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Old 04-02-2005, 01:28 PM   #1
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kinzie kenner & rachel18

About a week ago lightspeed did the whole rank the top 8 lightspeed girls thing (that I fucked up about 5 times) and I'm wondering why these two were not in the list. Did they quit?
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Old 07-04-2005, 06:47 PM   #2
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hmm still wondering
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Why aren't they include. was the selection part of the regular update?
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Kinzie has been done with them forever man. klubkinzie.com is her new place . However, they still got all that content on kinziekenner.com that i've never been paid for and that they have no model releases on, so they obviously dont want to talk about her to much. Just "shhhh, no one will ever know". ;)
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Old 07-05-2005, 09:03 AM   #5
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Kinzie has been done with them forever man. klubkinzie.com is her new place . However, they still got all that content on kinziekenner.com that i've never been paid for and that they have no model releases on, so they obviously dont want to talk about her to much. Just "shhhh, no one will ever know". ;)
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Kinzie has been done with them forever man. klubkinzie.com is her new place . However, they still got all that content on kinziekenner.com that i've never been paid for and that they have no model releases on, so they obviously dont want to talk about her to much. Just "shhhh, no one will ever know". ;)
uh say what?
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Kinzie has been done with them forever man. klubkinzie.com is her new place . However, they still got all that content on kinziekenner.com that i've never been paid for and that they have no model releases on, so they obviously dont want to talk about her to much. Just "shhhh, no one will ever know". ;)
k, this thread is going to be a loooong one
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Have I mentioned Kinzie's affiliate program at KinzieCash.com?

FHGS, free content package blah blah blah...
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Kinzie has been done with them forever man. klubkinzie.com is her new place . However, they still got all that content on kinziekenner.com that i've never been paid for and that they have no model releases on, so they obviously dont want to talk about her to much. Just "shhhh, no one will ever know". ;)
Last I heard, there was a negotation to return kinziekenner.com to Kinzie, but no one has contacted me about it.

Bad call on this one Jimmy, you are making Lightspeed look bad without all the facts. We don't OWN kinziekenner.com, I'm pretty much sorry I ever got involved with marketing for it. I've taken a loss on it one too, its been nothing but a headache for us.

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Bad call on this one Jimmy, you are making Lightspeed look bad without all the facts.
Hi Steve,

Can't disagree with you on that one.

Hope all is well.
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Last I heard, there was a negotation to return kinziekenner.com to Kinzie, but no one has contacted me about it.

Bad call on this one Jimmy, you are making Lightspeed look bad without all the facts. We don't OWN kinziekenner.com, I'm pretty much sorry I ever got involved with marketing for it. I've taken a loss on it one too, its been nothing but a headache for us.

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Steve, I have no care about what happens with the domain kinziekenner.com . What I am saying and what I alerted Rochard too as well, many times when this was all going down, was that Kinzie and I were getting ripped off. Not by you guys, but Jason Tucker. Nothing ever got done on your end. 90% of her content was shot by me and her model releases were signed off to me. I had many convos with Rochard about this and even Kinzie herself discussed these happenings with you guys. But you did nothing, just kept the site up a running as usual.

All i kept hearing from Rochard was that your deal was with Jason Tucker and your hands were tied cuz he was a" prominent figure in the industry", lmao. You're fucking Lightspeed for christ sake! How is Jason Tucker a threat to you?? And if he was weaseling you why not do something about it? If Kinzie herself is comming to you saying shes getting jacked, do something about it! If i'm saying i'm not getting paid for my content you are using, do something about it. You are the big dog. Re-evaluate your deal with Tuck-a-Buck, see that "oh yeah, he hasn't provided model releases, perhaps he doesnt own this content" just like i was telling Rochard many many times, and you guys still continued with the site and blamed Kinzie for neglect. Well look at klubkinzie.com, she obviously wasnt the problem with your deal as she is more than capable of carrying a site.

You even started putting her site in all your "lightspeed world" or whatever packages, even with the knowledge that there was something wrong. All this is fact, and its all the fact i need to know to make the comment i did. I am not making Lightspeed look bad, the fact that you sat on this knowledge and did nothing is what makes you look bad. Business as usual i guess.
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Can't disagree with you on that one.

