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sonofsam 07-16-2005 07:28 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by AlienQ
All in all we are talking about 1 in 700 off of TGP traffic.

That is not bad.
if that is in fact off first page uniques.. and don't worry... i love your design :winkwink:

abyss_al 07-16-2005 07:29 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mako
Abyss, you're saying that someone staring at them on the join page was better, or worse, than the random pics? The English got a little botched, I missed it. Thx


it did better with the pic staring at them... sorry doing ten things at once.... blogs, emails, posting... my grammar and sentece structure is all mixed up

AlienQ - BANNED FOR LIFE 07-16-2005 07:30 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by sonofsam
if that is in fact off first page uniques.. and don't worry... i love your design :winkwink:
I like the design myself.
This is some pretty good feedback on one of my designs, my work never is in the limelight that often so I am all ears to make it better of course:)

Mako 07-16-2005 07:31 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by AlienQ
I like the design myself.
This is some pretty good feedback on one of my designs, my work never is in the limelight that often so I am all ears to make it better of course:)
Alien being an ass or not, that design is good. It needs some text changes, but the fundamental layout/look is very solid. :thumbsup

Nylz 07-16-2005 07:33 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by sonofsam
if that is in fact off first page uniques..
it should be, don't worry :)

AlienQ - BANNED FOR LIFE 07-16-2005 07:38 PM
Seriously SOS give it a go off of some softer traffic sources that might help.

the 2nd page thing Abyss mentioned is not such a bad idea either. I always fight with myself about having a next button that goes to a join page.

Ultimatly it probably would help.

The TGP route though 1 in 700 is no where near what the median would be with TGP traffic. The real median might be way higher. even 1 in 1200, 1 in 4000.

I never been a fan of TGP traffic for the bad ratio reasons alone.
Not to mantion with TGP traffic the traffic is very ravanous requiring a constant influx of content.

Do not give the house away.

Tempest 07-16-2005 07:42 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Headless
Ok... that is why you name your second page tour2a.html and keep it seperate from your "regular" tour... Make it link to joina.html etc etc

This way you can correctly identify what traffic is coming from where with different sources and affiliates
"Old" school shit still works wonders...

Chio The Pirate 07-16-2005 07:48 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Nylz
700 uniques from 50k gallery hits?

that's a CTR of about 1,5% (if we're talking about first page clicks), so I guess they're showing first page hits, otherwise the CTR of your gallery would be REALLY bad!

So if you look at it this way, a ratio of 1:700 isn't bad at all with this kind of traffic..

Correct me if I'm wrong here
YARGH! I agree. I think it could be better though. Some tweaks to the design (Shortening the amount of tour pages as The Other Steve Suggested), and a special bit of Chio's magic promotion techniques should help Sam quite a bit. :)

sonofsam 07-16-2005 07:51 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Chio The Pirate
YARGH! I agree. I think it could be better though. Some tweaks to the design (Shortening the amount of tour pages as The Other Steve Suggested), and a special bit of Chio's magic promotion techniques should help Sam quite a bit. :)
which i am REALLY looking forward to, btw :thumbsup

WarChild 07-16-2005 07:53 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by AlienQ
The TGP route though 1 in 700 is no where near what the median would be with TGP traffic. The real median might be way higher. even 1 in 1200, 1 in 4000.
:1orglaugh :1orglaugh :1orglaugh :1orglaugh

Chio The Pirate 07-16-2005 07:53 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by sonofsam
which i am REALLY looking forward to, btw :thumbsup

YARGH! You have the initial stuff setup for the first step?

