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dropped9 · 07-20-2005, 03:47 PM

Thats basically what the ftc is saying. Your terms of service mean shit.

My how this biz is changing...

StuartD · 07-20-2005, 03:48 PM

Between them, the DOJ (2257) and the new .xxx crap.... we're all in a lot of trouble

Chio The Pirate · 07-20-2005, 03:49 PM

YARGH! Have many boats sailing offshore.

3piece chicken Dinner · 07-20-2005, 03:49 PM

Yep, guess programs will have to pay attention to their traffic sources and not accept mail traffic.

which really sucks for some people. I hope the mailers have been saving for this day and have moved on to pushing cialis, mortages and Fake Rolex.

Mr. Soul · 07-20-2005, 03:50 PM

You should say, "If you run an affiliate program BASED IN THE USA, you're fucked". Plenty of good programs are located in Canada, Australia, and beyond.

Plus, the larger companies like Bangbros will just pay the fines and keep on rollin'.

TaDoW · 07-20-2005, 03:57 PM

are you kidding? it doesn't mean shit. as long as you mind your p's and q's you're fine.

TheSenator · 07-20-2005, 03:58 PM

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Originally Posted by 3piece chicken Dinner

Yep, guess programs will have to pay attention to their traffic sources and not accept mail traffic.

which really sucks for some people. I hope the mailers have been saving for this day and have moved on to pushing cialis, mortages and Fake Rolex.

I buy fake rolex

Nicky · 07-20-2005, 04:00 PM

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Originally Posted by TheSenator

I buy fake rolex

I sell fake rolex

DamageX · 07-20-2005, 04:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Headless

Thats basically what the ftc is saying. Your terms of service mean shit.

My how this biz is changing...

I must've missed this, you got a link?

bigdog · 07-20-2005, 04:16 PM

what annoucement did the ftc make, i am lost

Paco, of Large Cash. · 07-20-2005, 04:18 PM

House cleaning continues.

Manowar · 07-20-2005, 04:20 PM

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Originally Posted by bigdog

what annoucement did the ftc make, i am lost

http://www.businessvoyeur.com/2005-0...with-ftc-fines

dropped9 · 07-20-2005, 04:30 PM

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Originally Posted by TaDoW

are you kidding? it doesn't mean shit. as long as you mind your p's and q's you're fine.

Yeah and while you are minding your ps and qs a rogue affiliate signs up to your program, fires up a nice mail campaign, and your fucked.

Lets think a little here ppl...

dropped9 · 07-20-2005, 04:32 PM

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Originally Posted by DamageX

I must've missed this, you got a link?

http://www.ynot.com/modules.php?op=m...cle &sid=9601

BigRod · 07-20-2005, 04:33 PM

Wow they really don't want to give US webmasters a break...

DamageX · 07-20-2005, 04:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Headless

http://www.ynot.com/modules.php?op=m...cle &sid=9601

Thanks. The way I read this, the company could simply refuse to accept ANY mailer traffic and terminate anyone who sends them any. This would deter spammers from signing up and would give the company a leg to stand on in future cases like the one in the article. I could be wrong though, I'm no lawyer.

ninavain · 07-20-2005, 05:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Headless

Thats basically what the ftc is saying. Your terms of service mean shit.

My how this biz is changing...

Announcement coming

Kevsh · 07-20-2005, 05:37 PM

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But why didn?t the FTC simply target the offending spammers directly instead of the affiliate programs?

?We have gone after spammers in the past,? Kraden said. ?One of the main functions of this was with a top-down approach.? By bringing action against the affiliate companies ?under the theory of liability,? Kraden said the FTC hoped to ?get the attention of the industry and help bring the industry under compliance with CAN SPAM.?

Okay, so according to this law if I'm a mean competitor, I just sign up for an affiliate account with one of my main rivals and spam like a mofo ... knowing they will be on the hook and likely not me?

JD · 07-20-2005, 05:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Kevsh

Okay, so according to this law if I'm a mean competitor, I just sign up for an affiliate account with one of my main rivals and spam like a mofo ... knowing they will be on the hook and likely not me?

sounds about right

Rochard · 07-20-2005, 05:46 PM

This is gonna open up a can of worms. It's trying to hold someone responsible for the actions of someone else who had no knowledge of their actions.

JJ Gold · 07-20-2005, 05:51 PM

This makes Lightspeed's decision look even better.

XPays · 07-20-2005, 05:56 PM

give me a break- spammers know who accepts and who does not and we have not had a rogue in over a year. the word spreads and no worries for those who are zero mail traffic.

SteveLightspeed · 07-20-2005, 05:56 PM

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Originally Posted by JJ Gold

This makes Lightspeed's decision look even better.

Ya think? ;)

Red Ezra · 07-20-2005, 05:56 PM

i am still hoping to re-launch redezra.com even though it might be all for free I guess - shit

JJ Gold · 07-20-2005, 05:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Lightspeed

Ya think? ;)

You are wise.
Nice work.

mardigras · 07-20-2005, 06:13 PM

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Originally Posted by BigRod

Wow they really don't want to give US webmasters a break...

Here's the secret:
Each thing that comes along is well justified by words...
You don't have to make laws outlawing something if you take the profitability out of it...
Amongst the industry influentials will keep declaring the "The sky is not falling, prove it ever has"...
When they came for me...

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