this thread makes me want to go to one of their centers and just talk shit to them and waste their time. Make my own shirt "Tom Cruise Sucks Like Scientology" or something.

Is dayquil ok?

I love that stuff for my imaginary colds.

I never realized that Tom Cruise was an educated genius. Wow!

Fuck this cocksmoker. I wonder if the side effect of a right cross would be labeled "psychosomatic".

hes not crazy. hes actually right.

not only about prozac & ridilin, but all the "legal" drugs.
as quoted by Chris Rock:

"The Goverment wants you to be hooked on some legal shit! Commercials will name a symptom till they get you: 'Are you tired? Are you lonely? THATS ME! I gotta get that pill!"

My sister was on ridilin for a couple of years & then just stopped taking it. She felt like she was another person when on it, and shes a mother and engaged, full time steady job, no problems. She didnt need ridilin, she needed to NOT be a teenager anymore. Why parents (including mine) are so quick to reach for a magic pill to cure all their ills & problems, I'll never understand.

Just like with this 2257 shit. We are acting as parents for unsupervised kids. Since when did actual PARENTING become something of the past?

baa haa haa haa

so asbestos will only harm me if I let it,,,thanks for the laugh

Asbestosis is a state of mind.

FletchXXX, no worries mate. It was just my judgmental point of view. I don't know if you've changed or not. You still ignore me everytime I see you walking around the streets, so I guess nothing's really changed.

I think no more or no less of anyone here who believes or disbelieves any religion.

The end result is the same.

I dont take any kind of medication, I only drink socially and anymore quite rarely, and I quit smoking 6 months ago.

I am not a christian, a budist, jew or muslim.

I most definatly am not a scientologist. It's a cult, nothing more nor less then wearing an orange robe and banging your tambourine in an airport lobby or wearing a red robe and protecting pedofiles.

A crutch is a crutch is a crutch.

If your weak you are weak fletch, you will gravitate toward booze or drugs or religion because you need it. Just like some people need medication. To me there is no difference between selling your soul to scientology or smoking crack on a street. If you are weak and you need something to get you thru you will find something that works for you.

I read a story today of a guy who went thru scientology and was convinced to throw away his medication. He suffered from Schizophrenia and ended up killing several members of his family. Gosh just maybe he needed those drugs after all.

I dont understand how scientology can condem people for being weak when in fact their members can't do anything without approvel from their church and most are confused or terrified to do anything without that consent.
Everything in their lives is orchestrated.

I am not a big fan of psychologists and psychiatry but I do know why Scientologists hate and loathe them so much. It takes an awfully good psychologist to de program a scientologist.

I just reread my post fletch and I hope you dont take it as an attack on you. It's not meant to be it's just my thoughts.

not at all.

i was just comparing how christians go psycho too.

ever hear about that mom that stoned her babies with rocks because the bible did it?

you can compare any religion, there will be a psycho who kills in its name.

i have a schizophrenic relative, i said NOTHING about such things. I only mentioned common cold, and the psychosomatic ills I linked.

I am not challenging all medical science here. SImply common colds and other ailments brought on by the reactive mind.

brain washed maybe, but definately wierd; really fuckin wierd.

i've always been sketchy on ritalin, well actually sketchy towards the parents that give it to their children for no fuckin reason

Tom and the church get their tax write offs, and thats about all that matters.

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that is funny, it didnt come across right at all.

ill laugh too.

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I believed that until I got meningitis. It's hardcore and strikes suddenly. There's no mind over mattering yourself out of that one.

i didnt include the rest because they dont havre a icon for lmfao -

common cold is psychosomatic huh?

how does that apply to babies and yong kids?

i find it funny that you rip on christianity yet applaude scientology and dont see the parralells.

hypocrisy is such a terrible diesease

i linked the entire google search result for "common cold is psychosomatic" to back me up.

you choose not to read, not my fault.

scientists agree with me.

http://www.psychosomaticmedicine.org...tract/65/4/652

as always i back myself up with SCIENTIFIC FACT. most just have opinions.

