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Old 06-25-2005, 08:57 AM   #1
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2257: Touching or cupping boobs.. sexually explicit?

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Old 06-25-2005, 09:15 AM   #2
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good question - but nobody has an answer for that and cannot have an answer to that. to some i am sure touching/cupping boobs is a sexually explicit act.
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Old 06-25-2005, 09:19 AM   #3
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good question - but nobody has an answer for that and cannot have an answer to that. to some i am sure touching/cupping boobs is a sexually explicit act.
There have been a few notable mainstream publications that have had women on the cover covering their naked breasts, or even had a man's hands covering them.
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hmm..... showing a baby drinking milk from the mother, most natural thing in the world. would probably not be illegal. BUT showing a grown up man doing the same could send you to jail... if it is violation of 2257
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Old 06-25-2005, 10:16 AM   #5
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As long as the nipples are covered it could not be considered explicit.
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Old 06-25-2005, 10:20 AM   #6
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Any insight?

rather than quoting 2256 definiition of sexually explicit over and over, i will answer with the simple and more colorful answer:

sexually explicit = any depiction of actual activity of people sticking things into any part of the body.

so cupping boobs doesn't require 2257

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Old 06-25-2005, 10:26 AM   #7
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rather than quoting 2256 definiition of sexually explicit over and over, i will answer with the simple and more colorful answer:

sexually explicit = any depiction of actual activity of people sticking things into any part of the body.

so cupping boobs doesn't require 2257

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I was told that spread shots (no insertion) are considered sexually explicit and require 2257.
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Old 06-25-2005, 10:27 AM   #8
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I was told that spread shots (no insertion) are considered sexually explicit and require 2257.

2256 has the lacivious part, which would cover your example, but new regulations strike out that part.

new regs mention 'actual' sex, not simulated.. and still follows my generalized summary of not having anything sticking into anyone.


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Old 06-25-2005, 10:33 AM   #9
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rather than quoting 2256 definiition of sexually explicit over and over, i will answer with the simple and more colorful answer:

sexually explicit = any depiction of actual activity of people sticking things into any part of the body.

so cupping boobs doesn't require 2257

Fight the Clarifications!
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i might be gay.
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Old 06-25-2005, 10:33 AM   #10
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We were told it IS "sexual"

We do live video chat. We were advised by legal counsel that showing a boob, even pubic hair, is non-explicit or whatever.

But for example our chat hostesses can not do hand-bras. This is considered sexual touching, though that can cavort topless.

I am SO glad they are protecting the children... geeze.
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Old 06-25-2005, 10:33 AM   #11
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good question - but nobody has an answer for that and cannot have an answer to that. to some i am sure touching/cupping boobs is a sexually explicit act.
I think so. I wouldn't take the chance..
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Old 06-25-2005, 10:37 AM   #12
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I think so. I wouldn't take the chance..

the vagueness in definitions is understandable, especially if MILF type content is being asked to provide 2257 documenation

so while you could argue with the DOJ inspectors that the model is clearly over 18, the law does allow for inspection of ANY model records that are "sexuallly explicit".

So even having granny models that are sticking things into them, you still have to have 2257 documentation, and still have to answer their inquiries.



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Old 06-25-2005, 10:39 AM   #13
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Old 06-25-2005, 11:03 AM   #14
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2256 has the lacivious part, which would cover your example, but new regulations strike out that part.

new regs mention 'actual' sex, not simulated.. and still follows my generalized summary of not having anything sticking into anyone.


fight the dictionary!
actually it mentions 'genital contact' - so a girl spreading her lips with her fingers would probably be considered that regardless of if she's sticking anything in or not
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Old 06-25-2005, 11:12 AM   #15
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2256 has the lacivious part, which would cover your example, but new regulations strike out that part.

new regs mention 'actual' sex, not simulated.. and still follows my generalized summary of not having anything sticking into anyone.


fight the dictionary!
you said the new regs strike out that part and presumably the "simulated sexual conduct" part.

do you have the link to this? if it is not shown or defined in 2256, and we rely on the definition in 2256 where is it stated otherwise?

http://frwebgate.access.gpo.gov/cgi-...ite:+18USC2256

Sec. 2256. Definitions for chapter

For the purposes of this chapter, the term--
(1) ``minor'' means any person under the age of eighteen years;
(2) ``sexually explicit conduct'' means actual or simulated--
(A) sexual intercourse, including genital-genital, oral-
genital, anal-genital, or oral-anal, whether between persons of
the same or opposite sex;
(B) bestiality;
(C) masturbation;
(D) sadistic or masochistic abuse; or
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Old 06-25-2005, 11:12 AM   #16
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It's ridiculous that naked boobies were considered 'going too far' but right under that message, there's a link to rotten.com. Naked boobies worse than that shit?
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Old 06-25-2005, 11:23 AM   #17
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I'm goina post a few examples here to see what you guys think, yes I know I would be better of talking to a alwyer but even they don't know what the DOJ is targeting 100%. Each lawyer has a different view on everything. That's what scares me.

lets use badgirlbuks's newest girl for example,, she's damn hot too!

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3rd thumb. She's touching her nipple. This could be viewed as sexual explicit since it's ina sexual nature.

http://www.mandymichaels.com/galleri...php?affiliate=
Second last thumb. She's just covering them. nothign sexual about it.

http://www.mandymichaels.com/galleri...php?affiliate=
2nd last thumb, open to anything. In the eye of the beholder.

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2nd last thumb. Just cupping and holding them

I hate how this can be open to different interpretations




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Old 06-25-2005, 11:37 AM   #18
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Bare boobies are not sexually explict. I doubt the discovery channel has 2257 records from all the african chicks running around with their titties out.
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Old 06-25-2005, 01:06 PM   #19
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I'm not talking about bare boobies. I'm talking about boobs being touched.
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Old 06-26-2005, 04:58 AM   #20
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