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jollyperv · 06-09-2005, 11:00 PM

If this shit ends up working and the FSC is denied an injunction, how would the US go about trying to invoke this as international law? I know there's probably no way really, but imagine if they try.... "if you don't adopt our 2257 laws, then you are terrorists"

just some random thoughts.

StickyGreen · 06-09-2005, 11:00 PM

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Kris The Knife · 06-09-2005, 11:09 PM

Yup it will be effect everyone. Everyone has to comply just because most of the sales are from US. If they don't comply, they won't get US sales. All the people saying we don't live in US, we won't be effected are idiots.

If you don't comply, your site will be blocked from US. Hosting outside of US won't help.

NTSS · 06-09-2005, 11:11 PM

The next move will be to lobby other countries to pass similar laws.

ryph · 06-09-2005, 11:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Kris The Knife

Yup it will be effect everyone. Everyone has to comply just because most of the sales are from US. If they don't comply, they won't get US sales. All the people saying we don't live in US, we won't be effected are idiots.

If you don't comply, your site will be blocked from US. Hosting outside of US won't help.

offshore billing solutions exist ya know. this really is just gonna move porn money offshores the same as spam.

Kris The Knife · 06-09-2005, 11:25 PM

ryph -
how can a offshore biller bill a US sale when this US guy can't visit your site?

your site will be barred from US = no us sales

Oracle Porn · 06-09-2005, 11:28 PM

oh shut the fuck up

ryph · 06-09-2005, 11:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Kris The Knife

ryph -
how can a offshore biller bill a US sale when this US guy can't visit your site?

your site will be barred from US = no us sales

the same exact ways offshore pharmacies bill spam sales from the us. you dont need a us billing company to accept us visa cards as many would like to make you think.

edit: what you mean when they cant visit your site? are you suggesting that there will be nationwide filters barring overseas hosts?

Kris The Knife · 06-10-2005, 12:09 AM

ryph - barring non compliant websites not hosts
not impossible is it?

spacemonk · 06-10-2005, 12:19 AM

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Originally Posted by Kris The Knife

ryph - barring non compliant websites not hosts
not impossible is it?

yeah, its happening already

see if you can access www.verydirtypornsiteshere.com

WarChild · 06-10-2005, 12:32 AM

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Originally Posted by Kris The Knife

Yup it will be effect everyone. Everyone has to comply just because most of the sales are from US. If they don't comply, they won't get US sales. All the people saying we don't live in US, we won't be effected are idiots.

If you don't comply, your site will be blocked from US. Hosting outside of US won't help.

Give me a break. With the amazing profits being made on online gambling, something totally illegal in the United States, you seriously want me to believe the US goverment can just "block" sites like some sort of magical fucking forest nymph?

"Henny Penny! Henny Penny!"
"What is it it Chicken Little?"
"The sky is fucking falling and worse yet I don't have model IDS, wah wah wah"

Fonz · 06-10-2005, 12:49 AM

The sky isn't falling yet kiddies, relax...

solonline · 06-10-2005, 01:08 AM

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Originally Posted by Kris The Knife

Yup it will be effect everyone. Everyone has to comply just because most of the sales are from US. If they don't comply, they won't get US sales. All the people saying we don't live in US, we won't be effected are idiots.

If you don't comply, your site will be blocked from US. Hosting outside of US won't help.

Utter bollocks! Do you really think that non US webmasters will be barred anytime soon from selling filth to the Americans ? The time they do try a blanket block they will be no porn left in the USA. You have to understand "little old rest of the world" have their own billers own hosts and can even shoot their own content. It does not start nor end with the USA.

angelsofporn · 06-10-2005, 01:52 AM

In the end if they get thier wish to end US involvement in online porn then the result would just be unregulated content. Resulting in harder core stuff...americans will still be able to access everything.
The french parliment debated this same issue last year and came to this exact conclusion. Funny how much more near sighted the US lawmakers are.
Well i guess in the US this is for votes, not the betterment of society as they try to have you believe...

Pleasurepays · 06-10-2005, 01:55 AM

SykkBoy · 06-10-2005, 02:00 AM

end of the world? nope
end of the way we currently do busines? pretty much
it's all about adapting and overcoming...some people will dry up and blow away and others will make more money than they've ever made before.

$pikes · 06-10-2005, 02:05 AM

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Best laugh I had all night! Thanks!

