Settlement Reached on new 2257 Regs!! - GoFuckYourself.com

Centurion · 06-22-2005, 06:59 PM

Announcement of agreement between FSC & DOJ tomorrow at 1:30Pm!!
Going to be interesting to see what the settlement is!!

http://www.xbiz.com/news_piece.php?id=9236

Spunky · 06-22-2005, 07:00 PM

Should be intresting to see what it is

Mr.Fiction · 06-22-2005, 07:02 PM

Hope that's true.

GatorB · 06-22-2005, 07:02 PM

Gee thanks for the 3rd such post on this rumor.

cyber_ninja · 06-22-2005, 07:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Centurion

Announcement of agreement between FSC & DOJ tomorrow at 1:30Pm!!
Going to be interesting to see what the settlement is!!

http://www.xbiz.com/news_piece.php?id=9236

Centurion · 06-22-2005, 07:03 PM

It's pretty obvious that *IF* there is an out of court settlement before tomorrow's hearing on the injunction..it's going to be VERY interesting to see if the settlement affects ONLY members of the FSC or everybody.

wjxxx · 06-22-2005, 07:04 PM

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Centurion · 06-22-2005, 07:05 PM

Posted on another forum:
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I received a call from my attorney about an hour ago who first asked, "Are you a member of the Free Speech Coalition?" I responded, "Yes." He then said, "That's the right answer. You're going to be very happy with something that just happened." He went on to say that he couldn't go into details right now but that he would be in touch.

GatorB · 06-22-2005, 07:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Centurion

It's pretty obvious that *IF* there is an out of court settlement before tomorrow's hearing on the injunction..it's going to be VERY interesting to see if the settlement affects ONLY members of the FSC or everybody.

Yes it's going to be "good" news for the FSC in term of a way of getting mroe peole tofork over money to become members. I smell BS.

chase · 06-22-2005, 07:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Centurion

It's pretty obvious that *IF* there is an out of court settlement before tomorrow's hearing on the injunction..it's going to be VERY interesting to see if the settlement affects ONLY members of the FSC or everybody.

I am curious about that, too....

while I completely support the FSC and its efforts in this case and many others, something inside me isn't comfortable with the idea that only members of a free speech organization are protected by its efforts to protect free speech-a consititutional right that applies to all Americans.

thewebgarage · 06-22-2005, 07:07 PM

well my fax still doesnt go thru

Mrs. Lenny2 · 06-22-2005, 07:08 PM

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Originally Posted by thewebgarage

well my fax still doesnt go thru

Call them. They're very helpful over the phone.

pr0 · 06-22-2005, 07:08 PM

Yea FSC is going to come out with alot of $, & the DOJ is still going to fuck everyone over.

Oh well, time to shoot my own content & get a file cabinet.

steve90 · 06-22-2005, 07:09 PM

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Centurion · 06-22-2005, 07:09 PM

And if THIS rumor is actually what was agreed upon:
"FSC and DOJ have agreed to a 60 to 90 day hold on inspections"

it TOTALLY sucks as it means in a couple of months..the DOJ can STILL come after everyone. Cannot believe this to be true..hard to believe the FSC would strike a deal for just 2-3 months stay and totally drop the injunction/further hearings on the regs.

Mr.Fiction · 06-22-2005, 07:10 PM

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Originally Posted by chase

I am curious about that, too....

while I completely support the FSC and its efforts in this case and many others, something inside me isn't comfortable with the idea that only members of a free speech organization are protected by its efforts to protect free speech-a consititutional right that applies to all Americans.

The Free Speech Coalition is an adult industry trade group. They are fighting to protect the free speech rights of member adult businesses.

Maybe you are thinking of the ACLU? The ACLU fights for free speech and civil rights for all Americans.

steve90 · 06-22-2005, 07:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Centurion

And if THIS rumor is actually what was agreed upon:
"FSC and DOJ have agreed to a 60 to 90 day hold on inspections"

it TOTALLY sucks as it means in a couple of months..the DOJ can STILL come after everyone. Cannot believe this to be true..hard to believe the FSC would strike a deal for just 2-3 months stay and totally drop the injunction/further hearings on the regs.