Mako 07-16-2005 07:54 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Chio The Pirate
a special bit of Chio's magic promotion techniques should help Sam quite a bit. :)
Your first mate will help greatly Chio...

http://www.fullscreen-movies.com/lambo/PirateBooty.jpg

natas 07-16-2005 07:59 PM
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Originally Posted by abyss_al
pretty interesting:they setup a page where at the end when they clicked next, it went to a pay page.. one had nothing but random pics, they immediately left the site, the other though, had a pic of someone staring directly at them, somehow making them feel bad or uncomfotabel making them join....i would test this out on join page)
very interesting shit abyss.

thank god for a great biz thread full of solid advice :thumbsup

keep it coming everyone, and good luck with the site sam

AlienQ - BANNED FOR LIFE 07-16-2005 08:01 PM
Go for it Chio:)
All tours need tweaking.

Rumor is your pretty experienced in this as well:)

Nylz 07-16-2005 08:02 PM
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Originally Posted by WarChild
:1orglaugh :1orglaugh :1orglaugh :1orglaugh
:1orglaugh :1orglaugh :1orglaugh

WarChild 07-16-2005 08:03 PM
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Originally Posted by Nylz
:1orglaugh :1orglaugh :1orglaugh
Would you keep promoting a sponsor that was 1:1200 or 1:4000? Of course you wouldn't ... Apparently those that's closer to the average for TGP traffic. :(

Rex 07-16-2005 08:08 PM
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Originally Posted by webgurl
doesn't really need a concept , its just a single amateur girl site .
what concept ??
The other sites you named are different genre of paysites altogether .:2 cents:
It probably wouldn't hurt to get some subniche working for him too....I see alot of these solo girl sites doing some niche content whether it be a foot fetish thing, or some real specific stuff like balloons. This is all just stuff I've noticed while promoting sites for quite some time. I'm no bigtime gonzo pornographer, just a guy who affiliates with alot of different sites.

sonofsam 07-16-2005 08:10 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Rex
It probably wouldn't hurt to get some subniche working for him too....I see alot of these solo girl sites doing some niche content whether it be a foot fetish thing, or some real specific stuff like balloons. This is all just stuff I've noticed while promoting sites for quite some time. I'm no bigtime gonzo pornographer, just a guy who affiliates with alot of different sites.
i gave members the option to make requests in the members section :)

Nylz 07-16-2005 08:13 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by WarChild
Would you keep promoting a sponsor that was 1:1200 or 1:4000? Of course you wouldn't ... Apparently those that's closer to the average for TGP traffic. :(
I guess we're doing something wrong daymon :(

WarChild 07-16-2005 08:21 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Nylz
I guess we're doing something wrong daymon :(
No doubt man .. Here I thought you could get 1:100 conversions off of TGP traffic with a brand new site with a great design. I didn't even know 1:1200 or 1:4000 was acceptable.

bhutocracy 07-16-2005 08:22 PM
In addition to whats already been suggested, don't you think image choice may have played a part?


less
http://www.juliablue.com/images/pic_679b1a.jpg
http://www.juliablue.com/images/d4_pic.jpg

more

http://www.juliablue.com/images/pic_679c1.jpg
http://www.juliablue.com/images/pic_220a2.jpg


one looks like a bored stripper just thinking about getting out of there,

the other looks like someone i want to spill my load on.

Image choice is very important.. she needs to smile more and not just the "stripper smirk"


fiddy better tour pics.

sonofsam 07-16-2005 08:22 PM
i just got owned on the 50 post

sonofsam 07-16-2005 08:26 PM
also, damn :( the pic beside the butterfly is one of my favs

abyss_al 07-16-2005 08:28 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by bhutocracy
In addition to whats already been suggested, don't you think image choice may have played a part?


less
http://www.juliablue.com/images/pic_679b1a.jpg
http://www.juliablue.com/images/d4_pic.jpg

more

http://www.juliablue.com/images/pic_679c1.jpg
http://www.juliablue.com/images/pic_220a2.jpg


one looks like a bored stripper just thinking about getting out of there,

the other looks like someone i want to spill my load on.

Image choice is very important.. she needs to smile more and not just the "stripper smirk"


fiddy better tour pics.

very true... i keep saying make her smile and look like shes enjoying herself and less skanky,.... how u doin andrew?

