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baddog 07-03-2005 02:01 PM

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Originally Posted by johndoebob
Have you ever worked with russian webmasters? I don't think so...


Don't ask questions you do not know the answer to. Yes, I have several Russian affiliates, and one of my Sys Admins is Russian. What is your point?

I have also had many Russian affiliates that did nothing but try to scam the system. My program does not ban countries, but I do ban webmasters, and sorry to say, a majority of them have been from the former Soviet bloc.

They say one bad apple spoils the barrel, and unfortunately for the honest Russian webmasters, there have been many barrels spoiled.

Why do you think so many programs will not deal with Russia except on an individual basis? You think Reagan brainwashed all of them to not like Russians or something?

andrej_NDC 07-03-2005 02:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Temp1
You have 10% declines on new sales with ccbill? From my experience, it's closer to 30% with ccbill (no cascading).

ccbill US or ccbill EU? and you have to look closer at those denials, many of those who got declined come through few seconds after with a different card, etc

Juicy D. Links 07-03-2005 02:19 PM

I can send you 100's more aff.

I am JUicy. PR Extradoodinaire.

andrej_NDC 07-03-2005 02:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Juicy D. Links
I can send you 100's more aff.

I am JUicy. PR Extradoodinaire.

I know you can. :winkwink:

johndoebob 07-03-2005 02:34 PM

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Originally Posted by baddog
Don't ask questions you do not know the answer to. Yes, I have several Russian affiliates, and one of my Sys Admins is Russian. What is your point?

That you're saying "you're asking for trouble". Russian boards just allow legit business talk and some of the best business partners I have are russians.

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I have also had many Russian affiliates that did nothing but try to scam the system. My program does not ban countries, but I do ban webmasters, and sorry to say, a majority of them have been from the former Soviet bloc.
If you check each new affiliate and those who generate signups it's not that hard to weed out those who try to fuck you over.

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They say one bad apple spoils the barrel, and unfortunately for the honest Russian webmasters, there have been many barrels spoiled.

Why do you think so many programs will not deal with Russia except on an individual basis? You think Reagan brainwashed all of them to not like Russians or something?
General prejudice build up by bigger companies who couldn't screen affiliates in the earlier days of affiliate programs or didn't think it's worthwhile.

baddog 07-03-2005 02:40 PM

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Originally Posted by johndoebob
If you check each new affiliate and those who generate signups it's not that hard to weed out those who try to fuck you over.


Maybe if you have 100 affiliates, but you can not spend all day trying to track down every site that every affilaite has up, especially when they start "laundering" their traffic (another good use of the T3Report).

Frank The Tank 07-03-2005 02:41 PM

Looks like u need an affiliate manager to go and work the other 50-60% into an excitable fever to promote your sites

iv@n 07-03-2005 02:48 PM

Keep up the good work man! :thumbsup
:1orglaugh

andrej_NDC 07-03-2005 02:49 PM

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Originally Posted by basadmin
Looks like u need an affiliate manager to go and work the other 50-60% into an excitable fever to promote your sites

I dont think there is a program out there with 100% active affiliates, thats most probably impossible. :)

Temp1 07-03-2005 02:55 PM

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Originally Posted by andrej_NDC
ccbill US or ccbill EU? and you have to look closer at those denials, many of those who got declined come through few seconds after with a different card, etc

CCbill US. And let me analyze those decline stats, see what percentage to get through with a different card. I can't imagine 2/3rds but interesting to see.

woj 07-03-2005 02:55 PM

50......,.

Temp1 07-03-2005 02:57 PM

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Originally Posted by baddog
Maybe if you have 100 affiliates, but you can not spend all day trying to track down every site that every affilaite has up, especially when they start "laundering" their traffic (another good use of the T3Report).

Hey baddog, can you explain what you mean by 'laundering traffic'?