Hope all is well.
Jimmy, it looks like no one is asking for your help here. If you didn't get paid by Tucker, then talk to Tucker. I made a deal WITH TUCKER to market KinzieKenner.com, and I have kept my part of the deal, even when it has LOST ME MONEY.

Forgive me for trying to recover some of my losses, just as you are trying to recover yours.

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[QUOTE=Jimmy Lifestyles]Well look at klubkinzie.com, she obviously wasnt the problem with your deal as she is more than capable of carrying a site.
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Yes, let's everyone look at KinzieCash.com, what splendid idea, splendid I say.

Honestly, this site converts and retains members very, very well. It's worth sending some traffic to.
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Jimmy, it looks like no one is asking for your help here. If you didn't get paid by Tucker, then talk to Tucker. I made a deal WITH TUCKER to market KinzieKenner.com, and I have kept my part of the deal, even when it has LOST ME MONEY.

Forgive me for trying to recover some of my losses, just as you are trying to recover yours.

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Bro, you think this has anything to do with ChefJeff? Gimmie a break. I Like the way you responded to none of what i said, usually a sign of guilt or agreement. Does Tucker own Lightspeedworld.com or Lightspeedgirls.com ? If he does then i guess you are not at any fault. If he doesnt, then you still promote and have Kinzie's pictures and content available at 100% gain to you and no one else through there. Tucker is lost, he dug his own grave, we know this. But you still did nothing when the facts were brought to you, so dont say i'm making you look bad when you just sat there. You "lost money" ? lmao, probably almost put you under huh? Lightspeed almost had to close its doors! Thats a weak excuse and a dodge of the points that i had made. But i guess it doesnt matter, because once again instead of standing up a doing what is right like Rochard should have done back when all this was at attention, you'll just act like a victim and continue using her content and ignore what is truth.
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No, I'm really serious about how well her site is retaining.
This girl shoots content like no model I have ever seen. She lights up for the camera! Not to mention her live cam shows are awesome (Voted #1 cam show on the camz.com network last month). Members love her and they stay members for months and months and months.

We welcome all webmasters to our program, and I do mean all.
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Bro, you think this has anything to do with ChefJeff? Gimmie a break. I Like the way you responded to none of what i said, usually a sign of guilt or agreement. Does Tucker own Lightspeedworld.com or Lightspeedgirls.com ? If he does then i guess you are not at any fault. If he doesnt, then you still promote and have Kinzie's pictures and content available at 100% gain to you and no one else through there. Tucker is lost, he dug his own grave, we know this. But you still did nothing when the facts were brought to you, so dont say i'm making you look bad when you just sat there. You "lost money" ? lmao, probably almost put you under huh? Lightspeed almost had to close its doors! Thats a weak excuse and a dodge of the points that i had made. But i guess it doesnt matter, because once again instead of standing up a doing what is right like Rochard should have done back when all this was at attention, you'll just act like a victim and continue using her content and ignore what is truth.
If you've been wronged, get an attorney and see it through in court. When I get a court order telling me to do anything differently, it will be done the same day. Breaking my deal with Tucker will do nothing to help you, it will just give him a reason to take me to court.

I spend thousands on advertising in case you haven't noticed. I promoted Kinzie AT MY EXPENSE in magazines, radio and tradeshows. I also paid off some of her past debt to a previous agent. I am the ONLY ONE that has kept my part of the deal here! But you want to make me look bad, ok. Next time someone you know owes me money, I'll ask YOU for it, or demand that you break your arrangements with them immediately at your expense.

Show me the contract I signed with YOU or Kinzie if you want anything from me, otherwise, again, TALK TO TUCKER. Take him to court if you feel you have a case. That is the way business works.

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And yes, my agreement with Tucker pays him for the usage of Kinzie's site inside of Lightspeedworld and Lightspeedgirls. You are just proving here that you don't know any of the FACTS

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Jeff, call Tucker and get that negotiation FINISHED. I don't even WANT Kinzie's site under Lightspeedcash. I will be happy to turn it over to either of you. I am tired of looking like the bad guy here.

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Hey Brent (Jimmy) we have a letter of settlement from Kinzie and signed releases which Lightspeed has copies of. Stick to shooting and stay out the business side to which you know nothing about. We have signed releases from you as well on file.