Please go hit yourself with a hammer

After Shock Media · 06-22-2005, 07:14 PM

I am a member of the FSC.
I also stand by the fact that if a deal was reached that only protects or caters to the FSC's members, or worse yet a compromise that would allow the majority of it to pass would be complete and utter bullshit.
Such an organization should be trying to protect everyone in the business and the business itself, not just those that can afford to become members.

Brujah · 06-22-2005, 07:17 PM

LOL, interesting.

Fellow First Amendment attorney Gregory Piccionelli added, "I cannot state in more emphatic terms that you have to be out of your mind if you don't become a member of the FSC immediately."

2257-Ben · 06-22-2005, 07:19 PM

It's patently obvious that the agreement will only affect and apply to FSC members...

GatorB · 06-22-2005, 07:20 PM

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Originally Posted by 2257-Ben

It's patently obvious that the agreement will only affect and apply to FSC members...

And thus this is just all BS. Where is the GOOD news?

thewebgarage · 06-22-2005, 07:21 PM

I tried calling their mailbox is full

Centurion · 06-22-2005, 07:23 PM

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Originally Posted by 2257-Ben

It's patently obvious that the agreement will only affect and apply to FSC members...

And HOW..how can you selectively enforce or NOT enforce a law this way?
You CANNOT! It is then selective discrimination!

The practical effects would be that EVERYONE would be covered by any settlement (read the word: "practical"..not legal!).

2257-Ben · 06-22-2005, 07:24 PM

Sorrry AfterShock... I can't agree with you on this one... First of all, I'm a 'quasi' member of the adult entertainment industry through my relationship with my parter, Newbreed... I signed up as a member for the FSC ($50) not because I thought I needed their protection from 2257, but to support the broader purpose of protecting the free speech rights of EVERYONE, whether they are involved in the adult industry or not... If you can't afford the $300 bucks a year for your corporate membership and the $50 a year individual membership to protect yourself against a legal catastrophe, then I would say you are pretty darn short-sighted and should serious consider whether you should withdraw from the industry.... Unless you have your heart set on sharing a cell with Bubba and being release from prison a decade or so from now with a size 11 asshole... It's your call...

chase · 06-22-2005, 07:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Mr.Fiction

The Free Speech Coalition is an adult industry trade group. They are fighting to protect the free speech rights of member adult businesses.

Maybe you are thinking of the ACLU? The ACLU fights for free speech and civil rights for all Americans.

Maybe so, lol.

Still, it doesn't seem right to me that you have to join the club to get protection.

*shrug*

I'm a little bit "PollyAnna", I admit, but I think any concession the DOJ makes should apply to everyone.

2257-Ben · 06-22-2005, 07:26 PM

That's pretty easy... When the DOJ comes knocking all you have to do is let them know they cannot enforce their law because you are a member of the FSC... If you had been in SD at the FSC symposium you would have known this. Sorry you missed it! A good time was had by all!

rhizome · 06-22-2005, 07:29 PM

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Originally Posted by 2257-Ben

not because I thought I needed their protection from 2257, but to support the broader purpose of protecting the free speech rights of EVERYONE

Dude, you joined the wrong organization then. I would ask for a refund.

chase · 06-22-2005, 07:29 PM

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Originally Posted by 2257-Ben

Sorrry AfterShock... I can't agree with you on this one... First of all, I'm a 'quasi' member of the adult entertainment industry through my relationship with my parter, Newbreed... I signed up as a member for the FSC ($50) not because I thought I needed their protection from 2257, but to support the broader purpose of protecting the free speech rights of EVERYONE, whether they are involved in the adult industry or not... If you can't afford the $300 bucks a year for your corporate membership and the $50 a year individual membership to protect yourself against a legal catastrophe, then I would say you are pretty darn short-sighted and should serious consider whether you should withdraw from the industry.... Unless you have your heart set on sharing a cell with Bubba and being release from prison a decade or so from now with a size 11 asshole... It's your call...

That doesn't seem the least bit elitist to you?

I am just nosing my way back into the industry after a pretty tragic start to the year, and while I hate to admit it, $50 right now buys a lot of diapers when my almost ex-husband doesn't bother to help support our kids.

