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WiredGuy 07-05-2005 04:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Socks
WG: Honestly I wouldn't take this lightly, unless you have horrible credit. First, they hardly ever even LET people guarantee a credit card anymore, at most banks anyways. Something they "used to do".

Secondly, didn't they already give you the increase?

Thirdly, they should be OFFERING to raise your limit, not breaking your balls over it. Change banks.


I wish it were that simple to make the switch. Getting a high USD currency credit card is rather difficult. Other than Royal (currently) and TD, your pretty much out of options. And the Royal reward points and insurance plans were better so I went with royal. If I moved my assets away from Royal, I can guarantee you they'd be even more uptight.

WG

WiredGuy 07-05-2005 04:34 PM

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Originally Posted by SilverCash Thurbs
maybe they just want to know where your money is really coming from .... maybe they think ur 100k deposits are on par with a cocaine dealer :)

I'm sure they love seeing TCG's offshore bank checks and wondering what the hell I'm doing :)

WG

Socks 07-05-2005 04:37 PM

Hrm true about the US visas, I tried through CIBC and no dice. We're in the "private wealth management" $2m plus section too. Kinda silly! No US $$ visas. Also can't have a euro $$ bank account

The Other Steve 07-05-2005 04:37 PM

I think Swami probably hit the nail right on the head - plus the fact that you have no credit history.

I seem to remember someone else from Canada had some unusual problems with their bank but it was just a Canadian thing.

And seriously consider what The Shemp said - some good PR (Public Relations not Page Rank) - can go a long way towards getting people to cut corners :2 cents:

Thurbs 07-05-2005 04:38 PM

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Originally Posted by WiredGuy
I'm sure they love seeing TCG's offshore bank checks and wondering what the hell I'm doing :)

WG

maybe u should take Juicy up on his offer and get some banking in Belize

The Bootyologist 07-05-2005 04:39 PM

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Originally Posted by The Other Steve
I think Swami probably hit the nail right on the head - plus the fact that you have no credit history.

I seem to remember someone else from Canada had some unusual problems with their bank but it was just a Canadian thing.

And seriously consider what The Shemp said - some good PR (Public Relations not Page Rank) - can go a long way towards getting people to cut corners :2 cents:


any bank who breaks banking laws for a case of champagne would NOT have my accounts long.

Dalai lama 07-05-2005 04:40 PM

I never got this before

Socks 07-05-2005 04:42 PM

WG, whose the best person / account rep to work with over at TCG?

WiredGuy 07-05-2005 04:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Socks
WG, whose the best person / account rep to work with over at TCG?

Laura Lee.
WG

The Other Steve 07-05-2005 04:45 PM

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Originally Posted by The Bootyologist
any bank who breaks banking laws for a case of champagne would NOT have my accounts long.

It's not about breaking banking laws - it's about establishing some contact with the people.

Banks often have internal rules that can - quite legitimately be bypassed- if someone in the bank at a local level thinks that it is beneficial to the bank to do so.

By establishing himself as an all round nice guy the people at the local level might be prepared to bypass those rules.

It's done all the time - we do it with our bank - be nice to them and they will find ways to return the favour.

It's got nothing to do with breaking banking laws.

woj 07-05-2005 04:45 PM

50........

Giorgio_Xo 07-05-2005 04:45 PM

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Originally Posted by WiredGuy
I don't have established credit. I've never taken a loan or financed anything. Been profitable since incorporating so I never had the need to.
WG

You need to go to a smaller business bank to get better accounts system. They have better experience managing cashflow of small business. I think you have outgrown your current banking relationship. It is unwise to use credit cards on such a large scale, better to use bank letters of credit, wires, etc. You can also hire the bank to collect for you.

WiredGuy 07-05-2005 04:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Giorgio_Xo
You need to go to a smaller business bank to get better accounts system. They have better experience managing cashflow of small business. I think you have outgrown your current banking relationship. It is unwise to use credit cards on such a large scale, better to use bank letters of credit, wires, etc. You can also hire the bank to collect for you.

We only have 5 banks in Canada, numerous branches but they all come down to the big 5. If I could avoid using my credit card so much I would, but much easier than sending out wires or drafts and I get rewards on top of those purchases. And I have a great collections agency, I don't want my bank involved with the collections process.

WG

GTS Mark 07-05-2005 05:02 PM

The only thing I have found with dealing with banks all these years...

Whenever you need money, they will never give it to you...