Probono 07-16-2005 08:31 PM
I am going to dare to make a suggestion here since I have been working with amateur single girl sites for years. I understand your site is more polished and professional than those I do but that may well be an issue.

A Single girl site needs something to disinguish it from the masses, a niche like extreme Holly, a real personality like ellinude. You also need a stream of traffic looking for that girl, her personality. You need to make the buyer fall in love with that girl to pull the card out.

bhutocracy 07-16-2005 08:32 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by sonofsam
also, damn :( the pic beside the butterfly is one of my favs

to me it looks like she's thinking "i can't believe i have to do this shit"

And the one with the lolly pop is "this is my 50th 10 second position today, when's lunch"

the first good way says "what the hell are you waiting for? fill my ass from behind before i change my mind" she looks hungrier than bored. Still not 100% but way better than the other stuff.

A photographer can pick out 2 shots out of 50 to use in a magazine.. thats how you have to be with your tour...

sonofsam 07-16-2005 08:34 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by bhutocracy
to me it looks like she's thinking "i can't believe i have to do this shit"

And the one with the lolly pop is "this is my 50th 10 second position today, when's lunch"

the first good way says "what the hell are you waiting for? fill my ass from behind before i change my mind" she looks hungrier than bored. Still not 100% but way better than the other stuff.

A photographer can pick out 2 shots out of 50 to use in a magazine.. thats how you have to be with your tour...
gotcha... i'll look around for different pics...

and thanks probono, i agree

The Other Steve 07-16-2005 08:35 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by baddog
Actually, I believe it is closer to 50%, but he does have a join link on the front page, it is just too small to see.

BTW, I noticed you guys got a flurry of signups . . . does that mean you are promoting your site again? :)
I think the boss lady might have been putting a few links here and there

Alien - feel free to ask baddog what our ratio is with a one page tour and bugger all traffic.

baddog - if he asks give him the figures, modesty prevents me from bragging.

bhutocracy 07-16-2005 08:35 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by abyss_al
very true... i keep saying make her smile and look like shes enjoying herself and less skanky,.... how u doin andrew?
not bad.. about to get totally whipped by the gf if im not ready to leave to see sin city in about 5 min though lol - just had to make the point of how important the tour images are, even though it's a fairly obvious one.

abyss_al 07-16-2005 08:40 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by bhutocracy
to me it looks like she's thinking "i can't believe i have to do this shit"

And the one with the lolly pop is "this is my 50th 10 second position today, when's lunch"

the first good way says "what the hell are you waiting for? fill my ass from behind before i change my mind" she looks hungrier than bored. Still not 100% but way better than the other stuff.

A photographer can pick out 2 shots out of 50 to use in a magazine.. thats how you have to be with your tour...

:thumbsup

abyss_al 07-16-2005 08:41 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by bhutocracy
not bad.. about to get totally whipped by the gf if im not ready to leave to see sin city in about 5 min though lol - just had to make the point of how important the tour images are, even though it's a fairly obvious one.

one of the best movies i've seen .... don't go in there expecting anything and enjoy it :thumbsup

jonesy 07-16-2005 09:15 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by abyss_al
-make second page a little shoorter, and add a 'next page' at bottom that goes to join
-have all the small pics link to join page
-make join page a little more fuller (there was a recent study done on how people react differently when people are staring at them... pretty interesting:they setup a page where at the end when they clicked next, it went to a pay page.. one had nothing but random pics, they immediately left the site, the other though, had a pic of someone staring directly at them, somehow making them feel bad or uncomfotabel making them join....i would test this out on join page)
-the text is horrible... sounds like every other site out there... make it more personal...

