Complete lack of originality in this industry - GoFuckYourself.com

Atticus · 07-18-2005, 02:25 PM

This industry is so lacking in original ideas and marketing strategies its amazing. Thats surprising with how forward thinking the adult industry is regrading technology.

Content wise its a joke. I've seen threads where people rip Hollywood for coming out with absolute shit, all while posting under a banner ad for policemen.net and bigsausagepizza. Are you joking? Good thing the mainstream press doesnt pay too close attention to porn otherwise they would stop trashing the unoriginality that is reality tv and transfer their ire to us. Its also no surprise that companies that do have an original bone in their bodies, Bang Bros, Nasty dollars, StreamRay all lead the pack and make major coin. But there comes a time when even those companies need to stop counting the $$ enough to be innovative. Real companies never stop striving, never stop re-inventing themselves, never stop staying ahead of the curve. im so tired of hearing a product anouncement from a new company portraying themselves as the new Microsoft of our industry with tons of fresh ideas and new concepts that will make us all rich and transform the way we do business. Then its released and it, of course, has "Cash" somehwere in their affiliate program title and a pic of $$ on their webpage and "high converting niche sites" that include an anal, cum, teen, and reality site. If you are just riding on the coattails of those before you and want to make a quick buck capatilizing on the leftovers thats fine, more power to ya, just fucking say so. At least it would be refreshing honesty.

"I have zero originality and talked some investers into giving us some cash but dont want to fuck it up by taking a chance so im going to throw some absolute shit at the wall, and call it 'fresh' and 'new' and 'hot' and everybody will know its not 'fresh', 'new', nor 'hot' but im going to pay $40 pps so they will all chime in and say its 'fresh', 'new', and 'hot', then im going to sit back and hopefully make a living and relive my frat house youth"

And us affiliates are no better. As George costanza would say about toilet paper, it never changes, always the same. Same with TGP's, free sites, link lists, hubs, galleries. All with trades, bought traffic. just once it would be nice to look at something and say, "wow, this person really has it together, thats fresh, nice new idea. Great way to market that" Then of course, as in any industry it would be copied to death but at least it would change things up.

This industry and the people behind are is its own worst enemy and eventually, if we dont come up with new ideas, it will bite us in the ass. you can already see it happening. I used to be in retail and the mantra was the worst thing you could do was lower your price to get new business, becuase if all you can do to grow is sacrafice your margins your eventually fucked. same with adult and we are already seeing it. If the only new ideas that we have our price (higher pps, lower monthly rates) and more hard core eventually you cant drop it any lower and you cant put anything harder out there.

If anybody is or knows of a program or affiliate doing something original please discuss and let us know, maybe im wrong. (also because i dont have an original bone in my body and need to copy it to afford my habits

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2HousePlague · 07-18-2005, 02:30 PM

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The Truth Hurts · 07-18-2005, 02:30 PM

this post is applicable for each of the previous 9 years : )

StuartD · 07-18-2005, 02:31 PM

I guess your two options are to whine about it or do something about it.

Dax · 07-18-2005, 02:32 PM

The guys on my signature... ARE the shit!

Dwreck · 07-18-2005, 02:33 PM

Hey Attitcus! Good thread! Well said.

High Plains Drifter · 07-18-2005, 02:38 PM

There are innovations in the industry but they distance themselves from the affiliate model and saturating the web with free content - Suicide Girls is a good example.

AlienQ - BANNED FOR LIFE · 07-18-2005, 02:40 PM

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Originally Posted by NichePay - StuartD

I guess your two options are to whine about it or do something about it.

And you my friend are very good at whinning.

High_Times · 07-18-2005, 02:41 PM

I spend a good deal of time coming up with innovative ways to sell the same ole' shit. Luckily for me, it isn't time wasted.

The Truth Hurts · 07-18-2005, 02:43 PM

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Originally Posted by AlienQ

And you my friend are very good at whinning.

http://www.iespell.com

StuartD · 07-18-2005, 02:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AlienQ

And you my friend are very good at whinning.

heh, look who's talking. You're still going on about Amp long after he made any mention of you

Shoplifter · 07-18-2005, 02:45 PM

It's all about what sells. And if that is not necessarily original it doesn't matter. Nothing new about naked ladies.

devilspost · 07-18-2005, 02:47 PM

what ever happened to "new coke" ;)

High Plains Drifter · 07-18-2005, 02:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Shoplifter

It's all about what sells. And if that is not necessarily original it doesn't matter. Nothing new about naked ladies.