Kris The Knife · 06-10-2005, 02:20 AM

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Originally Posted by solonline

Utter bollocks! Do you really think that non US webmasters will be barred anytime soon from selling filth to the Americans ? The time they do try a blanket block they will be no porn left in the USA. You have to understand "little old rest of the world" have their own billers own hosts and can even shoot their own content. It does not start nor end with the USA.

how many sales do you get from "little old rest of the world" ?

spacemonk · 06-10-2005, 02:31 AM

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Originally Posted by Kris The Knife

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solonline · 06-10-2005, 02:53 AM

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Originally Posted by Kris The Knife

how many sales do you get from "little old rest of the world" ?

around 40 percent of our sales are from non US countrys. It aint so little -

Fabien · 06-10-2005, 03:22 AM

In Uk it's against the law to keep records of people on a web site

Now wtf you do with this one ??????

Matt_WildCash · 06-10-2005, 03:31 AM

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Originally Posted by solonline

Utter bollocks! Do you really think that non US webmasters will be barred anytime soon from selling filth to the Americans ? The time they do try a blanket block they will be no porn left in the USA. You have to understand "little old rest of the world" have their own billers own hosts and can even shoot their own content. It does not start nor end with the USA.

Great post totally agree, people are saying "ohh well if your not in the US and your not applying these laws to the EXACT letter of the law or whatever then you won't be processing cause the US is going to ban ALL non US porn."

Give me a break

Sarah_Jayne · 06-10-2005, 04:21 AM

I just like the use of bollocks in this thread.

Dirty F · 06-10-2005, 04:25 AM

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Originally Posted by Kris The Knife

ryph -
how can a offshore biller bill a US sale when this US guy can't visit your site?

your site will be barred from US = no us sales

Idiot.

Stfu

prezzz · 06-10-2005, 04:36 AM

I'm so fuckin' amused by all those idiots who think that the whole world needs and has to obey US laws... You're fuckin' clueless.

TheSaint · 06-10-2005, 06:45 AM

No, this is a US law and effects US residents and/or companies only. The only reason you see non-US sites attempting to comply is because affiliates, content producers, etc., are often located in the U.S. There is not and will never be any sort of "blocking" in the U.S. - only China and similar banana republics do that.

solonline · 06-10-2005, 06:47 AM

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Originally Posted by Kris The Knife

ryph -
how can a offshore biller bill a US sale when this US guy can't visit your site?

your site will be barred from US = no us sales

Oh my oh my this is fuking priceless - actually made me laugh out loud.
Where the fuk does it say it bar non US Sites.

solonline · 06-10-2005, 06:48 AM

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Originally Posted by sarah_webinc

I just like the use of bollocks in this thread.

not a word I use that often - but I like it along with "Twat" said in caps

European Lee · 06-10-2005, 06:50 AM

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Originally Posted by Fonz

The sky isn't falling yet kiddies, relax...

Shhhh....

The more people that think it is falling the better....

For the rest of us

Regards,

Lee

Dirty F · 06-10-2005, 08:03 AM

Who is this Kris dude? I need to find out what kind of dope he uses.

directfiesta · 06-10-2005, 08:08 AM

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Originally Posted by Kris The Knife

Yup it will be effect everyone. Everyone has to comply just because most of the sales are from US. If they don't comply, they won't get US sales. All the people saying we don't live in US, we won't be effected are idiots.

If you don't comply, your site will be blocked from US. Hosting outside of US won't help.

I needed something stupid to read.
Thanks!

fireorange · 06-10-2005, 08:09 AM

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Originally Posted by Kris The Knife

Yup it will be effect everyone. Everyone has to comply just because most of the sales are from US. If they don't comply, they won't get US sales. All the people saying we don't live in US, we won't be effected are idiots.

If you don't comply, your site will be blocked from US. Hosting outside of US won't help.

Yep blocked like all the online casinos, oh wait.

fireorange · 06-10-2005, 08:10 AM

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Originally Posted by directfiesta

I needed something stupid to read.
Thanks!

Yep he filled GatorB's shoes while he's at his dayjob.

SGS · 06-10-2005, 08:16 AM

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Originally Posted by spacemonk

Just about says it all I think

Dirty Dane · 06-10-2005, 08:16 AM

There are no such thing as International Laws and if there were, 2257 would be far down the list. Why should other countries even listen, when US government don't even want to adapt the closest things, and more serious, to international "laws";
Geneva Convention
Kyoto Agreement
to name a few...
Besides that, there are other much clever ways to handle this. The difference is those who make the laws.

mikeyddddd · 06-10-2005, 08:19 AM

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Originally Posted by angelsofporn

Well i guess in the US this is for votes, not the betterment of society as they try to have you believe...

