, webinc, etc.

For solo designers I would say the top five are...

Amp
Tylo
Alien
MachineGunKelly
QuaShe

The Truth Hurts · 07-20-2005, 02:16 PM

alienq loves the cock.

07-19-2005, 09:19 PM	#1
Rob I'm a great bowler. Industry Role: Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Right Outside of Normal. Posts: 13,309	Is AlienQ a good designer? I don't think I have ever seen any of his work. Does anyone have any links to his work or possibly a link to his portfolio? This is not an attack thread, I'm just curious. AlienQ screams from a mountain top how good his designs are and being another designer, I want to see what I'm up against. No drama here, just curiousity. __________________

07-19-2005, 09:20 PM	#2
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chupachups Confirmed User Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Sweden/Spain you sum bitch! Posts: 6,576	....graphics, conversions, usability? What are we talking about? __________________

07-19-2005, 09:23 PM	#5
Mike Okitch Confirmed User Join Date: May 2004 Location: Guantanamo Bay, Cuba Posts: 4,126	He's the only designer that I know who has never disclosed any information about his portfolio. I find this to be interesting. __________________ SIG TOO BIG! Maximum 120x60 button and no more than 3 text lines of DEFAULT SIZE and COLOR. Unless your sig is for a GFY top banner sponsor, then you may use a 624x80 instead of a 120x60.

07-19-2005, 09:25 PM	#6
3piece chicken Dinner Confirmed User Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: On your plate Posts: 1,065	AlienQ is a complete and competent designer with experience and knowledge of this industry not just photoshop. I've said it before, I'll say it again, you may find him to be goofy, you may not like him, but when it comes to design he knows what he is doing. __________________ "We are told to let our light shine, and if it does, we won't need to tell anybody it does. Lighthouses don't fire cannons to call attention to their shining- they just shine."

07-19-2005, 09:25 PM	#7
Jace FBOP Class Of 2013 Industry Role: Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: bumfuck, ky Posts: 35,562	http://cutelucie.com/ is one he did I am pretty sure

07-19-2005, 09:28 PM	#10
Abyss_Vee Confirmed User Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Los Angeles Posts: 5,208	does very good work

07-19-2005, 09:40 PM	#16
AlienQ - BANNED FOR LIFE best designer on GFY Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: IALIEN.COM - High Definition Video and Photographic Productions -ICQ 78943384 Posts: 30,307	PS: For those of ya that think I am overated... Maybe I am, maybe I am not. However I referr work to designers often. Skilled guys that I admire as pros. MachineGunKelly, Tylo are my mains and are people that are highly creative. Tylo is quiet but he is a monster in creating great work. MachineGunKelly is a seasoned designer most of ya should know who he is Very mello, very kool. __________________ NAKED HOSTING FTW!11 I'm On The INSANE PLAN $9.95/mo! \| The Alien Blog Adult News Worth Reading Updated Daily \| Content For Sale! 641 PICS 216 MINUTES OF VIDEO $350.00 \|ICQ: 78943384 \| Last edited by AlienQ - BANNED FOR LIFE; 07-19-2005 at 09:42 PM..

07-19-2005, 09:46 PM	#18
wargames Kliris Join Date: May 2003 Location: ca Posts: 10,423	He just finished a big project for us and i just gave him a new one hit up abyss al or me and i will show you some of the stuff he did. Also thanks for the sweet biz cards you made they look awesome __________________ ICQ 212-115-582 Email Steve at Vas Media Group .com

07-19-2005, 09:49 PM	#19
fetishpix Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: San Diego, CA Posts: 100	He is designing three sites for us right now. His customer service has been GREAT!

07-19-2005, 09:49 PM	#20
DirtyJ_ExtendedMarketing Confirmed User Join Date: Nov 2003 Posts: 375	Even though I may have poked fun at alien and don't agree with his mentality, he is a pretty good designer ;) Did I shock ya mark? ;)

07-19-2005, 10:00 PM	#24
uvort Confirmed User Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Metalcash.com Posts: 3,580	I love all of AlienQ's work, it's nice stuff that converts. I find it funny how people attack him because is work isn't as flashy as others, but I know that his shit sells and the flashy work just looks pretty.. __________________ See Sig. 199907143

07-19-2005, 10:19 PM	#25
Stacey_JoinRightNow Confirmed User Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Montreal Posts: 6,269	Based from the statement and opinions above... I think he's a good designer... __________________

07-19-2005, 10:27 PM	#26
Steve Confirmed User Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: USA Posts: 6,894	I think he's very good.

