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cherrylula 06-24-2005 08:19 AM
You forgot "gay" right before "fucking lunatic" in the title.

Dollarmansteve 06-24-2005 08:19 AM
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Originally Posted by Rinaldo
if it isn't all mental then explain why placebos still work 60% or better on most tests
Did you know that 54% of all statistics are just made up on the spot?

SaintElGrouch 06-24-2005 08:19 AM
So illnesses given to children at birth are the fault of the parent's mind or the child's mind?

SaintElGrouch 06-24-2005 08:20 AM
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Originally Posted by Dollarmansteve
Did you know that 54% of all statistics are just made up on the spot?

:thumbsup :1orglaugh :1orglaugh

Meta Ridley 06-24-2005 08:23 AM
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Originally Posted by Fletch XXX
Scientologists, and myself included believe that almost 100% of human illness is psychosomatic.

common cold is bullshit.

it is psychosomatic, as most human ills...

so to not believe in the illness but to believe in the cure would be lame, Tom Cruise is right.
You're idiotic.

My uncle has been a scientologist for most of his life now.
Everything they taught him has worsened his life. He's given a shitload of money to them, and is pretty much broke, even tho he is the most talented person I know.
About the medicine, he swears off medicine just like cruise, and hes had progressive back problems his whole adult life. Because of Scientology, he has refused doctors and medicine and any other treatment because he believes he can heal himself. Well, now he can barley walk anymore, he's not even 50, and he lives in constant pain. Fucking lot of good that did him.
This is onle one story of many of how that fucking lame cult ruins lives.

Fletch XXX 06-24-2005 08:25 AM
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Originally Posted by Meta Ridley
You're idiotic.
But at least I back up my claims with scientific fact instead of insults

:)

Meta Ridley 06-24-2005 08:26 AM
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Originally Posted by Fletch XXX
But at least I back up my claims with scientific fact instead of insults

:)

I claimed Scientology was a stupid cult and backed it up what do you want.

Pleasurepays 06-24-2005 08:27 AM
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Originally Posted by SaintElGrouch
So illnesses given to children at birth are the fault of the parent's mind or the child's mind?
does it matter? you can argue whether or not christ rose from the dead for the next 1000 years and even if someone found the remains burried under a rock somewhere, it would not have a significant imapact on christianity.

you are arguing about a belief system based on faith, taught be a guy who started a religion because he thought it would make more money than writing books.

does it matter who is right or wrong? if they were so right about everything, would they need to detain people and force them to watch movies and ostracize anyone who doubted them - and lable doubters (suppressive personalities) as their biggest enemies? dianetics is fairly clever in its design and debating someones belief system is really futile.

Fletch XXX 06-24-2005 08:27 AM
Since this charachter wants to say I am wrong about common colds, I will prove Im right and then be done with this know-nothing

Quote:
It's no secret that stress can take a toll on your health, but a new study shows that keeping a positive attitude could be just the right medicine to fight the common cold.

The study, appearing in the July issue of Psychosomatic Medicine, reports that people with a positive attitude -- energetic, happy, and relaxed -- are less likely to catch colds than people who are depressed, nervous, or angry. The study even reported that uptight or sad people are also more likely to complain of cold symptoms even when they don't have a cold.
http://my.webmd.com/content/article/71/81297.htm

now tell me im wrong and make up another story about your uncle :1orglaugh

Peaches 06-24-2005 08:27 AM
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Originally Posted by SaintElGrouch
So illnesses given to children at birth are the fault of the parent's mind or the child's mind?
:thumbsup

taibo 06-24-2005 08:27 AM
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Originally Posted by Meta Ridley
This was from an interview on the Today show with Matt Lauer this morn,

As Lauer put it, things ?got a little tense? when Tom was asked about his anti-psychiatric views:

Tom: [with patented ferocity] Do you know what Adderall is? Do you know Ritalin? Do you know now that Ritalin is a street drug? [Ed: Oh, har har. We?re on Ritalin right now.]
Matt: I understand the abuse of all these things ?
T: [interrupting] Yeah but you don?t understand the history of these drugs. And if you do, you know that it masks the problem. There is no such thing as a chemical imbalance!
M: But ?
T: No, Matt, I know these things ?
M: No ?
T: Listen ?
[This continues for a few moments and we stop listening.]
M: So, depression ? is it all gobbledy gook?
T: No, Matt, I?m not saying that. That?s an alteration of what I?m saying. These drugs are dangerous, mind-altering chemicals. There are ways of handling these problems so that we don?t end up in a Brave New World.
M: You want [other people] to do well, but you want them to do well on a road that you approve of.
T: No ?
M: [interrupting] But if anti-depressants worked for Brooke Shields, isn?t that okay?
T: I disagree with it.
M: But aren?t there examples where it works?
T: You don?t even know what Ritalin is! If you read the papers on how they came up with the drug, the dosage? You should be more responsible in knowing what it is. I am responsible. I know these things.
M: You?re saying that you know how it affected people you don?t know, but I do? You?re now telling me that what has and hasn?t worked for people I know, and I?m telling you I lived with these people and I saw an improvement.
T: So you?re advocating?
M: No, I?m not. I?m just saying that in their individual cases, it helped them? We could go in circles on this matter. But do you want more people to understand Scientology? Is that a goal of yours?
T: Of course. And I don?t talk about things I don?t understand.


Taken Here
old news.

jimmyf 06-24-2005 08:28 AM
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Originally Posted by Meta Ridley
This is onle one story of many of how that fucking lame cult ruins lives.
Not sure but I don't think he said he belongs to it, He said he's read some books on it and believes some or a lot of it.

I could be wrong

ColBigBalls 06-24-2005 08:28 AM
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Originally Posted by SaintElGrouch
So illnesses given to children at birth are the fault of the parent's mind or the child's mind?
Obviously not all illnesses are in the mind... but i agree to an extent some are. Take job stress for instance. In part a mental condition, some people break out in hives from stress. A physical reaction to a mental condition, a great argument for the mind can control the body.

Meta Ridley 06-24-2005 08:30 AM
BTW , here is the video of Cruise:


http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/8343367

Dollarmansteve 06-24-2005 08:30 AM
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Originally Posted by Meta Ridley
I claimed Scientology was a stupid cult and backed it up what do you want.
Careful, dont piss off Xenu!!

Fletch XXX 06-24-2005 08:30 AM
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Originally Posted by ColBigBalls
Obviously not all illnesses are in the mind... but i agree to an extent some are. Take job stress for instance. In part a mental condition, some people break out in hives from stress. A physical reaction to a mental condition, a great argument for the mind can control the body.
Exactly. I knew people would sit there and think of every little illness they can think of to retort. I said common colds and other ills, now its moved on to birth defects and alcohol fetal syndrome.

Those of course are not psychosomatic, we are not talking birth defects here.

But scientific studies back up every claim Ive made.

KMR Stitch 06-24-2005 08:31 AM
Idiots on GFY. I just love all the Lawyers and Doctors here

Meta Ridley 06-24-2005 08:31 AM
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Originally Posted by taibo
old news.

From today you stupid fucking post whore

detoxed 06-24-2005 08:33 AM
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Originally Posted by DonovanPhillips
Actually, that makes perfect sense. You believed in your mind before the drug that you couldn't function in public. When given a crutch (the drug) your mind now believes you can function in public and you remain calm. Your mind is much more powerful than you think.

So why arent all pills just a blank then? Why do they spend millions developing them.... if a sugar pill can do the same thing?

Fletch XXX 06-24-2005 08:33 AM
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Originally Posted by jimmyf
yep sure is.

so is my high blood pressure. :1orglaugh

But if I don't take those pills, guess what I'll stroke out :helpme
yep.

How can the mind affect physical diseases?

