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Is he outta here? Eminen, is the biggest star in hip-hop right now could be calling it quits after summer, saying he wants to exit on top. Story below from this link: http://www.freep.com/entertainment/m...e_20050715.htm

The end of Eminem?

BY BRIAN McCOLLUM
FREE PRESS POP MUSIC WRITER

July 15, 2005

On Eminem's new summer tour, a tense video storyline is woven through the Detroit rapper's show. Following a montage of visuals encapsulating his vast celebrity -- magazine covers, TV footage, limos, crowds -- the star is seen alone backstage, aiming a loaded pistol at his image in a mirror before turning it toward himself.

When the dressing room eventually fades back into view, the audience sees that the rapper sits unharmed; the gun has misfired. Eminem looks into the camera.

"This is how you go out with a bang, baby!"

At a casual glance, it might come off like the latest shock attack in a career defined by controversy. But dig a bit deeper and you'll come upon a revelation even more startling, one that has been known only to the artist's closest friends and associates.

Marshall Mathers is ready to get rid of Eminem.

Here's what it could mean, say those close to the rapper: When he steps off the stage Sept. 17 in Dublin, Ireland, he will have made his final concert appearance. "Encore," his slyly titled 2004 release, will stand as the final Eminem album. The reign of Eminem, and his alter ego Slim Shady, will have been voluntarily vanquished.

It wouldn't be a mere name game, in the hip-hop fashion that let Puff Daddy become P. Diddy, or the fanciful indulgence of a superstar toying with personas, like Prince. Nor would it be some gimmicky farewell stunt, say hometown friends and professional associates, many of whom asked not to be named in this story, citing sensitivity about the issue deep within Eminem's record label and management camps.

What it would represent, say those friends, is a dramatic life shift for a celebrity grown weary of public commotion -- and an artist who feels trapped by musical expectations.

"Em has definitely gotten to the level where he feels like he's accomplished everything he can accomplish in rap," said rapper Proof, Mathers' right-hand man onstage. "He wants to kick back and get into the producing thing."

Detroit producer Jeff Bass, who won an Academy Award for cowriting Eminem's "Lose Yourself," said while he won't rule out the possibility of further solo albums from Mathers, "the Eminem part of his career isn't going to be at the forefront anymore."

If Mathers is truly set to shake things up, exactly where he goes from here is unclear. He's not doing interviews this summer, and his spokesman at Interscope Records in Los Angeles declined to comment. Manager Paul Rosenberg said there's been "no official decision" about the future. But he acknowledged that some kind of recalibration is likely, adding that Eminem's latest multiplatinum record is "certainly the cap on this part of his career."

Others by his side, from business partners to fellow rappers in D12, say Mathers is ready to embark on a path like that of mentor Dr. Dre, who upon reaching his 30s eased away from the microphone for a successful career as a producer and star-maker.

Such a move by Mathers would shake the tectonic plates of pop culture. At 33, he is now the best-selling hip-hop artist in history and is, by many standards, the globe's biggest music star.

If this is indeed a final bow, Eminem will join a special society of pop icons: the ones who went out on a high note. It's a small and exclusive membership that includes the Beatles, Sam Cooke, Led Zeppelin and Nirvana -- artists who, by choice or fate, quit while they were ahead. They're the ones who left stories with clear beginnings and ends and legacies that never risked getting spoiled.

"Why not bow out while you're on top?" said Proof, speaking last Friday inside his tour bus at Germain Amphitheater in Columbus, Ohio, second stop on the Anger Management Tour 3.

"Marshall is very smart about this stuff," said another musical partner. "He knows the danger of being at this level, where there's nowhere to go but down."

Within the star's tightly insulated Detroit circle -- a small group of long-trusted friends and collaborators -- the signals began to emerge during sessions for his latest record. This was it, he told them. The last album, the last tour, the last sprint through the thicket of public hysteria.

"We didn't go into this for the celebrity thing. We were never looking for that," said Mark Bass, brother of Jeff Bass. Mathers is signed to their production company, 8 Mile Style, which landed the rapper's deal with Interscope.

"As much as he caters to his fans, this has always been about putting food on the table," Mark Bass said. "And he knows the right thing to do to make sure that happens. If that's moving into producing 50 Cent and the other new artists he's handling, then that's what it is. He's a smart guy. He knows what he's doing."

In November, Eminem unveiled his mind-set for everybody -- and nobody caught on. His new album was titled "Encore," complete with a cover photo that showed him taking a bow. For his fourth release since his 1999 breakout, Eminem had chosen to announce the end of the show.

"I was actually pretty shocked when no one picked up on the concept," said manager Rosenberg.

Maybe the audience was still too noisy to notice. "Encore," his first solo effort in more than two years, was the most anticipated album of the season, generating wall-to-wall hype on its way to the obligatory critical kudos and No. 1 debut. Eight months later, sales are nearing 5 million.

The new concert video, with its metaphoric killing of Eminem, merely extends a concept already sketched by Mathers.