I'm starting back in the industry because I think it will enable me to get out of this hole faster.

We all have to start somewhere, and it's generally at the bottom.

GatorB · 06-22-2005, 07:29 PM

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Originally Posted by 2257-Ben

Sorrry AfterShock... I can't agree with you on this one... First of all, I'm a 'quasi' member of the adult entertainment industry through my relationship with my parter, Newbreed... I signed up as a member for the FSC ($50) not because I thought I needed their protection from 2257, but to support the broader purpose of protecting the free speech rights of EVERYONE, whether they are involved in the adult industry or not... If you can't afford the $300 bucks a year for your corporate membership and the $50 a year individual membership to protect yourself against a legal catastrophe, then I would say you are pretty darn short-sighted and should serious consider whether you should withdraw from the industry.... Unless you have your heart set on sharing a cell with Bubba and being release from prison a decade or so from now with a size 11 asshole... It's your call...

Having or not having the money is NOT the issue. Why join a group that is willing to sell everyone else out? That would be like back in the 1960's if the NAACP struck a deal where only their members could sit at the front of the bus or at the lunch counter or drink from the "white" water fountain. Every other black that's not a member or any other minority is shit out of luck.

tony286 · 06-22-2005, 07:31 PM

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Originally Posted by chase

Maybe so, lol.

Still, it doesn't seem right to me that you have to join the club to get protection.

*shrug*

I'm a little bit "PollyAnna", I admit, but I think any concession the DOJ makes should apply to everyone.

But why not join a group that fights for your industry, I think people have to understand the days of free rides on the net are coming to a close.

dopeman · 06-22-2005, 07:33 PM

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Originally Posted by 2257-Ben

That's pretty easy... When the DOJ comes knocking all you have to do is let them know they cannot enforce their law because you are a member of the FSC... If you had been in SD at the FSC symposium you would have known this. Sorry you missed it! A good time was had by all!

does the FSC send you any type of identification card or anything?

Centurion · 06-22-2005, 07:33 PM

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Originally Posted by 2257-Ben

That's pretty easy... When the DOJ comes knocking all you have to do is let them know they cannot enforce their law because you are a member of the FSC... If you had been in SD at the FSC symposium you would have known this. Sorry you missed it! A good time was had by all!

Oh, if only that were true! There are no "special rights" in this country when it comes to the application of the law. Being a member of some Coaltion that reached an out of court settlement does not mean the settlement will cover only YOU in regards to the law. The reason being that the proposed law/regs was not just against YOUR group, but in general, against ALL adult webmasters operating in the United States. So, because you are a member of the FSC does not mean you can then get protection while others are prosecuted/persecuted.

GatorB · 06-22-2005, 07:34 PM

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Originally Posted by tony404

But why not join a group that fights for your industry, I think people have to understand the days of free rides on the net are coming to a close.

I didn't know you had to pay to have the Constituion apply to you. That's like rape victim having to pay for the prosecution before the DA will take him to trial.

Centurion · 06-22-2005, 07:34 PM

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Originally Posted by GatorB

Having or not having the money is NOT the issue. Why join a group that is willing to sell everyone else out? That would be like back in the 1960's if the NAACP struck a deal where only their members could sit at the front of the bus or at the lunch counter or drink from the "white" water fountain. Every other black that's not a member or any other minority is shit out of luck.

I agree with you very much on this one. If anyone honestly thinks only FSC members will get protection, just wait till someone files a lawsuit AGAINST the FSC or the settlement. The settlement will be thrown out so fast for being unconstitutional it ain't funny.

Sly · 06-22-2005, 07:35 PM

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Originally Posted by chase

That doesn't seem the least bit elitist to you?

I am just nosing my way back into the industry after a pretty tragic start to the year, and while I hate to admit it, $50 right now buys a lot of diapers when my almost ex-husband doesn't bother to help support our kids.

I'm starting back in the industry because I think it will enable me to get out of this hole faster.

We all have to start somewhere, and it's generally at the bottom.

