No Shit! Tax Fighter Beats Rap! Says Fed Taxes Illegal. Wins! - GoFuckYourself.com

Greg B · 06-23-2005, 10:34 PM

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/ar...TICLE_ID=44956

This is some shit! Unfucking believable.

xxxice · 06-23-2005, 10:37 PM

If it was true would be nice

tony286 · 06-23-2005, 10:39 PM

there was another one the story was buried it was last yr

NTSS · 06-23-2005, 10:40 PM

Interesting story...was he even charged with tax evasion? I'm not sure what to think about this.

Greg B · 06-23-2005, 10:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by NTSS

Interesting story...was he even charged with tax evasion? I'm not sure what to think about this.

What he was charged with is in the story. What the story does do is prove that there are unresolved issues before the courts as usual and the decisions depend on how much muscle you have behind you.

Our court system is only as strong as the Judges who sit on the bench. If you have a good judge, one who is honorable and knows their stuff you can count on a brighter future. When you run into a judge ( believe you me I have more times than I can count ) who is on dope, alcohol, is a pervert, an asshole etc. sitting on the bench then you are one step away from a world of hurt.

In this case, Banister knew-his-shit and so did the Judge. It's going to escalate into more issues as this is something a long time coming.

Matt 26z · 06-23-2005, 10:53 PM

Does this have anything to do with the claims by some people that the Feds have no right to tax income derived from your own state? There's a lot of tax experts who read the law to read that, but also say it's a losing battle to fight it.

Greg B · 06-24-2005, 12:05 PM

http://biz.yahoo.com/prnews/050624/sff010.html?.v=13

Press Release Source: We The People Foundation for Constitutional Education, Inc.

Former IRS CID Special Agent Acquitted of Tax Fraud and Conspiracy
Friday June 24, 6:57 am ET
Government Unable to Prove U.S. Law Requires Income Tax Withholding or Filing

SACRAMENTO, Calif., June 24 /PRNewswire/ -- On Thursday June 23, a jury found former IRS Criminal Investigative Division (CID) Special Agent and CPA Joseph Banister not guilty of all counts alleging federal criminal tax fraud and conspiracy related to actions he took on behalf of a California business owner who had openly defied the IRS by stopping withholding of all income and employment taxes from the paychecks of his workers.
During the trial the Department of Justice was unable to put forth any evidence that Banister had either engaged in a conspiracy or had acted unlawfully when he shared legal research with business owner Al Thompson concluding that he had no legal obligation to withhold taxes from his workers, or when he (Banister) prepared corrected tax returns for Thompson claiming his taxable income was, under U.S. law, zero.

During the trial, Banister's former supervisor at IRS's San Jose CID office, Robert Gorini (who testified via video recording) when pointedly asked, was unable to cite any U.S. law that explicitly required Banister to pay income taxes.

Banister, who was forced to resign in 1999, gave Thompson's workers a presentation in 2000 which reviewed his detailed investigative research of U.S. tax law which concluded that not only did the IRS lack any authority to impose income taxes on the workers, but there was no legal requirement for the business to withhold any taxes from the worker's paychecks.

Banister is part of a several year, nationwide effort seeking to force the U.S. Government to respond to a series of detailed legal Petitions for Redress of Grievances directly challenging the authority of the IRS. Last summer, the We The People Foundation initiated a landmark lawsuit with 2000 plaintiffs against the government because it has refused to answer the Petitions.

The Right-To-Petition lawsuit, of which Banister is a plaintiff, is the first time in history that U.S. courts have been asked to define the meaning of the final ten words of the First Amendment.

Court documents for the RTP lawsuit and scholarly research regarding the Right to Petition can be downloaded from the Lawsuit Information Center on www.GiveMeLiberty.org.

In January of this year, Schulz obtained a ruling from the Second Circuit U.S. Court of Appeals holding that IRS must have an order from a U.S. District Court before it can injure a taxpayer by utilizing administrative enforcement actions such as summons, liens or levies. The record of that case and the Court of Appeals Order are available on the website as well.

We The People Foundation for Constitutional Education, Inc.
2458 Ridge Road, Queensbury, NY 12804
Phone: 518-656-3578
Fax: 518-656-9724
www.GiveMeLiberty.org
[email protected]

This press release has been submitted on behalf of http://www.24-7pressrelease.com"

warlock5 · 06-24-2005, 01:12 PM

Fuck WND and the press release. The New York Times got this story:

http://www.nytimes.com/2005/06/24/business/24irs.html

"The I.R.S. declined to comment on the verdict. The prosecutor, Robert Twiss, said the verdict showed only that the jury did not believe the government had proved its case beyond a reasonable doubt."

"The jury verdict appeared to reflect the different way criminal tax laws apply to taxpayers and to professional advisers who promote tax cheating, said Jay Adkisson, a tax lawyer in Laguna Nigel, Calif., who tracks tax protesters at the Web site quatloos.com."

"It is hard to convict promoters," Mr. Adkisson said. "Promoters make a lot of money off their marks, watch their marks go to jail for not paying taxes and then take advantage of a loophole that lets them prepare bogus returns that they characterize as protest returns" prepared at the direction of the client."