Buried in the "Encore" album notes is a line that reads, "To my fans ... I'm sorry," adjacent to an image of a bullet. On the album-ending "Encore/Curtains Down," he delivers his closing stanza accompanied by the sound of gunfire: "Ladies and gentlemen, thank you all for coming out -- peace! / Oh ... I almost forgot / You're comin' with me / Ha ha! Bye bye!"

As "Encore" promotional plans were mapped out, sources say, worried advisers convinced the rapper to leave it at that, to resist further tip-offs that "Encore" was the end: Why chain himself to a pledge he might not want to keep?

Any fears would be understandable. Even in an industry often accused of nearsightedness, the short-term publicity bang of a retirement announcement wouldn't trump the loss of the decade's biggest seller. Since 1999, Eminem has sold more than $1 billion worth of records. So much was on the line for so many, from the global executives at Universal Music to Mathers' local team of writing partners. Though Mathers remains under contract to Interscope, he can't be forced to deliver another record, based on music industry precedent established by California courts.

Extensive discussions did precede the album's release, said Rosenberg, but the decision to withhold a farewell announcement was driven by Mathers himself.

"He didn't want to seem like one of those guys who's playing a trick on his fans, or playing with their heads," said Rosenberg, pointing to the on-again-off-again retirement of hip-hop star Jay-Z. "It's part of the same struggle he goes through in his music -- 'How much of my inner thinking should I be putting out there?' "

But if this really is it, why now?

Friends say several factors have converged to create the transformative moment: a growing weariness with the media spotlight, a related drive for solitude and family time, and a savvy recognition of the links between credibility, age and the limited shelf lives that come with pop stardom. But musical motivations top the list.

Over time, Eminem's own songs have alluded to his frustration at feeling creatively cornered by public expectations. You don't need a decoder ring to get the message: "I've created a monster / 'Cause nobody wants to see Marshall no more," he rapped on the chart-topping 2002 hit "Without Me." "They want Shady / I'm chopped liver."

"Marshall feels like he's said everything he can say as Eminem," noted one insider. "The idea that he intended this to be his last record is something that everyone on the inside circle has known for a while."

"At this point," said Mark Bass, "he's a producer."

Mathers will likely devote increased time to "guest appearances and working on other people's stuff," said Jeff Bass. "The songs I've been writing with him are being placed on other artists' albums now."

2002 was a career peak for Eminem. Three top-10 albums. Box office success and critical acclaim for the film "8 Mile." A subsequent Oscar for the song "Lose Yourself," which spent three months at No. 1. Behind the scenes, he was taking increasing command of his own production work while beefing up his Shady Records roster of artists, including soon-to-be sensation 50 Cent.

Even amid the whirlwind of '02, Mathers rarely spoke with the media. But in an interview that December with the Free Press, he hinted at a day when his rapping appetite might wane.

"When it does for me, as far as rap goes, as far as being the front man, I'll still be doing music," he said. "Which is why I'm trying to build my clientele, so to speak, and producing. People have a hard time recognizing that, looking past the fact that I'm a rapper."

Summer 2005 was already shaping up as a crucial moment in the Eminem story, a time of transition for both his career and the broader pop-culture realm where it operates.........

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MrVids

goin out at the top of his game. well, maybe not so. i thought encore felt force, like he was making it to fit the persona. didn't seem as geniune as his last cd's. i have no problem with him cutting his solo career as long as he's still with d12 and pops into a song every now and then.

mal

good riddance. i got tired of him rhyming about his druggie mom and his ex wife being a whore.

Shooting_Manic

I think its a good move for him and yes, thats been the Rumor since Encore came out.

Got to love a guy that started from nothing and battled his was to the top like he did. Very impressive. Love him or hate him theres no denying the fight in that kid.

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CashLikeWhoa_Mike

True, you gotta respect his talent and the hunger he showed during his run.

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MikeVega

I like his shit but Encore was lacking .... I hope he stays with D12 i like there shit ... and he probably make 3 times what he does on his albums producing and of the G-unit label ..

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tical

that "da doing doing doing" song has to be the biggest piece of shit on the radio today... if that is all he's got left he definitely should be retiring... he was awesome at his peak though, can't doubt that.

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MikeVega

i have to agree with that ...

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Spunky

Smart move..he has all the money he will ever need.Leave while you are at the top

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CashLikeWhoa_Mike

LOL. true. I like Eminem a lot, but that "da doing doing doing" song really was garbage

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cosis

finally , little bitch was starting to sound like new kids on the block

candyflip

He wants to be an actor.

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kektex

Yes please eminem leave now...all your songs sound the same.

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Babagirls

im not reading all of that.

anyways, he said in his "The Eminem Show" CD .."when i retire at 30" & "i'll never leave this industry without saying goodbye" , which is his Encore album.

i've been expecting this.

