Update.

I got $32 back from paypal, I guess that's all the MX guys had in their account.


Yipee

These guys are long known scammers. Stay up on current happenings. This should have been no secret to you.

What?? What was the $32 supposedly for? and how did they explain that they were only returning your 32 out of/400 owed to you?

Yeah, well, sooo...here is the latest with us, Chris emailed me from another account saying that his name was Rob, and that "Chris" would be out of town for month and he ("Rob") was handling my account, yeah right....and trying to explain where he has been for the past months and made excuses for why he ripped me off (around 10K and counting now), that my product is ready etc etc etc ..So I emailed him back and told him what I thought about him, and he disappeared again, no returned money, no product....fucking scamming piece of shit. :mad: :mad: :mad:

He can run but he can't hide............

yup :warning

OK, point of clarification for everyone else...

What are all of you selling this non-compliant system as so people know who and what?

edit - Lenny2, I can prolly help you make more back as a reseller of a COMPLIANT and popular solution. Let me know, admin|@|2257ware|.|com .

Huh?????

Do any of you have a clue as to how many times and how may other people are selling this NON-COMPLIANT script?

What don't you undersatnd? The script is not-compliant and frowned upon due to the client/server model. Further, as sold to people it has NO support from the developer.

Why not be honest? Client/Server applications are not acceptable by the DOJ or 2257 lawyers.

For the record I think Lenny2 is a good guy who got fucked over by some greedy programmers. You all would be surprised at how many people are trying to sell this NON-COMPLIANT SCRIPT (key word SCRIPT).

50.......,. :)

Thank you, Partner :winkwink:

Whoever mxwhatever is, that script is being sold under several names now, and NONE of them are REMOTELY compliant. If anyone involved in this script is a lawyer, shame on you, big big time.

What I don't understand is the no one is selling software -which is why this post was made in the first place.

Read from the beginning.

We were the first to create 2257 software back in August 2004 evidenced by several AVN and Xbiz articles. Yes it was server based and it was written for the proposed regulations.

Due to the final regulations, we hired mx to rewrite our existing program to comply with the new regulations, as they differed from the proposed. It was not server based, but rather downloadable to Windows, MacOS and Unix.

Mx left with our money, and despite an exclusive contract to build 2257 software has been selling and creating nonworkable, noncompliant program to others. Also, scamming them, Lenny included which is why he posted this in the first place.

GenX law is not selling software, and if we were it would be compliant - I do know the law, thank you.

Also, I have sent several customers that were waiting for our version to your Website - bc I could not help them. So before you attack us as being noncompliant, please get the facts straight. We are not the enemy here, but rather on the other side of a scam.

You scamming fucks remind me of crows diving in for a feed on the side of the road. What will you do when people find out this script is NOT COMPLIANT? Refund? Say you are sorry? WTF are you going to do?

These people who trusted you could end up IN JAIL. Does that mean anything to you? Does that make your pockets feel fatter? Do you feel better as a company now, knowing people could go to PRISON for using your NON COMPLIANT script?

Close to everything you have typed here is bullshit. How does that feel? You going to pay for people's bail when they get locked up for using your non-compliant and overused script?

Further, you DO NOT KNOW the law, hence you would not be trying to sell a script that could land people IN JAIL.

This is the time to come out and be honest and fair.

Fuck you for claiming you are not selling non-compliant software, I have been sent links to your crap for weeks.

You are tripping, or are not reading or something.

We are not selling software, nor have we sold ONE freaking program.

All we wanted was a program that was compliant and worked for everyone...we never got that program bc MX fucked us.

Emails constantly came in asking us for a program after the final regulations were passed and we did not have one.

We have sent customers to your site, and Komply and never asked for a dime. Ask Trevor is we are scammers, I send him emails of customers that contact me wanting software - bc I don't have no sell anything.

Pick you enemy - it is not us that is for sure.

Please, yes our site is still up bc this whole time we have been waiting for software for mx. When people email us we send them elsewhere.

Actually I was only owed $280, the amount of my deposit.

I guess $32 is all MX had in their paypal account, so that's what I got. Better than nothing I guess.

Newbreed, I'll deal with your comments in my next post.

Again, you are lying. You had this SAME script up on your site for weeks as a solution, a NON-COMPLIANT script. Want me to post links or screentshots of you trying to push this script? FFS, all someone has to do is run a Google search, the links lead to your domain. Explain that....

Gee, why is that? Could it be because the script fom MX could land people IN JAIL?

Looking forward to it :)

Maybe it was an honest mistake???? A human error?? They meant to get it done I am sure.


I'll have to hear both sides of this story before I can decide who to believe.

In Lenny's case I agree, I thnk he got boned on this.

Calling him out about sending you 32 dollars??? Didn't you scorn someone for doing something similar???


not trolling you btw. just read your thread I found it ironic is all. I'll go back to the bucket now.

That is right! - and not that I have anything to prove to you, but below is just want example of me sending customers your way bc we are not selling software bc why? mx fucked us...and why you are attacking me is beyond me....next time I would advise you to get your facts straight.



Thank you for the info. I am sorry to hear your programmer flaked out on you.