But there is something new about naked ladies half way across the world fingering their pussy and chatting with you in real-time. The content distribution model is where the originality is lacking.

Atticus · 07-18-2005, 02:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Shoplifter

It's all about what sells. And if that is not necessarily original it doesn't matter. Nothing new about naked ladies.

Yeah, but there are new ways to portray those naked ladies and market them.

The Other Steve · 07-18-2005, 02:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Atticus

Yeah, but there are new ways to portray those naked ladies and market them.

Then don't mention it here otherwise every clueless sheep will be copying you.

StuartD · 07-18-2005, 02:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Atticus

Yeah, but there are new ways to portray those naked ladies and market them.

Yeah, I agree.

PS, hope you don't think I was being mean with my above post, just stating my twisted opinion.

I think people need to innovate as well. Come up with something that no one has thought about. But the thing is, you don't need the cash to back it up. Just a good contact or two.

Bring your ideas to the table with the right people, work together on something and change things.

Don't wait for someone else to do it, or complain when they don't. Be pro-active.

After Shock Media · 07-18-2005, 02:53 PM

We are selling the portrayal of sex. There is really not much we can innovate. Sure someone can come up with some new or lame hook/story. Others can attempt to either jump on some new found niche or worse attempt to make one up that does not exsist yet thinking they can create a fetish.
Some just go after something established and attempt to either do it better than the rest or hope they can fool enough people with trash and trickery to make the money they desire.

I will not speak for the affiliate side, again there is only so many ways to gather and send traffic. Some specialize in one or two of the many ways to do it. Occassionally someone either tries or does re-invent the wheel, but often the old wheel works just fine.

Rep · 07-18-2005, 03:01 PM

You keep mentioning "we" like we're all family. Don't worry about other people's failure to create Atticus, focus on yourself. I'm also a firm believer in "if you've got something good, shut your mouth and try to take it to the moon". My ideas are innovative, original, and mine. Just because you don't notice innovation doesn't mean it doesn't occur - it just hasn't been layed out on a platter for you to notice.

GatorB · 07-18-2005, 03:04 PM

It's sex how mnay ways are you going to sell it? WTF hasn't been done, transsexual philipino midgets fucking BBW latinas with excessive body hair while monkeys dressed as elves dance around them in circle throwing feces?

AlienQ - BANNED FOR LIFE · 07-18-2005, 03:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by NichePay - StuartD

Yeah, I agree.

PS, hope you don't think I was being mean with my above post, just stating my twisted opinion.

I think people need to innovate as well. Come up with something that no one has thought about. But the thing is, you don't need the cash to back it up. Just a good contact or two.

Bring your ideas to the table with the right people, work together on something and change things.

Don't wait for someone else to do it, or complain when they don't. Be pro-active.

Joo iz da hypotwit frum hellz.
Joo alwayz jump on der folx dAt brIng ideaz 2 da table.

Joo R an el33t Aszhole.

PatrickKing · 07-18-2005, 03:09 PM

There are a few innovative programs out there, but they are flying below the radar. Ya just gotta poke around

Jason · 07-18-2005, 03:22 PM

hi

is this innovating?

Atticus · 07-18-2005, 03:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rep

You keep mentioning "we" like we're all family. Don't worry about other people's failure to create Atticus, focus on yourself. I'm also a firm believer in "if you've got something good, shut your mouth and try to take it to the moon". My ideas are innovative, original, and mine. Just because you don't notice innovation doesn't mean it doesn't occur - it just hasn't been layed out on a platter for you to notice.

I say we as in "the industry". I do like to think that i am being innovative with the things that i do, and it has been successful, and of course im not going to shout how i do it. My last sentence about sharing was somewhat in jest.

My post was mainly for the big playas in the industry. because like it or not our fortunes rise and fall as an industry. We can have the greatest ideas in the world but it can be hard to sell to surfers who have been fucked over for years.

Atticus · 07-18-2005, 03:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PornDollar

hi

is this innovating?

Yes it is. i also see that you have updated your site. i signed up a few weeks ago but couldnt do much with it as it seemed a lot of the links weren't up yet.