Whenever you don't need money, they give it to you like it's x-mas ;)

DH

Giorgio_Xo 07-05-2005 05:03 PM

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Originally Posted by WiredGuy
We only have 5 banks in Canada, numerous branches but they all come down to the big 5. If I could avoid using my credit card so much I would, but much easier than sending out wires or drafts and I get rewards on top of those purchases. And I have a great collections agency, I don't want my bank involved with the collections process.

WG

Can you request a private banker to handle your accounts in Canada?

quiet 07-05-2005 05:05 PM

if my bank ever tried to pull that, i'd simply threaten to close my accounts.

swami 07-05-2005 05:06 PM

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Originally Posted by WiredGuy
I don't have established credit. I've never taken a loan or financed anything. Been profitable since incorporating so I never had the need to.
WG

I am in the same boat.half a million AUD in a bank a/c yet I have a credit rating of zero.haha.
I actually use my wifes cc for online purchases.

swami 07-05-2005 05:14 PM

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Originally Posted by WiredGuy
I thought of the 3% discount rate that's typically charged, 1% goes to Visa, 1% goes to banks and the remainder is usually given back as rewards to clients. If that's the case, Visa and my bank should love me for the volume I push through.

WG

WoW!its 16% p.a interest here on CC debts.
Which is why Australian Banks fall over themselves to incease your limits.

Peaches 07-05-2005 05:16 PM

I can see it for a one time thing, but not every year. Then again, I don't have big lines of credit and I have tons of debt :)

Spunky 07-05-2005 05:18 PM

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Originally Posted by SilverCash Thurbs
maybe they just want to know where your money is really coming from .... maybe they think ur 100k deposits are on par with a cocaine dealer :)

Yes,,that is indeed why they ask..money laundering.It is standard banking practice

azguy 07-05-2005 05:19 PM

Solution: www.swiss-bank-accounts.com

JFK 07-05-2005 05:33 PM

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Originally Posted by WiredGuy
But a house is not a secured loan. I have a high credit card limit on the company account but I have paid it in full every month for 4 years and I gave up the equivalent maximum in the form of a GIC to secure it. I just find it odd that the bank wants to know my financials on a regular basis.

WG

did you sign over the GIC to them ? or is just held at the bank ?

I would tell them to whistle, tell them to go on your track record for the past 4 yrs.You can always switch over to another bank which will gladly take over your existing credit card balance. You are Not asking for a business loan so they have no right to any of the info :2 cents:

Beejeebers 07-05-2005 05:42 PM

Hate to break it to ya, but you're under survelliance by the powers that be.

Here's the deal. You make a lot, (probably an understatement), of money from a relatively UNKNOWN source, (to the bank business world). In the banking world, you fall under "suspicious activity". They want you to PROVE where the money is coming from so they know you are not laundering money. I guarantee the RCMP has a file on you and are watching your transactions like a hawk. Bascially they're covering their asses just in case it turns out you're laundering drug or terrorist money.

I've been through the training for this and this is a perfect example. One thing to note is if an employee at the bank tells you that you are under survelliance, they could be fired. BUT I guarantee you this is the situation. You can change banks if you want. But it won't change the fact that you make too much money from a relatively unknown or should I say, misunderstood source. That = suspicious activity and that = WG being watched. The good news is as long as you keep your nose clean, nothing will happen.

Overall nothing but standard procedure. This occurs in Canada AND the U.S. (The u.s. is even more paranoid, rightly so)

Gottis 07-05-2005 05:49 PM

In other words, he's fucked. :disgust

Juicy D. Links 07-05-2005 05:58 PM

Bank OF JDl In Belize

WiredGuy 07-05-2005 06:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DrinkingLight
The only thing I have found with dealing with banks all these years...

Whenever you need money, they will never give it to you...

Whenever you don't need money, they give it to you like it's x-mas ;)

DH

I have come to the same conclusion.
WG

WiredGuy 07-05-2005 06:16 PM

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Originally Posted by quiet
if my bank ever tried to pull that, i'd simply threaten to close my accounts.

Have you ever taken out a lot of credit or loans on your company before? I'm rather curious if this is normal practice for CDN banks.
WG

WiredGuy 07-05-2005 06:18 PM

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Originally Posted by JFK
did you sign over the GIC to them ? or is just held at the bank ?

It is signed as a General Security Agreement, like a mortgage, if I default, they can seize it.
WG

WiredGuy 07-05-2005 06:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Beejeebers
Hate to break it to ya, but you're under survelliance by the powers that be.

Here's the deal. You make a lot, (probably an understatement), of money from a relatively UNKNOWN source, (to the bank business world). In the banking world, you fall under "suspicious activity". They want you to PROVE where the money is coming from so they know you are not laundering money. I guarantee the RCMP has a file on you and are watching your transactions like a hawk. Bascially they're covering their asses just in case it turns out you're laundering drug or terrorist money.