Dude...i dont get you.
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Steve - FYI I spoke with Jeff last week.
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Call me... let's finish a deal. Or I'll call you, either way, it's all gravy.
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For the record, Steve has NEVER BEEN ANYTHING but honorable in our dealings and got put into a situation due to a misunderstanding we had with Kinzie; that is all settled now so dont use this thread as a way to attack LS as Lightspeed is the best amateur program on the net PERIOD.
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Ok, now for Rachel. She got pregnant from her highschool sweetheart and quit modeling to become a wife and mother. OH THE DRAMA!

Next?
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If you've been wronged, get an attorney and see it through in court. When I get a court order telling me to do anything differently, it will be done the same day. Breaking my deal with Tucker will do nothing to help you, it will just give him a reason to take me to court.

I spend thousands on advertising in case you haven't noticed. I promoted Kinzie AT MY EXPENSE in magazines, radio and tradeshows. I also paid off some of her past debt to a previous agent. I am the ONLY ONE that has kept my part of the deal here! But you want to make me look bad, ok. Next time someone you know owes me money, I'll ask YOU for it, or demand that you break your arrangements with them immediately at your expense.

Show me the contract I signed with YOU or Kinzie if you want anything from me, otherwise, again, TALK TO TUCKER. Take him to court if you feel you have a case. That is the way business works.

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Are you for real? Does anything i have said or told you make you think your "deal" with Tucker is valid? You got played by the guy and you are telling me to handle it with him? YOU ARE USING CONTENT THAT TUCKER DOES NOT OWN! how can you say with a straight face that you are ok with that Steve?? I sure on his end of the deal it says he will provide content and updates, has he done any of that? NO, deal is breached. To quote you, that is how business works. Tucker take YOU to court?? How fuckin funny is that!

As far as you paying off a debt for Kinzie, a debt that she didnt owe. You did it to clear your own gain to use Sarah Blake (Littletroublemaker) You were basically extorted by that agent, straight up. Kinzie did not owe him money and you took it upon yourself to pay not to help Kinzie, but just so you could shoot littletroublemaker. Then on top of that you make Kinzie "work it off"?? She didnt ask you to do that man, so that isnt a pro to you.

Funny thing is, is i dont think i've asked for anything as far as money in this thread. Just giving you the facts that you seemed to neglect. Wake up man!
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Girls girls girls, calm down. This is too much excitement for a 3 month old thread. She is a pretty girl. I think her current design is pretty ugly and to say "Kinzie has been done with them forever" like she moved on to bigger & better things is laughable.
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Should i stop yet? you guys get enough sign-ups big Jeff? Let me know.
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Are you for real? Does anything i have said or told you make you think your "deal" with Tucker is valid? You got played by the guy and you are telling me to handle it with him? YOU ARE USING CONTENT THAT TUCKER DOES NOT OWN! how can you say with a straight face that you are ok with that Steve?? I sure on his end of the deal it says he will provide content and updates, has he done any of that? NO, deal is breached. To quote you, that is how business works. Tucker take YOU to court?? How fuckin funny is that!

As far as you paying off a debt for Kinzie, a debt that she didnt owe. You did it to clear your own gain to use Sarah Blake (Littletroublemaker) You were basically extorted by that agent, straight up. Kinzie did not owe him money and you took it upon yourself to pay not to help Kinzie, but just so you could shoot littletroublemaker. Then on top of that you make Kinzie "work it off"?? She didnt ask you to do that man, so that isnt a pro to you.

Funny thing is, is i dont think i've asked for anything as far as money in this thread. Just giving you the facts that you seemed to neglect. Wake up man!
You should be responding to Tuckers post that says he has all the docs he needs from you. I don't know what "magic wand" you want me to wave here!

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Hey Brent (Jimmy) we have a letter of settlement from Kinzie and signed releases which Lightspeed has copies of. Stick to shooting and stay out the business side to which you know nothing about. We have signed releases from you as well on file.

Dude...i dont get you.