Hunter_ST · 07-18-2005, 06:31 PM

I'll agree that there are many imitators pushing out the same shit.

Sometimes I think my site is too weird... www.sploshme.com -- it's such a British UK niche, but a growing number of our signups are from the US.

Halcyon · 07-18-2005, 07:10 PM

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Originally Posted by 2HousePlague

i feel ya -- hit me up -- -- 196767065 -- @

2HP

ha!

I was about to post, "You should check out 2HP's threads..."

Cory W · 07-18-2005, 07:27 PM

The industry image is painted with a brush of low-income investments tied up with trends. Innovation is a more serious investment. Goals and ambitions are in many cases, quite small. However, those small ambitions are supported at great length by larger businesses looking for stability.

Innovative? Time will tell and there has been little time. This business is barely removed of its umbilical cord. We tend to forget that.

Innovative? The existence of this business alone is innovative.

Innovative? Many times, innovative occurs on the backends of programs / businesses.

Financial reports are not impressed by innovative, but by decimal points. Decimal points fuel business decisions.

Join4Free is a program that is innovative. Innovative is a term that is applicable, but extremely profitable is a more important descriptor. If we could reinvent the program 1000 times over, we would.

Slippery slope at the end of the day.

Just my contribution to the thread.

AsianDivaGirlsWebDude · 07-18-2005, 07:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GatorB

It's sex how mnay ways are you going to sell it? WTF hasn't been done, transsexual philipino midgets fucking BBW latinas with excessive body hair while monkeys dressed as elves dance around them in circle throwing feces?

Who friggin' leaked my innovative new niche?!? F*CK!!!

Back to the old drawing board...

ADG Webmaster

nofx · 07-18-2005, 07:51 PM

bump for a great post

creativity and orginality will get you far

07-18-2005, 02:25 PM	#1
Atticus Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Las Vegas Posts: 1,051	Complete lack of originality in this industry This industry is so lacking in original ideas and marketing strategies its amazing. Thats surprising with how forward thinking the adult industry is regrading technology. Content wise its a joke. I've seen threads where people rip Hollywood for coming out with absolute shit, all while posting under a banner ad for policemen.net and bigsausagepizza. Are you joking? Good thing the mainstream press doesnt pay too close attention to porn otherwise they would stop trashing the unoriginality that is reality tv and transfer their ire to us. Its also no surprise that companies that do have an original bone in their bodies, Bang Bros, Nasty dollars, StreamRay all lead the pack and make major coin. But there comes a time when even those companies need to stop counting the $$ enough to be innovative. Real companies never stop striving, never stop re-inventing themselves, never stop staying ahead of the curve. im so tired of hearing a product anouncement from a new company portraying themselves as the new Microsoft of our industry with tons of fresh ideas and new concepts that will make us all rich and transform the way we do business. Then its released and it, of course, has "Cash" somehwere in their affiliate program title and a pic of $$ on their webpage and "high converting niche sites" that include an anal, cum, teen, and reality site. If you are just riding on the coattails of those before you and want to make a quick buck capatilizing on the leftovers thats fine, more power to ya, just fucking say so. At least it would be refreshing honesty. "I have zero originality and talked some investers into giving us some cash but dont want to fuck it up by taking a chance so im going to throw some absolute shit at the wall, and call it 'fresh' and 'new' and 'hot' and everybody will know its not 'fresh', 'new', nor 'hot' but im going to pay $40 pps so they will all chime in and say its 'fresh', 'new', and 'hot', then im going to sit back and hopefully make a living and relive my frat house youth" And us affiliates are no better. As George costanza would say about toilet paper, it never changes, always the same. Same with TGP's, free sites, link lists, hubs, galleries. All with trades, bought traffic. just once it would be nice to look at something and say, "wow, this person really has it together, thats fresh, nice new idea. Great way to market that" Then of course, as in any industry it would be copied to death but at least it would change things up. This industry and the people behind are is its own worst enemy and eventually, if we dont come up with new ideas, it will bite us in the ass. you can already see it happening. I used to be in retail and the mantra was the worst thing you could do was lower your price to get new business, becuase if all you can do to grow is sacrafice your margins your eventually fucked. same with adult and we are already seeing it. If the only new ideas that we have our price (higher pps, lower monthly rates) and more hard core eventually you cant drop it any lower and you cant put anything harder out there. If anybody is or knows of a program or affiliate doing something original please discuss and let us know, maybe im wrong. (also because i dont have an original bone in my body and need to copy it to afford my habits )