07-19-2005, 10:28 PM	#27
Satisfaction WootWootCash.com Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Australia Posts: 10,900	his shit seems to rock

07-19-2005, 10:32 PM	#29
vas Confirmed User Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Toronto Posts: 562	if he gets enough biz without having to show a portfolio then all the more power to him, people that hire him to do designs obviously know what they are going to get before hand.. i dont think he's hurting biz wise __________________ icq: 375956791

07-19-2005, 10:32 PM	#30
bhutocracy Not making A Comeback Industry Role: Join Date: Dec 2001 Posts: 10,218	He's an ok designer.. just an absolute tool, which is a shame. Also you can't really judge these designers by the shitty $300 tours they're forced to do.

07-19-2005, 10:53 PM	#32
Jason Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Dec 2002 Posts: 4,287	never heard of him __________________ I stay busy.

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Semi-Retired-Dave Too lazy to set a custom title Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: LA Posts: 11,190	Yes, very good work. __________________ Support a Good Cause

07-20-2005, 12:54 AM	#38
TheGoldenChild Confirmed User Join Date: May 2002 Location: Pacific Palisades Posts: 6,940	Alien is A-Ok We have our Players Cards thanks to him! __________________

07-20-2005, 01:03 AM	#39
4Pics Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Dec 2001 Posts: 7,952	Alien may design ok, but he has his head up his ass over the .xxx deal.

07-20-2005, 05:59 AM	#40
sherie Confirmed User Join Date: Feb 2002 Posts: 7,020	Yes, from what I have seen, he does good work. __________________ AIM sherierocks ICQ 127-296-286 Skype traffichor

07-20-2005, 06:04 AM	#41
$5 submissions I help you SUCCEED Industry Role: Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: The Pearl of the Orient Seas Posts: 32,195	A little off topic... BUT... This post does remind me of a thread http://www.gofuckyourself.com/showthread.php?t=489988 Eliminates SOME (not all) of the guesswork. __________________ Need a NON-ADULT income stream? We build your YOUTUBE CHANNEL for only $20 per video! For Hire: $3/hour or $400 per month Marketing Specialist Virtual Assistants

07-20-2005, 07:23 AM	#42
Rinaldo Confirmed User Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: South Florida Posts: 5,086	Alien is someone to be respected and appreciated.

07-20-2005, 07:59 AM	#44
machinegunkelly Confirmed User Join Date: Jun 2003 Posts: 3,285	Thanks for the props alien! Alien does great work , and he's showed his work to me all the time and I gotta say its great stuff . He just loves to fuck with all you trolls and then we sit back and laugh at you all on ICQ ~! I'm pretty sure he's lowered the quality of those images he posts in threads to fuck with ya'll even more , cause his work is very different from those things LOL . Aliens good peeps . I've worked along with him on a few projects now and all have gone more than smooth , and alien delivers reliably . Oh , and on his designs ... he spells it " You're " So hes fucking with you all , and you take the bait ;) __________________ dead.

07-20-2005, 12:17 PM	#45
WarChild Let slip the dogs of war. Industry Role: Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Bermuda Posts: 17,263	Well I certainly wouldn't put him in Amp's league, but some of his stuff is pretty good. __________________ .

07-20-2005, 02:08 PM	#49
Ice Confirmed User Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Sunny California Posts: 26,053	IMO Alien does great work. The people that contract him seem to love it and that is what matters. Amp is probably the best designer out there. His ability to convert is just crazy. It's funny when people talk designers... because you have the solo guys like Amp, Alien, etc and you have the larger companys like bluedesign, webinc, etc. For solo designers I would say the top five are... Amp Tylo Alien MachineGunKelly QuaShe __________________ icq 1904905

07-20-2005, 02:16 PM	#50
The Truth Hurts Zph7YXfjMhg Industry Role: Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: In Your Skull Posts: 15,305	alienq loves the cock.