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Pleasurepays 07-15-2005 06:45 PM

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Originally Posted by mrbling
heres a good example of why there would be no war.

North korea- Has nuke bombs,

Freakish small country with 5 *FIVE* nukes,

Does the united states even try to threaten North korea? Not even a peep, US tells china to do the talks, US has TOO much to lose and NK has nothing to lose.


A bomb exploding in california would decimate the US economy and send US straight into deep depression.


And you think US would think about waring with china?

I think not.

The US does not have anything to lose from N Korea.. its a regional issue, not a global issue. That is why China, Russia, Japan and Korea have been taking the lead roles in dealing with them. N Korea does not have missiles that can even reach the US and the local governments have more influence over N Korea and stronger ties - and N Korea wants the US to participate only to continue blackmailing the US into feeding them and sending them oil. The US is trying to stay out of it so that they cannot continue their blackmail scam. Thats they only reason they need nuclear weapons to begin with... not for defense or offense, but for blackmailing the world into propping up their failed Stalinist regime with more aid.

Troels 07-15-2005 06:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Pleasurepays
The US does not have anything to lose from N Korea.. its a regional issue, not a global issue. That is why China, Russia, Japan and Korea have been taking the lead roles in dealing with them. N Korea does not have missiles that can even reach the US and the local governments have more influence over N Korea and stronger ties - and N Korea wants the US to participate only to continue blackmailing the US into feeding them and sending them oil. The US is trying to stay out of it so that they cannot continue their blackmail scam. Thats they only reason they need nuclear weapons to begin with... not for defense or offense, but for blackmailing the world into propping up their failed Stalinist regime with more aid.

Why is the Israeli/Palestinian issue a global issue and not a regional issue then?
Noone gives a fuck about Israel except the US (domestic issues..). Israel would have been an Arab amusement park a long time ago had it not been for the US threat of reprisal.

TheSaint 07-15-2005 08:35 PM

If China attacked Taiwan its not a forgone conclusion that they would win. Even without U.S. help, its possible Taiwan would emerge victorious IF they had the will to fight, which is somewhat doubtful. But history has shown over and over again that the side with better technology wins, and the Chinese military, like most conscript armys, is barely a notch above Sadam's legions.

TheSaint 07-15-2005 08:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Troels
Why is the Israeli/Palestinian issue a global issue and not a regional issue then?
Noone gives a fuck about Israel except the US (domestic issues..). Israel would have been an Arab amusement park a long time ago had it not been for the US threat of reprisal.

Actually that is incorrect. In the Arab/Israeli wars, the arabs were always beat by Isreal, and badly. In the last conflict Moscow called Washington to threaten intervention unless the Israrel pulled back from humiliating the arabs any further.

Pleasurepays 07-15-2005 10:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Troels
Why is the Israeli/Palestinian issue a global issue and not a regional issue then?
Noone gives a fuck about Israel except the US (domestic issues..). Israel would have been an Arab amusement park a long time ago had it not been for the US threat of reprisal.

i dont know why people keep saying that Isreal would be destroyed if not for the US... the fact of the matter is that all of Isreals neighbors have tried to destroy islreal and were completely decimated in the process. the only thing the US has done (and Britain) is armed them.

global politics is about national interests... not universal fairness. thats just the way of the game. why should the US care about feeding and taming N Korea when there is nothing in it for the US?

why doesn't Sweden feed them and try to broker a new arms deal for them to break again? ;)

TheJimmy 07-15-2005 10:53 PM

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Originally Posted by KRL
Yeh ok that'll be the day.

Radicals we should worry about.

Countries we should not. Any country that pulls the nuke card on the US would not only have all their military and politcal command centers decimated, but would be isolated from the world's economy instantly, and have the entire block of western and NATO countries to deal with.

Not gonna happen unless someone is damn stupid, and the Chinese are not.



sounds like he took Introduction to International Relations 101 too...


have to totally agree...states can be dealt with...wacky non-state entities are what's scarey...


:helpme

pxxx 07-15-2005 11:08 PM

I don't like the sound of that.

Paraskass 07-15-2005 11:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Chio The Pirate

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zzgundamnzz 07-15-2005 11:17 PM

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Originally Posted by NetRodent
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Damnit Harry, you should have let me have a go at them when we had the chance.

Damn somebody sure knows their history :thumbsup

The Sultan Of Smut 07-15-2005 11:21 PM

China has weapons of mass destruction. Go get em!

smack 07-15-2005 11:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Rich
I have no idea what a boomer is unless you're talking about football comentators, but if you think China does not have the ability to reach the western USA with ballistic missiles, you're simply wrong.


a boomer is the nick name of large nuclear submarines armed with ballistic missles.

jukeboxfrank 07-15-2005 11:43 PM

The US would not really lift a finger to help Taiwan maybe back in the day when
they gave us cheap imports but now that we buy from China and don't really need
them. Sure we would talk loud but that is all......