No, it isn't elitist. This is a business for most, not just a hobby. This industry has the lowest monetary entry level commitment that I know of. For free, you can have your own "Internet business". That is pretty insane.

You may not be able to afford the $50-300 yearly fee now, but I urge you to join the coalition as soon as possible. As I was telling a friend today, hundreds of $300 donations can and has saved me hundreds and thousands of dollars in legal fees. Pretty remarkable if you ask me. A sort of union, if you will, based on donations.

chase · 06-22-2005, 07:36 PM

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Originally Posted by tony404

But why not join a group that fights for your industry, I think people have to understand the days of free rides on the net are coming to a close.

I will very likely join as soon as possible, regardless of the outcome of this battle, just in support of our industry.

But even if I was a member, I would still feel that non-members' rights are being trampled on the same amount as my own-no more and no less, and so I would feel they were entitled to the same protection the organization was fighting for.

I may be in the vast minority on that, but it's still the way I feel.

Paraskass · 06-22-2005, 07:37 PM

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Originally Posted by GatorB

Having or not having the money is NOT the issue. Why join a group that is willing to sell everyone else out? That would be like back in the 1960's if the NAACP struck a deal where only their members could sit at the front of the bus or at the lunch counter or drink from the "white" water fountain. Every other black that's not a member or any other minority is shit out of luck.

GatorB · 06-22-2005, 07:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Sly

You may not be able to afford the $50-300 yearly fee now, but I urge you to join the coalition as soon as possible.

Now you sound like an infomercial. Are you getting paid by comission by the FSC? This is more and more sounding as if the FSC is nothing more than scam artists.

Centurion · 06-22-2005, 07:38 PM

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Originally Posted by chase

I will very likely join as soon as possible, regardless of the outcome of this battle, just in support of our industry.

But even if I was a member, I would still feel that non-members' rights are being trampled on the same amount as my own-no more and no less, and so I would feel they were entitled to the same protection the organization was fighting for.

I may be in the vast minority on that, but it's still the way I feel.

Well, minority or not, I'm in 100% agreement with you here.

chase · 06-22-2005, 07:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Sly

No, it isn't elitist. This is a business for most, not just a hobby. This industry has the lowest monetary entry level commitment that I know of. For free, you can have your own "Internet business". That is pretty insane.

You may not be able to afford the $50-300 yearly fee now, but I urge you to join the coalition as soon as possible. As I was telling a friend today, hundreds of $300 donations can and has saved me hundreds and thousands of dollars in legal fees. Pretty remarkable if you ask me. A sort of union, if you will, based on donations.

I completely concur that it is a wise investment, besides just being the right thing to do; I hope that my point isn't coming across as anti-FSC, because that's not my intention at all.

Sly · 06-22-2005, 07:39 PM

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Originally Posted by GatorB

Now you sound like an infomercial. Are getting paid by comission by the FSC. This is more and more sounding as if the FSC is nothing more than scam artists.

It's true. I get a cut for every membership sent, $20.

Go join today!

Didn't I see you saying once you don't deal with adult much anymore? You sure are opinionated for someone this doesn't affect.

After Shock Media · 06-22-2005, 07:39 PM

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Originally Posted by 2257-Ben

Sorrry AfterShock... I can't agree with you on this one... First of all, I'm a 'quasi' member of the adult entertainment industry through my relationship with my parter, Newbreed... I signed up as a member for the FSC ($50) not because I thought I needed their protection from 2257, but to support the broader purpose of protecting the free speech rights of EVERYONE, whether they are involved in the adult industry or not... If you can't afford the $300 bucks a year for your corporate membership and the $50 a year individual membership to protect yourself against a legal catastrophe, then I would say you are pretty darn short-sighted and should serious consider whether you should withdraw from the industry.... Unless you have your heart set on sharing a cell with Bubba and being release from prison a decade or so from now with a size 11 asshole... It's your call...

I am a member so keep that in mind.
Also keep in mind we do the webmaster gig, content production, dvd production/sales, and also have talent. So that puts us in the 850.00 a year range which is a far cry from the 300.00 or the 50.00 But that is besides the point.