Frank The Tank 07-03-2005 03:03 PM

well im sure someone working for you could def increase the amount actually working the program .. thats a choice for all program owners to make and no im not putting myself forward its just an opinion

pradaboy 07-03-2005 03:09 PM

You're doing an excellent job Andrej

johndoebob 07-03-2005 03:09 PM

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Originally Posted by baddog
Maybe if you have 100 affiliates, but you can not spend all day trying to track down every site that every affilaite has up, especially when they start "laundering" their traffic (another good use of the T3Report).

Ever used NATS or Executive Stats? If you don't have time checking new affiliates / affiliates with first signups you probably should change the business :winkwink:

An alternative to T3 Report:

http://www.google.com/search?q=link%...en-US:official

http://www.rustybrick.com/link_analysis.php

But all of it isn't very useful if the traffic originates from TGPs or CJs with trading scripts.

baddog 07-03-2005 03:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Temp1
Hey baddog, can you explain what you mean by 'laundering traffic'?


Sure. It is a major cause of chargebacks.

Say you own www.sponsorprogram.com that is a teen site.

You have an affiliate that is promoting you via www.hissite.com Everything looks nice on his site, and he makes a lot of signups, but gets an inordinate number of chargebacks, or trials that never convert.

It could be that said affiliate also owns www.launderingsite.com and on that site they are targeting pedos by saying things like, "go to www.hissite.com, and click the link to www.sponsorprogram.com where you will find all the KP content. Once you are a member you will find what you desire on page 10."

That is just one example, I am sure you can build your own scenarios from there.

The point is that www.sponsorprogram.com does not have what is being promised to the surfer, but the owner doesn't have any way of knowing this because www.launderingsite.com is not linked to him, and there is nothing on www.hissite.com to tip them off that there might be a problem.

Another scenario might be that on www.launderingsite.com they are telling the surfer to go to www.hissite.com and sign up to www.sponsorprogram.com but be sure to cancel the trial right away, and they can get access to www.sponsorprogram.com and 10 other sites for free.

$5 submissions 07-03-2005 03:24 PM

I would think it totally depends on what % of that number actually send QUALITY converting traffic.

baddog 07-03-2005 03:29 PM

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Originally Posted by johndoebob
Ever used NATS or Executive Stats? If you don't have time checking new affiliates / affiliates with first signups you probably should change the business :winkwink:

An alternative to T3 Report:

http://www.google.com/search?q=link%...en-US:official

http://www.rustybrick.com/link_analysis.php

But all of it isn't very useful if the traffic originates from TGPs or CJs with trading scripts.


Okay, first off, it is apparent that you do not understand, or just have not visited T3Report.

Allow me to explain.

#1 While I like NATS a lot, it is only going to tell you where your sales are coming from. I think all program owners already know this. T3Report. will give you all of your linking relationships, not just the ones sending you traffic and/or sales.

#2. You have suggested using Google. There are a couple problems with this. The first being that Google will only give you the first 1,000 results, and they do not verify their links. T3Report. gives you all the links, and verifies then before sending you your monthly report.

Let's use Google to see how many links they show for sleazydream.com - Results 1 - 10 of about 59 linking to www.sleazydream.com - I think we both know that isn't right.

Let's see what T3Report finds: 602 unique domains, 23,566 backlinks, and 1,117 external links, and that was just what was found as of three months ago.

Now, besides showing all the backlinks, T3Report will show you all of the sites linked to them (thus the 3 - Starting URL, those linking to that URL, and those linking to them) as well as the linking relationship (if any) between level 1 and 3.

Now, take into consideration that you get an updated report every month for a year, all for just $349. Does your time have any value at all? Would you rather spend your time trying to track down all these affiliates, or would you rather use the time helping them promote your program?

Temp1 07-03-2005 03:32 PM

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Originally Posted by baddog
Sure. It is a major cause of chargebacks.

Say you own www.sponsorprogram.com that is a teen site.

You have an affiliate that is promoting you via www.hissite.com Everything looks nice on his site, and he makes a lot of signups, but gets an inordinate number of chargebacks, or trials that never convert.

It could be that said affiliate also owns www.launderingsite.com and on that site they are targeting pedos by saying things like, "go to www.hissite.com, and click the link to www.sponsorprogram.com where you will find all the KP content. Once you are a member you will find what you desire on page 10."