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good for him he really has done all he can in his field but he will be back

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iac

maybe hes doing a michael jordan "retirement"

nico-t

his top is already history, hes definately on his way down with 'encore', goddamnit what a piece of shit album was that..
i think his top was at the time 'stan' etc came out.
Then he started to make more childish ass tracks.
Normally he made per album 1 of these "single" tracks (like without me etc.) to use as a video and album promotor for the kids to buy his albums.
He went down in my eyes when he made an album full of these childish tracks (encore).

Slim shady LP: 1 bad childish track (my name is)
MM LP: 1 even worse childish track (the real slim shady)
Eminem show: 1 bad childish track (without me)
Encore: countless horrible childish tracks (puke, my 1st single, just lose it, ass like that, etc...)

Scott McD

Eminem rocks !!

His albums have been good, and although the last one maybe wasn't up to the high standards of before from him, it was still better than most shit out there.

Some rap songs nowadays has a few lines, barely even making sense. At least his always actually meant something, whether it be his family shit, or just a general piss take at someone.


I'm going to see him in September. Can't wait !!

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Pete-KT

Weve known about this since the last album came out, Ive met Em a few times personally and he is a very nice and kool person to hang out with, He will stay in the music industry just on the other side of it.

Ace_luffy

Eminem.... not my type of song....

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benc

Its kind of hard for a grown man of 33 to continue making songs for 15 year old white kids that think they are black and not feel like an idiot.

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nico-t

there are loads and loads of doper albums then encore, encore is the worst hiphop album of the year in my opinion.
Check yukmouth, JMT, geto boys, cypress hill, tech n9ne for instance

Btw i am also going to the em & 50 concert in september in amsterdam, should be good, i hope he doesnt do alot of tracks of encore though!

chadglni

I'll miss him.

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Project-Shadow

I'm a metal head, but Eminem does have talent. Would be a shame to see him leave. It'll leave crap like 50 cent dominating the 'rap' market.

jacked

he's gonna be the next dre, sits on his ass all day and finds other people to make him money...

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Rui

Lets hope soon, he could take 50cent, D12, Sean Paul, Nelly and many other ones with him FOREVER...

This seems like a "Cher-style-goodbye" tho :S

Pim(P)

He made some good songs but also a lot of garbage so I dont really care if he quits.

CashLikeWhoa_Mike

I get your point about him becoming a producer, but if it was as easy as "sitting on his ass all day" a lot more people would be legendary producers .

Kind of like people think all webmasters sit on their ass all day get and get models to make them money, which you and I both know is not true. (Or at least not true for me!)

Dr. Dre has laid down some of the tigthest rap tracks in the history of hip hop! So it clearly takes a lot of talent - to find people and produce them right.

I think Eminem could be awesome as a producer if that is what he chooses to do - maybe even better as producer than he was as a rapper.

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Babagirls

you are so right, its almost scary lol

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candyflip

I'll say it again. He wants to be an actor.

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nico-t

lol

Vitasoy

Out on top? Is he running out of new material.

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It's a smart decision.

For those that won't read the whole article here's some interesting stuff in it:

More Booze

His music started to suck anyway.. I really liked his earlier songs....

pornguy

I hope that he took care of that money, If not, he will be back with a come back tour just like all the rest.

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Thomas_AT_eroswebmaster

In the music industry the title "producer", and more importantly getting a "production credit" on an album does not automatically mean any work is involved. Some producers are very hands on and are involved with all the technical aspects of getting tracks laid down, mic selection, the whole nine yards, and some are just there to ride the gravy train.

I'm sure he'd be involved in the creative process somehow, but he would probably not be doing any of the technical work. Definately not what you'd call "hard work".

I met him about 4 years ago, and at that time he was "technically illiterate" enough that he had engineers on call that could show up at his house to run his home studio if he got a shot of inspiration late at night. Though Im sure he could've learned more in that time. But bottom line is lot of the people who do the actual "production" work are never credited as such.
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Furious_Female

I like Eminem a lot. He should have never tried to be someone's not though. As soon as his songs became all "gangsta" and just pissing matches between him and his rivals, it just wasn't the same. His CDs the Eminem Show and before that were who Eminem is. Encore was a CD that should have never been released.

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Radik

I was just starting to like him.. oh well.

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GweedZilla

He may have had a lot of childish tracks, but theirs a good chance he WOULDN'T be here at all without them, since you point out "My name is .."

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mardigras

He'll show up in season 6 of "Hit Me Baby 1 More Time"

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pxxx

I don't think he should retire.

llporter

Eminem who? That is what they'll say in 5 years.

Ice Ice Baby - YEAH

CashLikeWhoa_Mike

think he will go out like Vanilla Ice? that's brutal!

Eminem has much more talent and street credibility than V. Ice.

Eminem was the real deal.

V. Ice was phony as a three dollar bill

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poisson

Nice timing

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Screaming

well that just sucks, i really like him

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Stacey_JoinRightNow

I dont think it's a smart move.
Eminem todays rocks and he is on highest fame.
Besides He is the only white american who can sings hip-hop well...

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tony286

He is a smart guy

PixeLs

Then it will be an empty sea without him...

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