Unity is key and just protecting those that are members is wrong. At no time do I expect the FSC to cover my legal bills if I have them or provide me with anything else other than assuring my and everyone elses right to conduct business in adult entertainment. The FSC will not keep someone out of jail, they will not send you a lawyer if you need one. They are here for political industry issues.
There are many people who may be struggling or may just be trying to get into this business that will do a lot of good that may not be able to afford the "protection" of this group. Yes if someone can afford it they should join, but the group as a whole should be looking after the industry as a whole.

Mrs. Lenny2 · 06-22-2005, 07:40 PM

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Originally Posted by thewebgarage

I tried calling their mailbox is full

Try calling during normal business hours.

Phone: 818-348-9373
Toll-free: 866-FSC-9373

Morgan · 06-22-2005, 07:41 PM

go on with your business folks...

GatorB · 06-22-2005, 07:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Sly

Didn't I see you saying once you don't deal with adult much anymore? You sure are opinionated for someone this doesn't affect.

No you didn't see me say that. Most of my income comes from adult in fact. I'm not sure what this "deal" is but if it is as rumored then no I am not going to join any group that tells me I need to pay them for protection. That sound like mafia shakedown to me.

tony286 · 06-22-2005, 07:43 PM

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Originally Posted by chase

I will very likely join as soon as possible, regardless of the outcome of this battle, just in support of our industry.

But even if I was a member, I would still feel that non-members' rights are being trampled on the same amount as my own-no more and no less, and so I would feel they were entitled to the same protection the organization was fighting for.

I may be in the vast minority on that, but it's still the way I feel.

Your right everybody should be protected but unfortunately this is a business and if business people wanted to be protected they have to join.

Centurion · 06-22-2005, 07:51 PM

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Originally Posted by tony404

Your right everybody should be protected but unfortunately this is a business and if business people wanted to be protected they have to join.

Hmm..so, you're saying if you want to play at certain golf courses, you must be a MEMBER of OUR club before you can play there, eh?

Sorry..equal rights and protection under the law does not get trumped by the FSC and it's settlement (if there is one).

jonesy · 06-22-2005, 07:55 PM

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Originally Posted by GatorB

Yes it's going to be "good" news for the FSC in term of a way of getting mroe peole tofork over money to become members. I smell BS.

you should be supporting them you asshole

theyre doing something other than posting useless ill-informed non factual personal opinions about 2257 like you do.

Probono · 06-22-2005, 08:04 PM

If indeed a deal is made it is logical that it will only effect the plaintiffs and only until the court makes a ruling.

Guitar Riff · 06-22-2005, 08:19 PM

You people make me laugh do you really fucking believe some of the shit you read !

If any injunction is passed it will not affect one group it will affect the industry as a whole.

If this were to be true the part of only FSC members being exempt how do you think they will know who is and who isn't prosecutable.

Of Course after the hearing tomorrow they will have a list of names and if they get a 2 month reprieve you can guarantee they will target every member on that list just because they are pissed that they got held up for an extra 2 or 3 months.
So we paid 50.00 or 300.00 whichever and in the end we might have just paid our money to get our names put on a DOJ hit list.

Im members of FSC and ACLU but i'll be damned if i'll depend on just that to save me. I went and got the advice from an attorney which is what everyone that is serious about the business should have done in the first place.

06-22-2005, 06:59 PM	#1
Centurion Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: SeATtle Posts: 6,033	Settlement Reached on new 2257 Regs!! Announcement of agreement between FSC & DOJ tomorrow at 1:30Pm!! Going to be interesting to see what the settlement is!! http://www.xbiz.com/news_piece.php?id=9236 __________________

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Spunky I need a beer Industry Role: Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: ♠ Toiletville ♠ Posts: 133,949	Should be intresting to see what it is __________________ *YOUR INFORMATION HERE*

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Centurion Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: SeATtle Posts: 6,033	It's pretty obvious that IF there is an out of court settlement before tomorrow's hearing on the injunction..it's going to be VERY interesting to see if the settlement affects ONLY members of the FSC or everybody. __________________

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Centurion Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: SeATtle Posts: 6,033	Posted on another forum: ---------------------- I received a call from my attorney about an hour ago who first asked, "Are you a member of the Free Speech Coalition?" I responded, "Yes." He then said, "That's the right answer. You're going to be very happy with something that just happened." He went on to say that he couldn't go into details right now but that he would be in touch. __________________

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GatorB The Demon & 12clicks Industry Role: Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: SallyRand is a FAGGOT Posts: 18,208	Gee thanks for the 3rd such post on this rumor.

