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woj · 07-13-2005, 09:00 AM

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palladin · 07-13-2005, 09:08 AM

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Originally Posted by sperbonzo

Totally true. I've lived and traveled in the UK. There are Cameras all OVER the place... People have even been convicted of crimes in their own homes because outside cameras happened to see them through the windows.

I"m sure that George Orwell would have started putting up "Oceana" signs all over the UK if he was still alive...

Oh dear oh dear. Bullshit is not strong enough a word for this.

1) as a brit I am not aware that ANYONE has EVER been nabbed for doing something their own home caught on CCTV - they point down streets, not into windows

2) two years ago city centre CCTVs picked up a teengae girl being snatched in the street in yorkshire by a guy at 1am and dragged into a park - cop cars from all different directions where on the scene in minutes and grabbed the guy. God knows what would have happened otherwise. I've got two teenage daughters and this one got to me.

3) nobody in the uk complains about CCTV cams but everyone complains about speed cams on roads (as do I), which is a DIFFERENT THING ENTIRELY.

4) your knowledge of my country is obviously superficial and stupid. shut the fuck up.

4)

ThunderBalls · 07-13-2005, 09:17 AM

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Originally Posted by palladin

Oh dear oh dear. Bullshit is not strong enough a word for this.

1) as a brit I am not aware that ANYONE has EVER been nabbed for doing something their own home caught on CCTV - they point down streets, not into windows

2) two years ago city centre CCTVs picked up a teengae girl being snatched in the street in yorkshire by a guy at 1am and dragged into a park - cop cars from all different directions where on the scene in minutes and grabbed the guy. God knows what would have happened otherwise. I've got two teenage daughters and this one got to me.

3) nobody in the uk complains about CCTV cams but everyone complains about speed cams on roads (as do I), which is a DIFFERENT THING ENTIRELY.

4) your knowledge of my country is obviously superficial and stupid. shut the fuck up.

4)

Sperbonzo also claims to have witnessed many people die waiting for health care while living in the UK

palladin · 07-13-2005, 09:18 AM

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Originally Posted by ThunderBalls

Sperbonzo also claims to have witnessed many people die waiting for health care while living in the UK

Yeah, never happens anywhere else does it .........

sperbonzo · 07-13-2005, 09:41 AM

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Originally Posted by palladin

Oh dear oh dear. Bullshit is not strong enough a word for this.

1) as a brit I am not aware that ANYONE has EVER been nabbed for doing something their own home caught on CCTV - they point down streets, not into windows

2) two years ago city centre CCTVs picked up a teengae girl being snatched in the street in yorkshire by a guy at 1am and dragged into a park - cop cars from all different directions where on the scene in minutes and grabbed the guy. God knows what would have happened otherwise. I've got two teenage daughters and this one got to me.

3) nobody in the uk complains about CCTV cams but everyone complains about speed cams on roads (as do I), which is a DIFFERENT THING ENTIRELY.

4) your knowledge of my country is obviously superficial and stupid. shut the fuck up.

4)

1. Actually, there was a case where someone in Bristol, where I was living, was seen through their window by a CCTV doing drugs, and there was a controversy over their arrest.

2. I didn't say that it wasn't effective in stopping crime, I just said that they were all over the place.

3. I never said that anyone complains about them in the UK. I find people there to be far more tolerant of a very strong central government. I said that I thought that AMERICANS would not be too happy about them

4. You obviously did not read my posts very thoughly, you don't know me, and you're personal insults are silly and pointless. Please learn to debate like a grownup.

sperbonzo · 07-13-2005, 09:44 AM

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Originally Posted by ThunderBalls

Sperbonzo also claims to have witnessed many people die waiting for health care while living in the UK

That's right.... and it also happens in Canada, and Australia..... They are usually cancer patients who are waiting for Chemotherarpy

sperbonzo · 07-13-2005, 01:35 PM

What happened? No answers to my posts?

jayeff · 07-13-2005, 03:00 PM

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Originally Posted by sperbonzo

What happened? No answers to my posts?

Possibly because it is more than usually pointless to respond to someone who apparently believes he is implying valid broad conclusions from exceptional cases. There are any number of measurements to suggest that in overall terms for the majority of the population, healthcare in the UK is better and less expensive than in the US. None I am aware of that suggest the reverse.

As to the CCTV part of this thread, I commented on that in #47.

Sarah_Jayne · 07-13-2005, 03:17 PM

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Originally Posted by sperbonzo

1. Actually, there was a case where someone in Bristol, where I was living, was seen through their window by a CCTV doing drugs, and there was a controversy over their arrest.

link to an article? I ask because I have lived here nearly ten years and I never heard of one case like that and I can gaurantee you if that happened it would be ALL OVER the national press. So..when did you live there and when did this happen?

Webby · 07-13-2005, 04:50 PM

Like most places there are strengths and weaknesses.. The UK does have more cameras than any square mile elsewhere in the world. These are not "govt cameras" necessarily - just common sense stuff (banks/stores blah). However, any city, especially around sensitive locations and where bombings previously occurred, will usually have some video security and traffic control cameras are normal.