OBJECTIVE: It has been hypothesized that people who typically report experiencing negative emotions are at greater risk for disease and those who typically report positive emotions are at less risk. We tested these hypotheses for host resistance to the common cold.

METHODS: Three hundred thirty-four healthy volunteers aged 18 to 54 years were assessed for their tendency to experience positive emotions such as happy, pleased, and relaxed; and for negative emotions such as anxious, hostile, and depressed. Subsequently, they were given nasal drops containing one of two rhinoviruses and monitored in quarantine for the development of a common cold (illness in the presence of verified infection).

RESULTS: For both viruses, increased positive emotional style (PES) was associated (in a dose-response manner) with lower risk of developing a cold. This relationship was maintained after controlling for prechallenge virus-specific antibody, virus-type, age, sex, education, race, body mass, and season (adjusted relative risk comparing lowest-to-highest tertile = 2.9). Negative emotional style (NES) was not associated with colds and the association of positive style and colds was independent of negative style. Although PES was associated with lower levels of endocrine hormones and better health practices, these differences could not account for different risks for illness. In separate analyses, NES was associated with reporting more unfounded (independent of objective markers of disease) symptoms, and PES with reporting fewer.

http://www.psychosomaticmedicine.org...tract/65/4/652

but dont worry yourself with facts and scientific study :1orglaugh

Thats a wonderful post!

fletch wtf
finish your high school education first before talking so much shit

common cold is psychosomatic? learn what a virus is

if you are against drugs/chemicals/medicines to cure people, and think they dont work, explain why the average lifespan has doubled in a relatively short time
if eating an apple makes you feel better, its not the apple that makes you feel better, its the god damn chemicals in the apple. if someone were to purify the exact chemical that made you feel good, and labelled it as a drug, and offered it to you, you wouldnt take it..

but youd eat 10 apples

its the same thing

you keep saying the same things -however, i dont see anyone objecting to the idea that "many" illnesses can be caused by the mind. everyone is aware of the connection between mind and body. you can show someone a picture and make them puke. you can show someone a picture and give them a hardon etc. what more do you need. everyone knows that stress can have negative health consequences. this is all nothing new.

besides that, you are not using "facts" to support anything. you are using the same basic "facts" that someone would use to support the truth of Islam or any other religion. you can't say "the common cold is caused by the mind" and claim it to be fact because the simple fact is that very little is known about the common cold, its cure and its cause. circumstantial and anectdotal evidence which can neither be proven or disproven does not constitute "fact". your arguments are beliefs... just as the average Jehovas Witness feels better about what he believes and defends absurd things like the notion that dinasours never existed with "scientific" arguments that they also boldy refer to as being "fact".

and none of these things change the fact that Scientology is a cult created by a science fiction author who was a diagnosed schizophrenic and con man. if it makes you feel better about yourself, thats great. but what seperates the way you feel and the way you believe from any other cult leader?... why are you more enlightened and correct than the average muslim of 1.5 billion people?

there is indeed a lot of irony in the fact that you attack organized religion and defend something like scientology.
:2 cents:

dont tell me, tell the doctors who agree with me

Sheldon Cohen, PhD, William J. Doyle, PhD, Ronald B. Turner, MD, Cuneyt M. Alper, MD and David P. Skoner, MD

From the Department of Psychology (S.C.), Carnegie Mellon University, Pittsburgh; Departments of Otolaryngology (W.J.D., C.M.A.) and Pediatrics (D.P.S.) Children?s Hospital of Pittsburgh and the University of Pittsburgh School of Medicine, Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania; and the Department of Pediatrics (R.B.T.), Medical University of South Carolina, Charleston, South Carolina (now at the University of Virginia Health Sciences Center, Charlottesville, Virginia).

Address reprint requests to: Sheldon Cohen, PhD, Carnegie Mellon University, Department of Psychology, 5000 Forbes Ave., Pittsburgh, PA 15213-3890. Email: [email protected]

i love how none of you are a doctor, but will dispute scientific FACT!

i didnt say any of that, my opinion just shaked up people because i am backed by doctors across the world.


my favorite is the study of common colds and people who were not even sick claimed they were

anyway, until someone can dispute science, this isnt my argument,.. i am only agreeing with what is proven to be a fact by teams of doctors.