It is well known that the mind can cause physical symptoms. For example, when we are afraid or anxious we may develop: a fast heart rate, palpitations, feeling sick, shaking (tremor), sweating, dry mouth, chest pain, headaches, a 'knot in the stomach', fast breathing. These physical symptoms are due to an 'overdrive' of nervous impulses sent from the brain to various parts of the body, and to the release of adrenaline into the bloodstream when we are anxious.

However, the exact way the mind can cause certain other symptoms is not clear. Also, how the mind can affect actual physical diseases (rashes, blood pressure, the extent of heart disease, etc) is not clear. It may have something to do with nervous impulses going to the body which we do not fully understand. There is also some evidence that the brain may be able to affect certain cells of the immune system, which is involved in various physical diseases.

http://www.patient.co.uk/showdoc/27000225/

jwerd 06-24-2005 08:33 AM
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Originally Posted by Fletch XXX
The chapter in Dianetics on Beocoming "Clear" explains it all.

Most in this thread seem to not understand Scientology as a whole, if they did, they would understand Tom Cruise point.

Scientology uses alternate methods, as opposed to pills and drugs.

I invite anyone to read the books, I have been reading scientology for years, lots of good info at least.
Fletch, do the alternatives have anything to do with like a diet change? More or less a lifestyle change, for that matter? Just curious, as I study and live a Macrobioitc lifestyle, and I've learned that a lot of it has to do with what we surround ourselves with, what we put into our body, etc. Would love to talk more about it :) If you'd like to hit me up on email, you may do so at jacob (at) sadsoft (dot) com

Thanks!

jimmyf 06-24-2005 08:34 AM
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Originally Posted by KMR Stitch
Idiots on GFY. I just love all the Lawyers and Doctors here
I know it's funny.
:thumbsup
I'll stick with my Doctor thank you.

haven't had a need for a lawyers in a few years

sherie 06-24-2005 08:35 AM
I want to start my own Cult!

On topic, just because one (or many) peice(s) of information state something does not necessarily make it true. Arguements for both sides can be made and nobody comes out winning. All you can hope for is to be informed and make a decision based on what's right for you. Tom Cruise is losing his fucking mind and that's pretty apparent!

Fletch XXX 06-24-2005 08:36 AM
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Originally Posted by lamerhooD
Fletch, do the alternatives have anything to do with like a diet change? More or less a lifestyle change, for that matter? Just curious, as I study and live a Macrobioitc lifestyle, and I've learned that a lot of it has to do with what we surround ourselves with, what we put into our body, etc. Would love to talk more about it :) If you'd like to hit me up on email, you may do so at jacob (at) sadsoft (dot) com

Thanks!
To become "Clear" you have to undergoe Dianetic treatment under the hands of Scientology doctor or whatever they call themselves.

I would never get that far involved with Scientology. Becoming "clea" simply means you have gotten rid of all your engrams.

for those that do not know.

engram: A physical alteration thought to occur in living neural tissue in response to stimuli, posited as an explanation for memory.

the engram and getting rid of them is the bssis of scientology.

jimmyf 06-24-2005 08:36 AM
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Originally Posted by Fletch XXX
yep.

How can the mind affect physical diseases?

It is well known that the mind can cause physical symptoms. For example, when we are afraid or anxious we may develop: a fast heart rate, palpitations, feeling sick, shaking (tremor), sweating, dry mouth, chest pain, headaches, a 'knot in the stomach', fast breathing. These physical symptoms are due to an 'overdrive' of nervous impulses sent from the brain to various parts of the body, and to the release of adrenaline into the bloodstream when we are anxious.

However, the exact way the mind can cause certain other symptoms is not clear. Also, how the mind can affect actual physical diseases (rashes, blood pressure, the extent of heart disease, etc) is not clear. It may have something to do with nervous impulses going to the body which we do not fully understand. There is also some evidence that the brain may be able to affect certain cells of the immune system, which is involved in various physical diseases.

http://www.patient.co.uk/showdoc/27000225/
Thanks but I will be sticking with my 60mg Adalat's.

EroticySteve 06-24-2005 08:38 AM
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Originally Posted by cherrylula
You forgot "gay" right before "fucking lunatic" in the title.
He's sued people for saying that. I think he even won. Crazy.