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pr0 rockin tha trailerpark Industry Role: Join Date: May 2001 Location: ~Coastal~ Posts: 23,088	Yea FSC is going to come out with alot of $, & the DOJ is still going to fuck everyone over. Oh well, time to shoot my own content & get a file cabinet. __________________ __________ Loadedca$h - get sum! - Revengebucks - mmm rebills! - webair (gotz sErVrz)

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Centurion Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: SeATtle Posts: 6,033	And if THIS rumor is actually what was agreed upon: "FSC and DOJ have agreed to a 60 to 90 day hold on inspections" it TOTALLY sucks as it means in a couple of months..the DOJ can STILL come after everyone. Cannot believe this to be true..hard to believe the FSC would strike a deal for just 2-3 months stay and totally drop the injunction/further hearings on the regs. __________________

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After Shock Media It's coming look busy Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: "Ph'nglui mglw'nafh Cthulhu R'lyeh wgah'nagl fhtagn". Posts: 35,299	I am a member of the FSC. I also stand by the fact that if a deal was reached that only protects or caters to the FSC's members, or worse yet a compromise that would allow the majority of it to pass would be complete and utter bullshit. Such an organization should be trying to protect everyone in the business and the business itself, not just those that can afford to become members. __________________ [email protected] ICQ:135982156 AIM: Aftershockmed1a MSN: [email protected]

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Brujah Beer Money Baron Industry Role: Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: brujah / gmail Posts: 22,157	LOL, interesting. Fellow First Amendment attorney Gregory Piccionelli added, "I cannot state in more emphatic terms that you have to be out of your mind if you don't become a member of the FSC immediately." __________________ Free Premium Domain Lists and Tools at Clickmojo.com For Sale: Obscenity.com

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2257-Ben Confirmed User Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Dinuba, CA Posts: 633	Sorrry AfterShock... I can't agree with you on this one... First of all, I'm a 'quasi' member of the adult entertainment industry through my relationship with my parter, Newbreed... I signed up as a member for the FSC ($50) not because I thought I needed their protection from 2257, but to support the broader purpose of protecting the free speech rights of EVERYONE, whether they are involved in the adult industry or not... If you can't afford the $300 bucks a year for your corporate membership and the $50 a year individual membership to protect yourself against a legal catastrophe, then I would say you are pretty darn short-sighted and should serious consider whether you should withdraw from the industry.... Unless you have your heart set on sharing a cell with Bubba and being release from prison a decade or so from now with a size 11 asshole... It's your call... __________________ 2257-Ben www.2257ware.com The BEST, most compliant 2257 record-keeping software available. Period.

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2257-Ben Confirmed User Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Dinuba, CA Posts: 633	That's pretty easy... When the DOJ comes knocking all you have to do is let them know they cannot enforce their law because you are a member of the FSC... If you had been in SD at the FSC symposium you would have known this. Sorry you missed it! A good time was had by all! __________________ 2257-Ben www.2257ware.com The BEST, most compliant 2257 record-keeping software available. Period.

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Guitar Riff Confirmed User Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: USA Posts: 320	You people make me laugh do you really fucking believe some of the shit you read ! If any injunction is passed it will not affect one group it will affect the industry as a whole. If this were to be true the part of only FSC members being exempt how do you think they will know who is and who isn't prosecutable. Of Course after the hearing tomorrow they will have a list of names and if they get a 2 month reprieve you can guarantee they will target every member on that list just because they are pissed that they got held up for an extra 2 or 3 months. So we paid 50.00 or 300.00 whichever and in the end we might have just paid our money to get our names put on a DOJ hit list. Im members of FSC and ACLU but i'll be damned if i'll depend on just that to save me. I went and got the advice from an attorney which is what everyone that is serious about the business should have done in the first place. __________________ Buy and Sell Your Traffic to US!!