That is just one example, I am sure you can build your own scenarios from there.

The point is that www.sponsorprogram.com does not have what is being promised to the surfer, but the owner doesn't have any way of knowing this because www.launderingsite.com is not linked to him, and there is nothing on www.hissite.com to tip them off that there might be a problem.

Another scenario might be that on www.launderingsite.com they are telling the surfer to go to www.hissite.com and sign up to www.sponsorprogram.com but be sure to cancel the trial right away, and they can get access to www.sponsorprogram.com and 10 other sites for free.

Ah got it, thanks. Scammers... :disgust

johndoebob 07-03-2005 03:52 PM

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Originally Posted by baddog
Let's see what T3Report finds: 602 unique domains, 23,566 backlinks, and 1,117 external links, and that was just what was found as of three months ago.

Let's see what yahoo finds http://search.yahoo.com/search?p=lin...b-t&fl=0&x=wrt

baddog 07-03-2005 04:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Temp1
Ah got it, thanks. Scammers... :disgust


Who else would launder?

baddog 07-03-2005 04:07 PM

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Originally Posted by johndoebob


okay, so now how do you find where those sites get their traffic? and even if Yahoo has 41,000 results, they are only going to show you the first 1,000. T3Report verifies, and shows them all

Here is the original T3Report that was done on my AVS system when the T3Report first came out.

You never did answer my question as to whether or not your time had any value, so I am going to presume it doesn't if you think you can research 1,000 URL's and not use $349 worth or your time.

baddog 07-03-2005 04:13 PM

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Originally Posted by johndoebob


I would be remiss in not pointing out that as I stated, the results I gave you were from 3 months ago. The subscription to T3Report is for a year, with an updated report coming every month. The spiders keep finding new sites, and Yahoo has been around a little longer than T3Report has been spidering SleazyDream.com

johndoebob 07-03-2005 04:34 PM

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Originally Posted by baddog
okay, so now how do you find where those sites get their traffic? and even if Yahoo has 41,000 results, they are only going to show you the first 1,000. T3Report verifies, and shows them all.

I just need to know the number of results.

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You never did answer my question as to whether or not your time had any value, so I am going to presume it doesn't if you think you can research 1,000 URL's and not use $349 worth or your time.
For those who need that kind of research it's worth the money, my research needs are a bit different.

Btw. :winkwink:

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Link Analysis Report
Report created on 2005-07-03 19:16:02
Tested: Backlinks, PageRank, Anchor Text, Page Titles, IP Addresses, Link Ratios and relevent pages.

Summary Stats
You have a total of 42 backlinks.
Page Tested: http://www.sexpicturespass.com
IP Address: 67.28.119.66
Your PR: 3
Your Backlinks: 42
# of Links Analyzed: 47
You have apx. 5 image links and 78 text links.
9 of those backlinks are internal.
38 of those backlinks are external.
29 of those backlinks are from your C class - specifically domain(s): (www.whitecheech.com, bbs.sexpicturespass.com, www.sexpicturespass.com)
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PageRank Statistics
The following statistics are based on the pagerank values of all your backlinks.

PR Count Percent %
0 4 8.51%
1 15 31.91%
2 26 55.32%
3 2 4.26%


Your PR MEAN: 1.5532
Your PR MIN: 0
Your PR MAX: 3
Your PR MEDIAN: 1.50
Your PR STDDEV: 0.7089
Your PR MODE: 0
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Domain Summary
Domain # of Links IP PR
www.whitecheech.com 16 67.28.119.113 [3]

www.sexpicturespass.com 9 67.28.119.66 [3]

www.naughtywitch.com 6 207.36.159.217 [3]

www.adultsem.com 5 8.15.0.24 [3]

bbs.sexpicturespass.com 4 67.28.119.66 [2]

kblogger.com 4 38.117.31.105 [3]

www.sexasseenontv.com 2 8.15.0.91 [2]

www.adultnetsurprise.com 1 66.154.9.99 [5]
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Link Anchor Text
Phrase #
IMG none 32
IMG none 15
IMG none 11
IMG none 8
IMG none 5
IMG none 4
IMG none 3
IMG none 3
IMG none 1
IMG none 1

baddog 07-03-2005 04:40 PM

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Originally Posted by johndoebob
I just need to know the number of results.