VeriSexy 07-16-2005 12:36 AM

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Originally Posted by Rich
It's scary how fast they're becoming a super power. They already control the Panama canal, one of the most important strategic resources on the planet. A lot of people don't realize that. America creates the country of Panama, builds the canal, and then less than 100 years later looses control of it to communists. Once they're able to purchase Unocal, expect them to start grabbing up energy and defense companies like crazy. They have close to one trillion dollars in reserve US currency, enough to buy Boeing, Lockheed Martin, and every existing US energy company. What did Lenin say about capitalists selling the rope to hang them with? China seems to have listened.


Damn Rich, your pretty informed about China......... China will have 1 Trillion by next summer :helpme

China's forex reserves increase to US$711bn


China's foreign exchange reserves increased by just over US$100bn in the first six months of this year to US$711bn, nearly double the rate at which its store of overseas currency rose in the same period last year.

China's foreign reserves are on track to break US$1,000bn by June next year if they continue to expand at the current rate, according to Stephen Green, an economist with Standard Chartered in Shanghai.

The build-up in reserves increases the pressure on the People's Bank of China, the central bank, and its efforts to control monetary supply and inflation, and will fuel an already intense debate about whether Beijing should revalue its currency, the renminbi, now pegged to the US dollar.

The rapid build-up of foreign reserves in recent months has been driven primarily by a swelling trade surplus and strong foreign investment.

Speculative capital inflows, much of it banking on a revaluation of the Chinese currency, are also contributing to the build-up, but not to the extent that they were late last year.

"Hot-money inflows appear to be easing," said Ben Simpfendorfer, an economist with JP Morgan.

http://www.chinadaily.com.cn/english...ent_460381.htm[/QUOTE]

VeriSexy 07-16-2005 12:51 AM

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Originally Posted by Shoplifter
It's a long way to Taiwan. You would need both naval and air supremacy to get there and then supply your forces. This sort of ability is decades away at best.

In desert storm most of the Iraqi equipment was actually purchased from China, and it is well known that the Chinese brass were truly shaken at how badly it performed. Saying there is a military buildup is not really correct...China has no offensive military capability and is just now working on establishing a defensive capability.


Taiwan is not that far from China at all.

"Taiwan is situated in the Pacific Ocean about 160 kilometers (100 miles) off the southeastern coast of the Chinese mainland. Located about midway between Korea and Japan to the north and Hong Kong and the Philippines to the south, Taiwan is a natural gateway for travelers to Asia."

China could easily attack Taiwan but not take on the US, they are not stupid and they will only attack if they are 100% sure. Pretty sure they will use economic power to gain Taiwan instead of military power.....

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VeriSexy 07-16-2005 12:52 AM

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VeriSexy 07-16-2005 12:54 AM

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Hornydog4cooter 07-16-2005 12:56 AM

Now that is interesting. I watched yesterday on c-span were the republicans tried to pass a bill on the floor to send arms to china..... Thankfully they did not get the votes.......

VeriSexy 07-16-2005 12:59 AM

Chinese Version of F-16 thanks to Israel

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VeriSexy 07-16-2005 01:07 AM

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Flying Radar???
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BlueDesignStudios 07-16-2005 01:17 AM

99.......

VeriSexy 07-16-2005 01:26 AM

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Originally Posted by smack
a boomer is the nick name of large nuclear submarines armed with ballistic missles.


China's military has launched the first of a new class of ballistic missile submarines in what defense officials view as a major step forward in Beijing's strategic weapons program.
The new 094-class submarine was launched in late July and when fully operational in the next year or two will be the first submarine to carry the underwater-launched version of China's new DF-31 missile, according to defense officials.
"When fully operational, it will represent a more modern, more capable missile platform," said one official familiar with reports of the new submarine.