ColBigBalls 06-24-2005 08:40 AM
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Originally Posted by detoxed
So why arent all pills just a blank then? Why do they spend millions developing them.... if a sugar pill can do the same thing?

Hypochondriac: A person who has hypochondriasis, a disorder characterized by a preoccupation with body functions and the interpretation of normal body sensations (such as sweating) or minor abnormalities (such as minor aches and pains) as portending problems of major medical moment. Reassurance by physicians and others only serves to increase the hypochondriac's persistent

Meta Ridley 06-24-2005 08:41 AM
Whatch the video. Tom Cruise is DUMB, you will see by his LACK OF UNDERSTANDING MATT.

sickkittens 06-24-2005 08:43 AM
This is all a dream. Nothing is real.

Fletch XXX 06-24-2005 08:44 AM
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Originally Posted by jimmyf
Thanks but I will be sticking with my 60mg Adalat's.
I dont even know what those are.

I was put under psychiatry after a violent death of a cousin in front of me at 11. Have suffered palpitations, anxiety, stress, depression, and panic attacks since then. Nigtmares more often than not.

I take no pills.

I know there are sick people in the world, but not everyone is as sick as they make out to be, and not all of us Americans are running around doped on pills to keep us in line.

I am medication free, and have been my entire life.
And believe me, I could get on pills a phone call away. I chose not to.

Doctors wanted to put me on medication when i was 12. I am 29 and have never had a pill prescription written for me.

jimmyf 06-24-2005 08:53 AM
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Originally Posted by Fletch XXX
I dont even know what those are.

I was put under psychiatry after a violent death of a cousin in front of me at 11. Have suffered palpitations, anxiety, stress, depression, and panic attacks since then. Nigtmares more often than not.

I take no pills.

I know there are sick people in the world, but not everyone is as sick as they make out to be, and not all of us Americans are running around doped on pills to keep us in line.

I am medication free, and have been my entire life.
And believe me, I could get on pills a phone call away. I chose not to.

Doctors wanted to put me on medication when i was 12. I am 29 and have never had a pill prescription written for me.
Adalat is for high blood pressure. If I don't take'm, in about 2 days mine will go 2 like 225/150 or higher

Evil Doer 06-24-2005 08:54 AM
:warning :eatme :firehair

wjxxx 06-24-2005 08:54 AM
My POV : antidepressants could help you when you have serious mental problems but psychiatrist prescribing them too easy. Sometimes therapy or changing some things in you life would work better. In the other hand people like fucktard Cruise who believe in scientology cult and give them milions of dollars every year are totally stupid

jimmyf 06-24-2005 08:56 AM
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Originally Posted by wjxxx
My POV : antidepressants could help you when you have serious mental problems but psychiatrist prescribing them too easy. Sometimes therapy or changing some things in you life would work better. In the other hand people like fucktard Cruise who believe in scientology cult and give them milions of dollars every year are totally stupid
you can add my :2 cents:

Evil Doer 06-24-2005 08:57 AM
:bigears :conehead :Grrrrrr

Peaches 06-24-2005 08:58 AM
Many people self medicate with illegal drugs and alcohol. It doesn't mean their illness isn't real, it just means they self medicate the illness.

slapass 06-24-2005 08:59 AM
If you believe some illness like cancer is not in the head then it is not logical to assume lesser illnesses are all in the head.

aimeesweet 06-24-2005 09:00 AM
Tom Cruise is obnoxious...and an idiot to boot!

Fletch XXX 06-24-2005 09:01 AM
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Originally Posted by slapass
If you believe some illness like cancer is not in the head then it is not logical to assume lesser illnesses are all in the head.
the difference is i have attended funerals for dead family members from cancer.

i have never attended a funeral for common cold.

thts just my opinion.

jimmyf 06-24-2005 09:01 AM
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Originally Posted by slapass
If you believe some illness like cancer is not in the head then it is not logical to assume lesser illnesses are all in the head.
hush it :winkwink:


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