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High Plains Drifter Confirmed User Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: ♠ ♣ ♥ Posts: 2,341	There are innovations in the industry but they distance themselves from the affiliate model and saturating the web with free content - Suicide Girls is a good example. __________________

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The Truth Hurts Zph7YXfjMhg Industry Role: Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: In Your Skull Posts: 15,306	this post is applicable for each of the previous 9 years : )

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Dax Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: USA Posts: 3,161	The guys on my signature... ARE the shit!

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High_Times Confirmed User Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 115	I spend a good deal of time coming up with innovative ways to sell the same ole' shit. Luckily for me, it isn't time wasted.

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Shoplifter Richest man in Babylon Industry Role: Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Posts: 10,002 Posts: 5,726	It's all about what sells. And if that is not necessarily original it doesn't matter. Nothing new about naked ladies.

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After Shock Media It's coming look busy Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: "Ph'nglui mglw'nafh Cthulhu R'lyeh wgah'nagl fhtagn". Posts: 35,299	We are selling the portrayal of sex. There is really not much we can innovate. Sure someone can come up with some new or lame hook/story. Others can attempt to either jump on some new found niche or worse attempt to make one up that does not exsist yet thinking they can create a fetish. Some just go after something established and attempt to either do it better than the rest or hope they can fool enough people with trash and trickery to make the money they desire. I will not speak for the affiliate side, again there is only so many ways to gather and send traffic. Some specialize in one or two of the many ways to do it. Occassionally someone either tries or does re-invent the wheel, but often the old wheel works just fine. __________________ [email protected] ICQ:135982156 AIM: Aftershockmed1a MSN: [email protected]

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Rep Confirmed User Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 991	You keep mentioning "we" like we're all family. Don't worry about other people's failure to create Atticus, focus on yourself. I'm also a firm believer in "if you've got something good, shut your mouth and try to take it to the moon". My ideas are innovative, original, and mine. Just because you don't notice innovation doesn't mean it doesn't occur - it just hasn't been layed out on a platter for you to notice. __________________ who \| grep -i blonde \| date; cd ~; unzip; touch; strip; finger; mount; gasp; yes; uptime; umount; sleep

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PatrickKing Confirmed User Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Looking in your hahahahahaha. Posts: 2,096	There are a few innovative programs out there, but they are flying below the radar. Ya just gotta poke around __________________ [email protected]

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Hunter_ST Confirmed User Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Getting messy... Posts: 763	I'll agree that there are many imitators pushing out the same shit. Sometimes I think my site is too weird... www.sploshme.com -- it's such a British UK niche, but a growing number of our signups are from the US. __________________ Splosh Cash Wet and Messy Fetish Program I hate to advocate drugs, alcohol, violence, or insanity to anyone, but they've always worked for me.

07-18-2005, 07:27 PM	#28
Cory W Deeply shallow Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Hollywood, Ca. Posts: 9,133	The industry image is painted with a brush of low-income investments tied up with trends. Innovation is a more serious investment. Goals and ambitions are in many cases, quite small. However, those small ambitions are supported at great length by larger businesses looking for stability. Innovative? Time will tell and there has been little time. This business is barely removed of its umbilical cord. We tend to forget that. Innovative? The existence of this business alone is innovative. Innovative? Many times, innovative occurs on the backends of programs / businesses. Financial reports are not impressed by innovative, but by decimal points. Decimal points fuel business decisions. Join4Free is a program that is innovative. Innovative is a term that is applicable, but extremely profitable is a more important descriptor. If we could reinvent the program 1000 times over, we would. Slippery slope at the end of the day. Just my contribution to the thread. __________________ ICQ: 292310358 Offering writing and content services (mainstream). Marketing for L3 Payments

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nofx Too lazy to set a custom title Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Virgin Mary's womb Posts: 16,826	bump for a great post creativity and orginality will get you far __________________ Often times I wonder why There's love and hate, theres live or die. When sickness comes I must decide: When feelings go, theres suicide. Last edited by nofx; 07-18-2005 at 07:53 PM..