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$pikes · 06-24-2005, 10:17 PM

I just read this on xbiz and found it very interesting and also think it will give the FCS some nice ammo for the 2257 hearing in August. Way to go Joan!

XBIZ http://xbiz.com/news_piece.php?id=9271

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LOS ANGELES, Calif. ? Contradicting the position of the Department of Justice that adult content is considered child pornography until proven otherwise through strict record keeping procedures known as the 18 U.S.C. §2257 law, the Association of Sites Advocating Child Protection has produced data that puts the majority of the online adult community in the clear.

In a statement issued today, ASACP Executive Director Joan Irvine claimed that the proposed 2257 amendments ? that went into effect on June 23 except for current Free Speech Coalition members ? will do nothing to stop the proliferation of child porn based on data from its CP hotline.

Asserting that the professional adult entertainment industry is ?not involved with child pornography,? Irvine backed up her statement by claiming that 99.9 percent of CP hotline reports can be attributed to non-adult webmasters or pedophiles, not professional adult companies.

According to the DOJ in its recently revised 2257 documents, minors are incapable of consenting to perform in sexually explicit depictions and are often forced to engage in sexually explicit conduct. For these reasons, visual depictions of sexually explicit conduct that involve persons under the age of 18 constitute illegal child pornography.

But Irvine feels otherwise and has the data to support it.

?Adult companies already comply with the current laws; the criminals involved in CP don?t and never will,? Irvine said. ?As I have said before, I wish the government would focus its time and financial resources on apprehending the real criminals and truly saving children.?

ASACP has processed more than 150,000 reports of suspected child pornography sites in the past two years alone, sharing its ?red flag reports? with the government.

Among those reports processed over the last two years, states Irvine, only eight percent were ?unique verifiable? child porn sites. Irvine added that in many ways, through the adoption of 2257 amendments that make it tougher for adult companies to maintain age verification records on content models, the DOJ is pointing the finger in the wrong direction.

According to Brandon Shalton, technology consultant for ASACP, on a daily average, ASACP processes 100-120 child porn leads, 5-10 of which actually end up being child porn. But, Shalton added, they are not adult entertainment websites and instead tend to generate from free hosting sites and servers outside of the country.

"We have empirical evidence to prove that the websites child porn occurs on are not adult entertainment domains," Shalton said.

Irvine added that all too often the government and various religious groups clump child porn with regular, consensual adult content, creating a damaging stigma for adult professionals.

"Most of the CP images that are distributed on the Internet are of young children less than 12 years old," Irvine said. "There is no way that professional adult content should even be compared to these horrific images."

NaughtyRob · 06-24-2005, 10:20 PM

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Tango · 06-24-2005, 10:22 PM

thx for the info - great stuff

$pikes · 06-24-2005, 10:36 PM

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Originally Posted by ContentProducer

Fuck yeah! Way to go!!

Deff.. Joan took a lot of shit from everybody here these past weeks but this new they released is really good news for all of us. I always knew most everyone in our industry has nothing to do with CP.. we just never knew the numbers..

Goos stuff

AlienQ - BANNED FOR LIFE · 06-24-2005, 11:11 PM

People are yet to see the real nightmare.

Major (Tom) · 06-24-2005, 11:19 PM

lets just hope this isnt a segway into the getting the government behind .xxx more than they already are. Joan can say " 2257 wont stop it, but .xxx will" and the gov will go, ohhhhhh yeaaaaa I get it wink wink.
this could be a "way to go joan" or a strategic move in a game of chess.
Duke

Hinc · 06-24-2005, 11:23 PM

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$pikes · 06-24-2005, 11:51 PM

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Originally Posted by DukeSkywalker

lets just hope this isnt a segway into the getting the government behind .xxx more than they already are. Joan can say " 2257 wont stop it, but .xxx will" and the gov will go, ohhhhhh yeaaaaa I get it wink wink.
this could be a "way to go joan" or a strategic move in a game of chess.
Duke

Wow.. good point

Shoehorn! · 06-24-2005, 11:55 PM

Now thats the kind of stuff that needs to be said. HUGE thumbs up to Joan and everyone over at ASACP for telling it like it is.

Shoehorn! · 06-24-2005, 11:56 PM

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Originally Posted by DukeSkywalker

lets just hope this isnt a segway into the getting the government behind .xxx more than they already are. Joan can say " 2257 wont stop it, but .xxx will" and the gov will go, ohhhhhh yeaaaaa I get it wink wink.
this could be a "way to go joan" or a strategic move in a game of chess.
Duke

Excellent point.

pornguy · 06-25-2005, 01:34 AM

I hate to say this, but the entire new 2257 changes and all that shit, is not about stopping C P. It is about getting rid of online porn in general. If if you look around, they are doing it in a slow steady fashion.

Nightwind · 06-25-2005, 01:56 AM

She said the same things many of us have been saying here, the only difference is that someone might actually listen to her. Hopefully they will.

Corleone · 06-25-2005, 01:58 AM

people muddle up CP and porn ..

basschick · 06-25-2005, 01:59 AM

hey, it was a great article, and it's nice to see someone is trying to really explain things to the media all the way.

MikeHawk · 06-25-2005, 02:02 AM

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Originally Posted by DukeSkywalker

lets just hope this isnt a segway into the getting the government behind .xxx more than they already are. Joan can say " 2257 wont stop it, but .xxx will" and the gov will go, ohhhhhh yeaaaaa I get it wink wink.
this could be a "way to go joan" or a strategic move in a game of chess.
Duke

Duke.....good point, keep you eye on the "prize" follow the money....

twist · 06-25-2005, 03:28 AM

So much truth in there.

V_RocKs · 06-25-2005, 03:50 AM

I'd rather be on a XXX domain than have to keep records as stated in 2257 any day...

Joan, you rock... This cancels out my previous post titled, "FUCK THE ASACP"...

You have done good today!

Antxx · 06-25-2005, 06:48 AM

I always said that law was more about censorship then CP fighting. That law is an effective way to bring down the porn US industry to disadvantage compare to the rest of the world.

Only 8% of reports are positive...man! I unsderstand why i get so little feedback on my own ASCAP reports...The french governement is actually a good model right now, in terms of getting those who produce CP in their own country, even with limited ressources. The 2257 law will do nothing against CP, in fact, it might even increase in the US since they aren't even targetted.

Acting on actual reports will do good against CP. That was what the French governement understood.

HpicAnn · 06-25-2005, 06:52 AM

nice read

for Joan!!

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