For those who need that kind of research it's worth the money, my research needs are a bit different.

Btw. :winkwink:


#1. I have no idea why you think the number of results is important, that isn't going to help a program owner much.

As far as your second comment, it only shows you how inadequate the tool you are using is, when you consider that there are about 9,000 individual sites that have links to Sex Pictures Pass via login boxes.

johndoebob 07-03-2005 04:45 PM

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okay, so now how do you find where those sites get their traffic?
For TGPs / CJs you check the trades, for linklists and general sites you check number of backlinks, for SEOs you check the number of indexed sites, backlinks, PR related informations and search results.

johndoebob 07-03-2005 04:48 PM

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Originally Posted by baddog
#1. I have no idea why you think the number of results is important, that isn't going to help a program owner much.

To see if a site is actually etablished.

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As far as your second comment, it only shows you how inadequate the tool you are using is, when you consider that there are about 9,000 individual sites that have links to Sex Pictures Pass via login boxes.
This is only google pagerank related, I don't care about login boxes.

baddog 07-03-2005 04:48 PM

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Originally Posted by johndoebob
For TGPs / CJs you check the trades, for linklists and general sites you check number of backlinks, for SEOs you check the number of indexed sites, backlinks, PR related informations and search results.


Again, your time has no value. Mine does, so if I don't respond to you for a while, I am sure you will understand.

Paparazzi 07-03-2005 04:52 PM

nice numbers andrej :thumbsup

pornguy 07-03-2005 04:55 PM

Damn good thing I am wearing boots.

ry0t 07-03-2005 04:57 PM

You got something nice going there keep up the good work.

johndoebob 07-03-2005 05:04 PM

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Originally Posted by baddog
Again, your time has no value. Mine does, so if I don't respond to you for a while, I am sure you will understand.

My research actually helps me more than looking at quite abstract linking informations and doesn't really take much longer.

Yes my time has no value but your time has enough value to make 27,746 posts :winkwink:

tranza 07-03-2005 05:32 PM

Man, this turned out to be a GREAT thread!

spooky181 07-03-2005 06:03 PM

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Originally Posted by andrej_NDC
60% of all active ones

Wow you have 400 active affiliates of which 60% send more than 10 sales each per day thats over 2400 joins a day assuming you get around $10 per sale thats $24,000 per day $720,000 per month.

You are the biggest sponsor there is.... :thumbsup

Alice22 07-03-2005 06:14 PM

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Originally Posted by spooky181
Wow you have 400 active affiliates of which 60% send more than 10 sales each per day thats over 2400 joins a day assuming you get around $10 per sale thats $24,000 per day $720,000 per month.

You are the biggest sponsor there is.... :thumbsup

He didn't say 10 sales...:)
10 clicks...

spooky181 07-03-2005 06:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Alice22
He didn't say 10 sales...:)
10 clicks...

:Oh crap So hes the smallest sponsor there is... :thumbsup

marec 07-03-2005 11:52 PM

thumbs up andrej !
keep good work ! :winkwink:

we all know you can do that !

andrej_NDC 07-04-2005 03:10 AM

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Originally Posted by spooky181
:Oh crap So hes the smallest sponsor there is... :thumbsup

you would be surprised :winkwink:

andrej_NDC 07-04-2005 03:10 AM

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Originally Posted by marec
thumbs up andrej !
keep good work ! :winkwink:

we all know you can do that !

thanks :)

andrej_NDC 07-04-2005 03:12 AM

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Originally Posted by spooky181
Wow you have 400 active affiliates of which 60% send more than 10 sales each per day thats over 2400 joins a day assuming you get around $10 per sale thats $24,000 per day $720,000 per month.

You are the biggest sponsor there is.... :thumbsup

..and a sponsor with 2400 daily sales is far from beeing the number 1


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