A second intelligence official said building submarines is a top priority of the Chinese, and the Type 094 will be "China's first truly intercontinental strategic nuclear delivery system."
The new Type 094 was spotted by U.S. intelligence agencies at the Huludao shipyard, located on the coast of Bohai Bay, some 250 miles northwest of Beijing.
The submarine is in the early stages of being outfitted and is not yet equipped with new JL-2 submarine-launched nuclear missiles.
The submarine is believed to be based largely on Russian nuclear submarine technology, the officials said.
A CIA report made public last week stated that Russia was a major supplier of technology to China's naval nuclear propulsion programs.
The launching of the new missile submarine appears ahead of schedule. A Pentagon report on Chinese military power made public in May stated that the new Chinese missile submarine would not be deployed until around 2010.
A Defense Intelligence Agency report produced in 1999 and labeled "secret" stated that the new submarine is part of a program by China of "modernizing and expanding its missile force."
"Mobile, solid-fuel missiles and a new ballistic missile submarine will improve the force's ability to survive a first strike," the report said, "while more launchers, on-board penetration aids, and possibly multiple warheads will improve its ability to penetrate missile defenses."
The DIA report stated that China is expected to field one new ballistic missile submarine by 2020.
A Chinese Embassy spokesman had no immediate comment.
In a related development, U.S. intelligence officials said the Chinese suffered a setback in their JL-2 missile program when a test flight of the JL-2 missile failed over the summer.
The JL-2 missile program was delayed by the test failure but is continuing to be developed, the officials said. China conducted tests of the JL-2 in 2002 and last year.
Richard Fisher, vice president of the Washington-based International Assessment and Strategy Center, said the launch of the new missile submarine is "an astounding development."
"The 094 has followed 093 development far more rapidly than the assessments in the annual Pentagon reports on the PLA," Mr. Fisher said, referring to the China's People's Liberation Army.
China also recently launched a new attack submarine known as the Type 093. Additionally, U.S. intelligence agencies were surprised by China's disclosure in July of a third new type of submarine known as the Yuan-class, a diesel-electric attack submarine.
"In the very near future, China will have a secure, second-strike nuclear attack capability that it will use to bolster its nuclear strategy of seeking to deter the United States from aiding Taiwan after a PLA attack," Mr. Fisher said.
Mr. Fisher said the JL-2 likely will have multiple warheads.
The new submarine will make it more difficult for the U.S. military to take part in a defense of Taiwan because of the threat of nuclear retaliation, he said.
The Pentagon has deployed a new missile defense system, but a spokesman for the Missile Defense Agency has said the current interceptor system is designed to stop a long-range North Korean missile, but not an attack from Chinese or Russian missiles.
A 1999 report by the House Select Committee on U.S. National Security and Military/Commercial Concerns with the People's Republic of China stated that the new missile submarine will likely benefit from stolen U.S. nuclear warhead designs.
The report stated that the JL-2 is expected to have a longer range than the DF-31 and that 16 JL-2s will be deployed on the new submarine.
The range of the JL-2 is estimated to be about 7,500 miles, enough "to strike targets throughout the United States," the report said.
"Instead of venturing into the open ocean to attack the United States, the Type 094-class submarines could remain near [Chinese] waters, protected by the [People's Liberation Army,] Navy and Air Force," the report said.
The new submarine will be a major improvement over China's current ballistic missile submarine known as the Xia, which is equipped with medium-range missiles.
The current Xia submarine is considered so noisy to underwater detection gear that its chances of surviving attack submarine strikes in ocean waters are limited.


http://www.washtimes.com/national/20...5302-2338r.htm

Shoplifter 07-16-2005 01:28 AM

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Originally Posted by VeriSexy
Taiwan is not that far from China at all.

"Taiwan is situated in the Pacific Ocean about 160 kilometers (100 miles)

In military terms it's a long way, three times the English channel.

Any assault across the Taiwan straight would be easily interdicted. They might get across if they have surprise but there is no way they can hold a supply route without total air and naval supremacy.

VeriSexy 07-16-2005 01:29 AM

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Originally Posted by Shoplifter
In military terms it's a long way, three times the English channel.

Any assault across the Taiwan straight would be easily interdicted. They might get across if they have surprise but there is no way they can hold a supply route without total air and naval supremacy.


Taiwan is well within range of China missiles and Jets

DarkJedi 07-16-2005 04:00 AM

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Originally Posted by wdsguy
You do realize that their nuclear capabilities pales in comparison to the US arsenal right? The few nuclear subs that they have can't even travel too far because they break down so often.

And it takes only 1 warhead to fuck USA up for the next 20 years.

nico-t 07-16-2005 04:47 AM

we all know what happens when a country is looking for world domination - look at germany 1945. The US is asking for wars all over the world, i find it the opposite of surprising what china said.
The US needs a brand new government - fast. One that thinks about the big picture of creating allies instead of enemies, for the sake of their own, and the world economies. It's like a raging bull in the world sadly.

theking 07-16-2005 05:18 AM

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Originally Posted by nico-t
we all know what happens when a country is looking for world domination - look at germany 1945. The US is asking for wars all over the world, i find it the opposite of surprising what china said.
The US needs a brand new government - fast. One that thinks about the big picture of creating allies instead of enemies, for the sake of their own, and the world economies. It's like a raging bull in the world sadly.

Pig shit.


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