Sincerely, Sammy


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From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]]
Sent: Wednesday, June 08, 2005 4:51 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: 2257 register?

Sammy:


I do apologize but I have somewhat of a strange situation.

The last time I heard from mxdevelopment, my software developers was last Thursday.

The owner informed me that he hired some extra employees for this project, and that everything would be complete yesterday (June 7).

However, I have not heard from him since last Thursday.

Therefore, because I don't know when he plans on showing up, I do not want to keep you or any other customers waiting, due to the June 23rd deadline.

Here is the web site for one of our competitors.

Home - 2257ware.com

Although, I am not aware of the quality of their product, I have been told that they have a free version of 2257 software, that will get the job done.

Sorry for any inconvenience:


In a message dated 6/8/2005 12:28:46 PM Pacific Standard Time, [email protected] writes:

Hello Candice,


Has there been a new release date set or will this program be available in the next couple of days. Don?t mean to pester, I just have a lot of work I need to do between now and June 23rd and this program is what I need to do it.


Sincerely, Sammy

Newbreed......first of all, you're not an attorney, and everyone's business is different, so you can't say for sure whether anyone is or isn't compliant.

Now moving on.
We have had two prominent first amendment attorneys review our records and both have said that the online database alone is enough for compliance in our particular situation.
Our situation being that of a non disclosed secondary producer, which is 100% permissible according to the new regulations. (If you don't know what that is, talk to your attorney)

However, IF we were a primary producer or a disclosed secondary producer we could still be compliant with this software, because it does export the records to a local .csv file.
That csv file on a hard drive along with digital copies of model id's and copies of the depictions is a scheme that can be 100% compliant with the new regs.
It may not be as easy as some other solutions out there, but it can still work.

What we were trying to hire MX to do was make this easier by being able to export the online data to a local access database, where the copies of the IDs could be located inside the database so everything was nice, neat, and in one place.
Like I said before, we're still compliant, it's just more of a pain in the ass the way it's being done now.

Obviously you're just in here trying to spam your shit and scaring people into thinking they're going to go to jail if they don't have your software. And you're bashing Gen X law who has yet to sell one copy of this software. You should back the fuck off and peddle your shit elsewhere.

Also for the record, you don't NEED ANY software to be 2257 compliant.

Alot of people are just using a spreadsheet and keeping digital copies of ID documents on CD or whatever.

You also don't HAVE to do it digitally. You could use index cards to keep track of everything, using the old library system where they kept track of books by Title, Author, and Subject, and everything was cross referenced, all on index cards without a single computer being involved.

Now I'm not saying anyone would WANT to do it that way, but it can be done without anyone's 2257 software.

GenX, with all do respect, we never recieved any kind of mail from you ref. this. If you have refered people, you could have let us know, and we would have made it right.

. And you're bashing Gen X law who has yet to sell one copy of this software. You should back the fuck off and peddle your shit elsewhere.[/QUOTE]


Thanks Lenny. Much appreciated!!! There is nothing better than getting ripped off and then accused of some random shit by a 3rd party.

Oh man get over yourself, you're comparing apples to pickup trucks.

I paid for a service that wasn't rendered, got no response from the people I bought the service from, and requested a refund.

Trying to compare this to the Karups/NA drama is utterly ridiculous.

We didnt let you know that we referred people, because at that stage in the came it was not about a few pennies, but rather making sure that everyone was compliant. But thank you, I accept your apology.

No, I am not an attorney, but common sense prevails here with this new set of regs.


Now then...

"Now moving on.
We have had two prominent first amendment attorneys review our records and both have said that the online database alone is enough for compliance in our particular situation. "

Your lawyers need to keep up with the reality of the law as posted in the federal register as well as what the FSC lawyers are saying.

Want me to go on???

Point is, the solution you spoke was NOT COMPLIANT, so why should we not expose them?

Should of sent me an e-mail, we are THE ONLY compliant system out there right now. An affiliate program will be done later today, so shoot me an e-mail to [email protected] and I will hook you guys up. :)

Yeah I should listen to you instead of the pair of $350/hour attornies we hired. Ok, sure.

Also who are you exposing? Gen X law who now owns the program is not selling it, because the changes to it couldn't be made in order for it to be compliant in their opinion.
The only people you could possibly be exposing is the people who actually sold this software, MXdevelopment. Everyone who has read this thread now knows that they are crooks, so the only thing you're doing in here is trying to sell your shit by making Gen X look bad, when they've done nothing wrong.

Lenny2 , I like you alot.

But my jumping to this conclusion is based on what I read. I am not one of the two parties involved, and I should have kept my mouth shut and opinion to myself. because not being one of the two participants means I don't have all the relavant information. So you are probably right here. As I said I'll go away now and mind my own business.

Just remember when you ask for your refund be nice, or they probably won't give it to you. Or better yet maybe they will give you the software, and do your updates for free.

As stated we were screwed, and we will continue to send customers to other 2257 programs, including yours bc we have nothing. So yes, you are welcome. And it would be nice if you recanted your bashing statements on the post you made that GENX Law is full of shit.

Regards.