China has no ability whatsoever to get a force across to Taiwan and then maintain it there even if the USA did not intervene. The Party would never risk it's control of the country with a war with the USA. Any economic reversal or loss of face through military defeat would mean the end of Party rule. The Party knows this and would never take this risk. Their strategy for Taiwan is looong term and very patient.

The USA is well aware of the situation and knows it doesn't have to fight China, but rather only the Party. The Americans could win this without a single bomb by using only economic pressure. As soon as they can't afford to keep the lights on in Shanghai the public will go ape.

The comment by the general is classic Chinese BS. Deniable chatter from a low level official. If they are called on it they can always say the guy was drunk. It's there way of sending a message.

I think the same was said about Hitler when they said there was no way they could have amassed an army and pose any real threat in such little time.

And that was real military types saying that, not just internet message board "intelligence" :1orglaugh

Clearly you've been paying close attention to China's massive military buildup.

It's a long way to Taiwan. You would need both naval and air supremacy to get there and then supply your forces. This sort of ability is decades away at best.

In desert storm most of the Iraqi equipment was actually purchased from China, and it is well known that the Chinese brass were truly shaken at how badly it performed. Saying there is a military buildup is not really correct...China has no offensive military capability and is just now working on establishing a defensive capability.

I hope china and the us go to war, and I hope all people in the US are decimated, oh but wait, the real ppl that need to die in the us all hide

Underground compounds, secret hide's/locations, whatever, intentionally withheld intelligence, quick evacuation methods for priveliged, etc.

I don't know where you get your information, but it's dead wrong. The pentagon itself said recently that they're worried about China's military buildup, even going as far as to say that they may be close to being equivalent to the US military. It's all been done in secret, they've been underreporting their buildup for years. There's no question that they have the capability to take Taiwan if America stays out of it.

Even if the Chinese army was armed with pointy sticks and slingshots it would still be rather potent given its sheer size.

china ?..

One thing that can be said about the Chinese, they don't make idle threats. Perhaps it'll be part of a strategy in hopes that there will be no conflict from it, but it's no bluff... they won't say they will do something unless they are fully capable and willing to do it.

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~Ray

This is American fearmongering. The PLA is little more than an armed conscript mob. In time perhaps more...but not now.

Has anyone here actually been to China?

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I wish I could use Nuclear Weapons on my stankin ass neighbors! :thumbsup

China is not Iraq with a paper miltary, they also own a large amount of the US government debt. THe US will back down on this one and try to talk it out.They dont want to fuck with China.

I taught English in China for almost two years, but that was a long time ago. China's military buildup is not American fear mongering, maybe 20 years ago they were what you described, but you clearly haven't been paying attention to their military budget. They are developing a high tech military, including an air force and navy. If they're not ready to take Taiwan yet, which almost everyone who studies foreign affairs agrees they are, they will be within the next two years. This is well known. You're talking like it's 1985 and they're still driving around on bikes. China has developed faster than any nation in the history of mankind.

hey bro... hit me up on icq when you see this.

The PLA is a political force that is meant to support the Party. 99% of what they do is keep people from spitting gum at Tian an Men or keep the peasants in line. Currently there is a huge problem with the division of rich and poor in China and some areas are not really in government control any longer. Except for a few specialist units the PLA is a police force.

Outside of the showcase cities China is a 3rd world country. Here are some recent pics that are very good examples of what you see in central China: http://www.pbase.com/orchard/china

To sum it up China is not yet capable of projecting military power and there is no credible threat to Taiwan now. In time yes, but not for many years. And I don't think they will go this route...Taiwan is a Chinese ethnic nation and in time the borders will blur. The people at the top know winning Taiwan is not a military struggle.

You're completely right.

they where able to put a men in orbit.. im sure they can deliver a nuke to the us.. but im sure nothing will ever happend.. everybody will louse badly if something ever happends between them

Of course you are wrong again...eh Richy boy? The only reason the pentagon is concerned about China's military buildup is concern for Taiwan. We have had a defense treaty with Taiwan since Taiwan was called Formosa. At the present time China does not have the military capability of invading Taiwan...modernization of their military and an increase in naval vessels would give them the capability...without intervention from the US.