I've been through the training for this and this is a perfect example. One thing to note is if an employee at the bank tells you that you are under survelliance, they could be fired. BUT I guarantee you this is the situation. You can change banks if you want. But it won't change the fact that you make too much money from a relatively unknown or should I say, misunderstood source. That = suspicious activity and that = WG being watched. The good news is as long as you keep your nose clean, nothing will happen.

Overall nothing but standard procedure. This occurs in Canada AND the U.S. (The u.s. is even more paranoid, rightly so)


So this is considered normal practice for my bank to make such a request? I wouldn't be surprised if I'm under watch by the CCRA (I was fully investigated for 2 years during an audit), but I can't forsee the RCMP doing the same.

WG

pxxx 07-05-2005 06:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Juicy D. Links
tell em to eat a cock.

and also to blow you.

Sometimes the ugly response works a lot better.

Sly 07-05-2005 06:41 PM

Charles I'm having problems with my bank right now, too. They claim that they want to eliminate a good chunk of the paperwork involved with my account so they're switching me to "direct deposit" only. Yeh fuckin' right, I'm taking my checks elsewhere.

WiredGuy 07-05-2005 06:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Sly
Charles I'm having problems with my bank right now, too. They claim that they want to eliminate a good chunk of the paperwork involved with my account so they're switching me to "direct deposit" only. Yeh fuckin' right, I'm taking my checks elsewhere.

They won't cash your checks?
WG

swami 07-05-2005 06:52 PM

Charles why don't you and I and maybe a couple of others become partners in a bank in Vanuatu?
it only needs $500,000 to become a bank here.
http://www.pkfvanuatu.com.vu/taxfree_banking.html
then you can have all the credit you want.

WiredGuy 07-05-2005 07:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by swami
Charles why don't you and I and maybe a couple of others become partners in a bank in Vanuatu?
it only needs $500,000 to become a bank here.
http://www.pkfvanuatu.com.vu/taxfree_banking.html
then you can have all the credit you want.

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WG

swami 07-05-2005 07:56 PM

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Originally Posted by WiredGuy
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Beejeebers 07-05-2005 08:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by WiredGuy
So this is considered normal practice for my bank to make such a request? I wouldn't be surprised if I'm under watch by the CCRA (I was fully investigated for 2 years during an audit), but I can't forsee the RCMP doing the same.

WG

Yep it's normal. The RCMP is more like the enforcer but they do keep tabs. The real government agency, (in canada), is Fintrac, located here:

http://www.fintrac.gc.ca/intro_e.asp

You're not in trouble, it is standard procedure. But someone at the bank DID file a suspicious activity report on you in the past.

WiredGuy 07-05-2005 09:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Beejeebers
Yep it's normal. The RCMP is more like the enforcer but they do keep tabs. The real government agency, (in canada), is Fintrac, located here:

http://www.fintrac.gc.ca/intro_e.asp

You're not in trouble, it is standard procedure. But someone at the bank DID file a suspicious activity report on you in the past.


So what was so suspicious that set them off? Its not like its anything I could have prevented.
WG

WarChild 07-05-2005 09:29 PM

Maybe they want to make sure you're not laundering money and you're actually paying taxes? Sounds odd to me though.

slapass 07-05-2005 10:07 PM

Help yourself with a few things. Get a second card and start building it up. I understand where you are coming from. My mainstream business runs a huge monthly visa charge and it freaks banks out even though I keep a positive balance to avoid any business interruptions. I had to send tax statements to my credit card company.

I would set up to deliver it personally. ask if it is an every year thing. Can he help you out etc. Let him set up some other account for you or an added feature. Develop a relationship. You are a big dog and they know it. They just need to know why.

WiredGuy 07-05-2005 10:22 PM

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Originally Posted by slapass
Help yourself with a few things. Get a second card and start building it up. I understand where you are coming from. My mainstream business runs a huge monthly visa charge and it freaks banks out even though I keep a positive balance to avoid any business interruptions. I had to send tax statements to my credit card company.

I would set up to deliver it personally. ask if it is an every year thing. Can he help you out etc. Let him set up some other account for you or an added feature. Develop a relationship. You are a big dog and they know it. They just need to know why.

I kind of already have this. I have 2 USD Visa's, I have a mutual fund account, savings, checking, and GIC's all with the bank. My manager is saying the financial statements is necessary due to the high credit limit so it seems I don't have much I can do about it.

WG


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