Well lookie here, Mr.Tucker. signed releases from me for kinziekenner.com huh? No ya dont fool. Bro ya fucked the deal, and yes I dont know the business you did word for word. because you are notorious for saying one thing then stabbing in the back the next, so yeah you are right> If you have releases on me then i guess i should ask you for a check for all the back pay you owe me, or does Gail need another stable built on her ranch?
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There ya go Steve. I responded. And do me a favor and keep missing the points i make ok? you should run for office, jeez. HE HAS NOTHING! Been saying this foreeeever to your people.
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There ya go Steve. I responded. And do me a favor and keep missing the points i make ok? you should run for office, jeez. HE HAS NOTHING! Been saying this foreeeever to your people.
Fine. You've made your point. And I've been saying FOREVER for Tucker and Jeff/Kinzie to work all this out so I can wash my hands of the whole mess!

I am not going to solve your problems any more than I should have stuck my neck out for Kinzie with her prior agent. I'm so fucking done with models, agents, and photographers from California! You are ALL a bunch of fucking FLAKES. This is my last post in this thread.

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hmmmm.

tucker fucking someone over and making back door engine room deal to fix it.

thats interesting.

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Old 07-05-2005, 07:40 PM   #38
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I think her current design is pretty ugly...
Hey, that hurts my feelings.
Everyone else seems to love it.

Nevertheless, it's converting extremely well. Send some traffic and see for yourself.
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Old 07-05-2005, 07:42 PM   #39
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hey jeff did she get her teeth fixed yet?
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Old 07-05-2005, 07:44 PM   #40
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Fixed? What's wrong with them?

I think they are part of her whole cute, girl next door look.
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Old 07-05-2005, 07:48 PM   #41
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Someone mentioned pics?







And for the record. I shot content on many occasions for Tucker and was always paid the day I shot.
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Old 07-05-2005, 07:55 PM   #42
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Fixed? What's wrong with them?

I think they are part of her whole cute, girl next door look.
Bro, you guys sold out?? I cant believe it. and how come you havent answered my previous question? Just trying to get some green back in her pockets, man. One of us should at least get kickbacks from the debacle. Hit my um on IM or something. ;)
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Old 07-05-2005, 07:58 PM   #43
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All I have to say is wow, what a great affiliate program we have going on over there at KinzieCash.com.

And that's all I have to say about that.
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Old 07-05-2005, 08:00 PM   #44
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Someone mentioned pics?

And for the record. I shot content on many occasions for Tucker and was always paid the day I shot.

You can thank me for getting them to do that, plus you were cheaper than me so they probably could afford it. Why you selling out man, for real? all that shit talking you did on Tucker on KSEX and now he's the greatest guy in the world? Man you are weak. Does Kinzie respect that?
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Old 07-05-2005, 08:02 PM   #45
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whats wrong with her teeth?
i dont know they go like different directions for starters..
just figured if the site was converting and retaining like crazy you could get
invisiline or braces thats really teen.. might pump up the conversions more.
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Old 07-05-2005, 08:08 PM   #46
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You can thank me for getting them to do that, plus you were cheaper than me so they probably could afford it. Why you selling out man, for real? all that shit talking you did on Tucker on KSEX and now he's the greatest guy in the world? Man you are weak. Does Kinzie respect that?
Let's break this down...

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You can thank me for getting them to do that
Thank you for Falcon paying me? Um ok, thanks. I didn't know that you signed the checks.

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Why you selling out man, for real?
Who is selling out what?

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all that shit talking you did on Tucker on KSEX and now he's the greatest guy in the world? Man you are weak. Does Kinzie respect that?
Um, tucker was on KSEX with me several times, I don't recall ever talking shit about him on any occasion. I have had nothing but good business with him.

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Man you are weak. Does Kinzie respect that?
Not even worth a reply... However, my replies keep this thread at the top of GFY and with a great affiliate program like we've got over at KinzieCash.com best to take advantage of a thread like this.
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Old 07-05-2005, 08:10 PM   #47
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whats wrong with her teeth?
i dont know they go like different directions for starters..
just figured if the site was converting and retaining like crazy you could get
invisiline or braces thats really teen.. might pump up the conversions more.
They look good to me. Keep posting to this thread. Please.

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Old 07-05-2005, 08:14 PM   #48
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shes a pretty girl she should get them fixed.
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Old 07-05-2005, 08:17 PM   #49
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Thanks for the bump!
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Old 07-05-2005, 08:19 PM   #50
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no prob put it in the invisiline fund.
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