"Mr. Banister was not charged with any failure to pay taxes."

So yeah, your still fucked if you aren't paying income taxes.

06-23-2005, 10:34 PM	#1
Greg B So Fucking Banned Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: EARTH (for the time being) Posts: 7,014	No Shit! Tax Fighter Beats Rap! Says Fed Taxes Illegal. Wins! http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/ar...TICLE_ID=44956 This is some shit! Unfucking believable.

06-23-2005, 10:40 PM	#4
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06-23-2005, 10:37 PM	#2
xxxice Confirmed User Join Date: Feb 2002 Posts: 5,042	If it was true would be nice

06-23-2005, 10:39 PM	#3
tony286 lurker Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: atlanta Posts: 57,021	there was another one the story was buried it was last yr

06-23-2005, 10:53 PM	#6
Matt 26z So Fucking Banned Industry Role: Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: ¤ª"˜¨๑۩۞۩๑¨˜"ª¤ Posts: 18,481	Does this have anything to do with the claims by some people that the Feds have no right to tax income derived from your own state? There's a lot of tax experts who read the law to read that, but also say it's a losing battle to fight it.

06-24-2005, 12:05 PM	#7
Greg B So Fucking Banned Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: EARTH (for the time being) Posts: 7,014	http://biz.yahoo.com/prnews/050624/sff010.html?.v=13 Press Release Source: We The People Foundation for Constitutional Education, Inc. Former IRS CID Special Agent Acquitted of Tax Fraud and Conspiracy Friday June 24, 6:57 am ET Government Unable to Prove U.S. Law Requires Income Tax Withholding or Filing SACRAMENTO, Calif., June 24 /PRNewswire/ -- On Thursday June 23, a jury found former IRS Criminal Investigative Division (CID) Special Agent and CPA Joseph Banister not guilty of all counts alleging federal criminal tax fraud and conspiracy related to actions he took on behalf of a California business owner who had openly defied the IRS by stopping withholding of all income and employment taxes from the paychecks of his workers. During the trial the Department of Justice was unable to put forth any evidence that Banister had either engaged in a conspiracy or had acted unlawfully when he shared legal research with business owner Al Thompson concluding that he had no legal obligation to withhold taxes from his workers, or when he (Banister) prepared corrected tax returns for Thompson claiming his taxable income was, under U.S. law, zero. During the trial, Banister's former supervisor at IRS's San Jose CID office, Robert Gorini (who testified via video recording) when pointedly asked, was unable to cite any U.S. law that explicitly required Banister to pay income taxes. Banister, who was forced to resign in 1999, gave Thompson's workers a presentation in 2000 which reviewed his detailed investigative research of U.S. tax law which concluded that not only did the IRS lack any authority to impose income taxes on the workers, but there was no legal requirement for the business to withhold any taxes from the worker's paychecks. Banister is part of a several year, nationwide effort seeking to force the U.S. Government to respond to a series of detailed legal Petitions for Redress of Grievances directly challenging the authority of the IRS. Last summer, the We The People Foundation initiated a landmark lawsuit with 2000 plaintiffs against the government because it has refused to answer the Petitions. The Right-To-Petition lawsuit, of which Banister is a plaintiff, is the first time in history that U.S. courts have been asked to define the meaning of the final ten words of the First Amendment. Court documents for the RTP lawsuit and scholarly research regarding the Right to Petition can be downloaded from the Lawsuit Information Center on www.GiveMeLiberty.org. In January of this year, Schulz obtained a ruling from the Second Circuit U.S. Court of Appeals holding that IRS must have an order from a U.S. District Court before it can injure a taxpayer by utilizing administrative enforcement actions such as summons, liens or levies. The record of that case and the Court of Appeals Order are available on the website as well. We The People Foundation for Constitutional Education, Inc. 2458 Ridge Road, Queensbury, NY 12804 Phone: 518-656-3578 Fax: 518-656-9724 www.GiveMeLiberty.org [email protected] This press release has been submitted on behalf of http://www.24-7pressrelease.com"

06-24-2005, 01:12 PM	#8
warlock5 Confirmed User Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Uranus Posts: 2,808	Fuck WND and the press release. The New York Times got this story: http://www.nytimes.com/2005/06/24/business/24irs.html "The I.R.S. declined to comment on the verdict. The prosecutor, Robert Twiss, said the verdict showed only that the jury did not believe the government had proved its case beyond a reasonable doubt." "The jury verdict appeared to reflect the different way criminal tax laws apply to taxpayers and to professional advisers who promote tax cheating, said Jay Adkisson, a tax lawyer in Laguna Nigel, Calif., who tracks tax protesters at the Web site quatloos.com." "It is hard to convict promoters," Mr. Adkisson said. "Promoters make a lot of money off their marks, watch their marks go to jail for not paying taxes and then take advantage of a loophole that lets them prepare bogus returns that they characterize as protest returns" prepared at the direction of the client." "Mr. Banister was not charged with any failure to pay taxes." So yeah, your still fucked if you aren't paying income taxes.