God you're such a fucking faggot.

Of course you did...was that before or after you were a monk living in Tibet along side the Dali Lama? BTW is that where you learned your expertise in martial arts...you know the one where you learned how to break a man's arm into a "million pieces?

Hmm...yep they have developed faster than any nation in the history of mankind. They have only been around for approximately 4,000 years and well gosh they are almost not a third world country now. Hmm...and the US has been a country for how long is it now...200 and how many years.

Of course with those three degrees you possess (one being a masters in history) you be knowing things about history...eh Richy boy?

You are correct. Richy boy just thinks he be knowing things...eh Richy?

Doubtful. Just like with the USSR... The Cold War was largely a hoax. The average hillbilly in Kentucky was better equipped to fight a war than the average Soviet Soldier. This was never made more clear than when they called in their "elite" Tamanskaya division to quell the coup attempt when communists took control of the white house in Moscow in 91 and most of the troop transports, tanks and trucks ended up broken down on the side of the road.

The Russian military machine could not defeat 10,000 rebels in Chenya after 2 years of fighting with tanks, MIG's and artillery against AK-47's and RPG's.

I seriously doubt China has any real significant nuclear capability and reliable technology.

If China made a move on Taiwan, I doubt America would use military force against China. America can't afford the consequences.

I think there would be a lot of talk and political rhetoric, maybe America would give Taiwan some weapons to help it fight off China, but I don't see America getting militarily involved, the consequences are just too great.

I think whether America would ultimately "win" in the end is irrelevant. I don't think the average American is willing to suffer the consequences of such a war just to ensure Taiwan's independence.

By the way...

It would seem just slightly hypocritical to attack China after saying this. Not that looking like a hypocrit ever stopped politicians before :winkwink:

Oh please. This is just drivel to impress the citizens of their nation.

If they launch on us first, their country is DONE and they know that.

I hope the US get nuked

America, todays empire, tomorrows ashes

the US is begging for war, u think its weird that a country finally stands up to them with some serious shit?

don't underestimate the chinese, in about 10 years they kick everybody's ass, including the US :winkwink:

Yes, sometimes it does feel like we are feeding a monster.

that guy is just speaking out of his ass, if China really is planning an attack, the last thing they would do is to inform the whole world, it will only be known when the first explosion is hit
but both of these big powers know well enough to stay away from each other... i think war would be the last thing on both sides mind

India could give China a run for its money. Maybe the US will outsource the war to India.

one nuke bomb detonated will erase a city , u dont need really to have zillions of atomic bombs just to put one on the right place. Imagine an small nuke like hiroshima´s erasing manhattan. I dont even think in joking with any country with nuclear bombs. :(

You didn't read it very well, they're not saying they're just going to attack the US. They're saying that if the US attacks them when they invade Taiwan, they'll have no option but to use nukes.

...and every bomb made today is a hell of a lot more powerful than the ones used in WWII.

Wrong again...Richy boy...which is SOP for you...the US within recent times...is working on mini nukes...in the 1/2 to 2 kiloton range. So no...not "every bomb made today is a hell of a lot more powerful than the ones used in WWII".

Tick tack, or as someone pointed out to me on another board, tick tock.

America is getting fatter and poorer. Time is not on your side.
Knowledge is imported, as are goods.
You have to stop niggafying your country with useless sheepherders and wannabe crackdealers and use your current edge on american born children and their education.

Tick tock, tick tock.

heres a good example of why there would be no war.

North korea- Has nuke bombs,

Freakish small country with 5 *FIVE* nukes,

Does the united states even try to threaten North korea? Not even a peep, US tells china to do the talks, US has TOO much to lose and NK has nothing to lose.


A bomb exploding in california would decimate the US economy and send US straight into deep depression.


And you think US would think about waring with china?

I think not.