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i defend nothing

you people cant stand my OPINION and thats what is fact

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and someone could also post an endless list of doctors that disagree with you and the doctors above. would that change your views?

send me the article link please
btw how can you agree with one small group of doctors and completely disregard the fact that thousands of other doctors think otherwise

also, if this was so true, that many many diseases are 'all in ones head'..
then placebos would work.

they dont

see, thats the thing.

you actually are here to "change my opinion or view" :1orglaugh

i dont care what you guys believe, but my view seems to rattle your cage

and its hilarious.

i also believe in bigfoot.

I actually agree that people need to fight the use of medication whenever possible. Instead of popping a pill, drink a glass of water, have an apple, and try to create a better overall lifestyle for yourself.

I still think Tom is crazy though and it because more and more apparent after every interview. Scientology is going to destroy his life, he just won't realize it until it happens. Does anyone else find it ironic that he's the star of War of the Worlds?

the thread has gone from me chiming in, to having to defend myself.

not worth m,y time.

see ya.

off to lunch

why do you think anyone cares about your opinion? you are not using the word "opinion" as much as you are using the word "fact".

i was questioning the fact that you continue to sprinkle the discussion with the word "fact" when you are presenting no facts. as i said, conclusions drawn from anectdotal and circumstantial evidence do not constitute "fact"

if this was so true, that many many diseases are 'all in ones head'..
then placebos would work.

they dont

plain and simple. its not 'all in your head'

150..........

i think you suffer from some delusional fantasy of self importance. i dont want to change your opinion. again, i was pointing out that you are presenting opinion as fact and your arguments are weak at best. if you were so "right" - then people would be lined up at scientology centers and they would not rely on cornering, harrassing and even abducting people. they would encourge questioning everything rather than labeling those who doubt as enemies of the church (SP's).

when someone cannot tolerate questions about their beliefs... i would have to question their beleifs.

here's the video of the interview.

http://video.msn.com/video/p.htm?t=1...e2d9b49c7b&rf=

I personally think he did great.

fletch

never said i disagreed with you that people can be psychosomatic- i disagree with you that the commom cold is a result of psychosomatics, which any scientist would concur with me.

that article doesnt support your claim as you think it does. it does not say that the common cold is in itself psychosomatic, it says people who typically report experiencing negative emotions are at greater risk for disease and those who typically report positive emotions are at less risk.

and so because you found one or a few articles on the internet to back up your scientology views its gospel? (shit bad word to use when speaking with an anti christian) and thats makes you an expert or its the truth? your backing your opinion with others opnions on study that isnt based on pure science but opinions of Psychologists which scientolgy abhors.

there are no facts only intepretations. and that goes for science too.

and me having a different opinion or disagreeing or challengeing your claims makes me uneducated?

maybe ive read up on the subject and disagree because of what ive read challenges your opinion?

and you call me an idiot?

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fletch

never said i disagreed with you that people can be psychosomatic- i disagree with you that the commom cold is a result of psychosomatics, which any scientist would concur with me.

that article doesnt support your claim as you think it does. it does not say that the common cold is in itself psychosomatic, it says people who typically report experiencing negative emotions are at greater risk for disease and those who typically report positive emotions are at less risk.

and so because you found one or a few articles on the internet to back up your scientology views its gospel? (shit bad word to use when speaking with an anti christian) and thats makes you an expert or its a Fact? your backing your opinion with others opnions on study that isnt based on pure science but opinions of Psychologists which scientolgy abhors.

there are no facts only intepretations. and that goes for science too.

and me having a different opinion or disagreeing or challengeing your claims makes me uneducated?

maybe ive read up on the subject and disagree because of what ive read challenges your opinion?

and you call me an idiot?

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i didnt post this twice

WTF :1orglaugh

Agreed even though it's not that black and white but people tends to use them like that, it can fix some conditions but if there's a cause to the rpoblem in your life, drugs sure aint the cure!

btw. Scientology sucks!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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