-definitel have a trailer on each page.. or maybe just one... but have her tease and not show too much... you want the surfer's attention and the feind to join to see more.... same with the tour.. you dont want to show everything all in tour....
...

agreed

my :2 cents:

the tour needs to have continuity - the girl next door/nice girl pics, not the stripper looking ones - work in that she gets nasty but without showing it or maybe a tease shot but nothing to give it all away

like al said - get the surfer wanting to see the good shit and want to join.


dude check out the biggest solo girl sites out there , study them, do your homework then apply it to yours.

im not saying copy but apply the methods

sonofsam 07-16-2005 09:18 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by jonesy
agreed

my :2 cents:

the tour needs to have continuity - the girl next door/nice girl pics, not the stripper looking ones - work in that she gets nasty but without showing it or maybe a tease shot but nothing to give it all away

like al said - get the surfer wanting to see the good shit and want to join.


dude check out the biggest solo girl sites out there , study them, do your homework then apply it to yours.

im not saying copy but apply the methods
good advice, thanks.. yah i have a lot of people icqing me with suggestions and i want to thank everyone in this thread, and on icq helping me out :)

abyss_al 07-16-2005 09:20 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by jonesy
agreed

my :2 cents:

the tour needs to have continuity - the girl next door/nice girl pics, not the stripper looking ones - work in that she gets nasty but without showing it or maybe a tease shot but nothing to give it all away

like al said - get the surfer wanting to see the good shit and want to join.


dude check out the biggest solo girl sites out there , study them, do your homework then apply it to yours.

im not saying copy but apply the methods

:thumbsup :thumbsup

like my art teacher would always say... "if you're gonna copy, copy the best"
hehe... best teacher I ever had :pimp

Chris 07-16-2005 09:27 PM
I'm not an expert by anymeans
I am just another fellow webmaster voicing his opinion.

The site strains my eyes. To much blue
alot of brightness
hard to read the words that are gfx

just my opinion though

baddog 07-16-2005 09:56 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by abyss_al
-make second page a little shoorter, and add a 'next page' at bottom that goes to join
-have all the small pics link to join page
-make join page a little more fuller (there was a recent study done on how people react differently when people are staring at them... pretty interesting:they setup a page where at the end when they clicked next, it went to a pay page.. one had nothing but random pics, they immediately left the site, the other though, had a pic of someone staring directly at them, somehow making them feel bad or uncomfotabel making them join....i would test this out on join page)
-the text is horrible... sounds like every other site out there... make it more personal...
-i dont like her makeup and you should listen to wargames.... make her hair smooth, put less/softer makeup... make her young.... less skanky outfits.. and NO high heels(the stripper kind!)
-make her young and cute... get her to smile more often...
-tell the photographer not to shoot her from top.. ruins proportians, and have him use the white balance on the camera and manual mode... too much tint on the pics...
-definitel have a trailer on each page.. or maybe just one... but have her tease and not show too much... you want the surfer's attention and the feind to join to see more.... same with the tour.. you dont want to show everything all in tour....

i tihnk thats it for now..... i still have more to say about the members area...

wow, how much are you charging for all that info? SOS, I hope you were paying attention.

sonofsam 07-16-2005 09:58 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by baddog
wow, how much are you charging for all that info? SOS, I hope you were paying attention.
i am, and i've also talked about it on icq with him.. abyss al is a good guy :thumbsup

abyss_al 07-16-2005 09:59 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by baddog
wow, how much are you charging for all that info? SOS, I hope you were paying attention.

i hope so too... and my fees are small.... just his first born is mine...

baddog 07-16-2005 10:08 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by The Other Steve
baddog - if he asks give him the figures, modesty prevents me from bragging.

I wish you would brag . . . . and promote more. With those ratios I really don't know what is stopping you.

Alien, just a hint . . . if he was converting at 1:700 he would think I was shaving the living fuck out of him. :1orglaugh

The Other Steve 07-16-2005 10:13 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by baddog
I wish you would brag . . . . and promote more. With those ratios I really don't know what is stopping you.

Alien, just a hint . . . if he was converting at 1:700 he would think I was shaving the living fuck out of him. :1orglaugh
baddog if Marie or I bragged about it no-one would believe us - and these days you wouldn't believe what we're making from our writing business :)


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