UK Intell may be good, but they also have screwups. The most public and notorious being the IRA Guildford bombings where the pressure was on law enforcement to find bodies to charge and they "arranged" the selected candidates who were stuffed in jail cells for years until the lying police officers and Crown Prosecution Service collusion was exposed. Tho this was a problem with deviant investigators and a total asshole forensic "expert" - a people thing! Generally they are good and don't make a fuss and get the job done.

Rest assured, the only reason the US does not have cameras is it could not afford em to cover the country and would be kinda pointless in rural areas - otherwise they would be there. But it won't be long till they are in full operation in cities.

tristan_D · 07-13-2005, 05:45 PM

I have heard good things about European intelligence agency, especially in the UK.

a1ka1ine · 07-13-2005, 05:53 PM

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Originally Posted by haig

we hav be in diel with Terorizm for 20 years.
lots of baby, child, women & Solger daid in Turkey;
that is more then 30000 people in legal recording.
but anybody help us, in adition was this fucken Terorist Organization was Supporting by some europian & other some countries. i want to say anybody saw that, wile who 30000 people that. how ever when wich attack come your head, you show to your reaction all over the world.
thats intresting actualy.
sins 1000 years we was living like brother or sister what ever with Kurdish people, but but other forrener country shit that, we start to war with Kurdish Terorists.
but still no Problem with Kurdish cominity, my some neare frends olso Kurdish.
we are not enemy, but if wich country crate terorizm in other countries, they hav to se wich is rezolt.
ha i'm not surely accept terorist fucken attacking in London, not guilty people in ther, maybe uk wasn't sported any Teror event. i want to give example only.
finely country not important for that, terorizm only terorizm.
not relationship any rilegen or nation what ever.
Regards.

terrorism is an awful thing that plagues many countries, i just hope that we are all moving forwards to a resolution, not further from it

a1ka1ine · 07-13-2005, 05:55 PM

the uk has the highest cctv camera per human rate in the world. one of my friends used to work in one of the cctv centres and she was resposible for directing emergency services to crimes as they were being committed.

i think the cameras are effective at at least apprehending criminals, and maybe stopping things from escalating - although im not sure how much of a deterrant a camera would be to a drunken person that just wants a fight or a suicide bomber etc

bhutocracy · 07-13-2005, 06:11 PM

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Originally Posted by sperbonzo

That's right.... and it also happens in Canada, and Australia..... They are usually cancer patients who are waiting for Chemotherarpy

LOL.. yeah and they're no different to Americans dying with cancer.
You seem to be under the delusion that the only way to get medical care is to wait on a list. Basically it can be exactly the same as the states - ie there is private health care AND you can pay upfront if you don't want to wait... what we have that you don't have however is top class health care that doesn't bankrupt you if you're willing to deal with a waiting list for non emergency procedures and top class healthcare that you don't have to wait for if it's an emergency.

I don't understand why Americans seem to think healthcare in Australia is like commies waiting in a bread line. I guess it's just ignorance.

palladin · 07-14-2005, 06:33 AM

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Originally Posted by sarah_webinc

link to an article? I ask because I have lived here nearly ten years and I never heard of one case like that and I can gaurantee you if that happened it would be ALL OVER the national press. So..when did you live there and when did this happen?

Yes, I agree. I've never heard of it either. As another poster said it is ILLEGAL to point CCTV cameras into homes. I would love to get busted in that way - you'd walk out of court innocent and probably the police would get roasted for it.

sperbonzo sorry you didnt like my choice of words, your post was so poorly thought out that I couched my response in terms i thought you'd understand. If I insulted your undoubted intellect, thats tough, but whoever said life was fair ?

palladin · 07-14-2005, 06:36 AM

ps I'm a big Orwell fan. Your crack about putting up the Oceania signs wouldnt have amused him much - it would have shown how much you missed the point about his book. CCTVcameras are there to protect society, not control it.

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Webby Too lazy to set a custom title Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Far far away - as possible Posts: 14,956	Like most places there are strengths and weaknesses.. The UK does have more cameras than any square mile elsewhere in the world. These are not "govt cameras" necessarily - just common sense stuff (banks/stores blah). However, any city, especially around sensitive locations and where bombings previously occurred, will usually have some video security and traffic control cameras are normal. UK Intell may be good, but they also have screwups. The most public and notorious being the IRA Guildford bombings where the pressure was on law enforcement to find bodies to charge and they "arranged" the selected candidates who were stuffed in jail cells for years until the lying police officers and Crown Prosecution Service collusion was exposed. Tho this was a problem with deviant investigators and a total asshole forensic "expert" - a people thing! Generally they are good and don't make a fuss and get the job done. Rest assured, the only reason the US does not have cameras is it could not afford em to cover the country and would be kinda pointless in rural areas - otherwise they would be there. But it won't be long till they are in full operation in cities. __________________ XXX TLD's - Another mosquito to swat.

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07-13-2005, 05:55 PM	#63
a1ka1ine Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Apr 2002 Posts: 3,387	the uk has the highest cctv camera per human rate in the world. one of my friends used to work in one of the cctv centres and she was resposible for directing emergency services to crimes as they were being committed. i think the cameras are effective at at least apprehending criminals, and maybe stopping things from escalating - although im not sure how much of a deterrant a camera would be to a drunken person that just wants a fight or a suicide bomber etc