Exactamundo.

Paco, of Large Cash. · 06-10-2005, 08:23 AM

... and here is the sound track for when the blue thing finally drops: SkyIsFalling(mp3)

directfiesta · 06-10-2005, 08:23 AM

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Originally Posted by Dirty Dane

There are no such thing as International Laws and if there were, 2257 would be far down the list. Why should other countries even listen, when US government don't even want to adapt the closest things, and more serious, to international "laws";
Geneva Convention
Kyoto Agreement
to name a few...
Besides that, there are other much clever ways to handle this. The difference is those who make the laws.

The difference is also " what is the real purpose of the law " ...

Maybe, along the way, they will say:

" Well, we tought they had MCP ( massive child porn) and tough we had not yet found it, it must be somewhere. But, don't forget, we got rid of a porn regime that was very very bad. We got rid of the badmans. Would you have prefered if we would have left them flourish, threaten or social value, supply that porn to ennemies ... Now, the world is much safer, and your kids can walk to the ice cream truck" ....

taibo · 06-10-2005, 08:29 AM

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Dirty Dane · 06-10-2005, 08:35 AM

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Originally Posted by directfiesta

The difference is also " what is the real purpose of the law " ...

Maybe, along the way, they will say:

" Well, we tought they had MCP ( massive child porn) and tough we had not yet found it, it must be somewhere. But, don't forget, we got rid of a porn regime that was very very bad. We got rid of the badmans. Would you have prefered if we would have left them flourish, threaten or social value, supply that porn to ennemies ... Now, the world is much safer, and your kids can walk to the ice cream truck" ....

Yes. And with the diplomatic crisis, you can call it that, facing this century, I think it would be a major mistake to spend ressources on telling other western countries to implement something that should give up their civil rights in the name of something that is a "minor" problem, compared to other outlaw countries.

angelsofporn · 06-10-2005, 08:47 AM

sell your sites to me!!

FilthyRob · 06-10-2005, 08:51 AM

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Originally Posted by Pleasurepays

Perfect pic for this

VeriSexy · 06-10-2005, 09:30 AM

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Originally Posted by Pleasurepays

Kris The Knife · 06-10-2005, 09:36 AM

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Originally Posted by Franck

Idiot.

Stfu

yup i might be the biggest idiot in the world. I still can't understand how a guy in US can be billed if he can't visit your european website.

Instead of calling me Idiot, enlightening me would be helpfull

(Now that is assuming your Gov will implement its law which says access to US market will be denied if you don't comply)

Kris The Knife · 06-10-2005, 09:41 AM

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Originally Posted by Franck

Who is this Kris dude? I need to find out what kind of dope he uses.

Its called GREY CELLS
god gives them to a few of his favourite creations

Dirty F · 06-10-2005, 09:48 AM

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Originally Posted by Kris The Knife

yup i might be the biggest idiot in the world. I still can't understand how a guy in US can be billed if he can't visit your european website.

Instead of calling me Idiot, enlightening me would be helpfull

(Now that is assuming your Gov will implement its law which says access to US market will be denied if you don't comply)

Idiot, nobody is gonna block urls.

solonline · 06-10-2005, 09:49 AM

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Originally Posted by Kris The Knife

yup i might be the biggest idiot in the world. I still can't understand how a guy in US can be billed if he can't visit your european website.

Instead of calling me Idiot, enlightening me would be helpfull

(Now that is assuming your Gov will implement its law which says access to US market will be denied if you don't comply)

Fucking christ - do you sit in a bunker with a tin hat on waiting for the end of the world ? Which is "your gov" which one of the european states and the countless other countrys that do actually exsist outside of the US OF A!!!!
You imagine each country will jump soon as America shouts.
This makes me laugh so fucking hard.
Which leads me to HARD CORE - BRING IT FUCKING ON -- BRING IT ON!

Thank Fuk we got out of the USA when we did.

wjxxx · 06-10-2005, 09:54 AM

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Originally Posted by Kris The Knife

Yup it will be effect everyone. Everyone has to comply just because most of the sales are from US. If they don't comply, they won't get US sales. All the people saying we don't live in US, we won't be effected are idiots.

If you don't comply, your site will be blocked from US. Hosting outside of US won't help.

Kris The Knife · 06-10-2005, 10:04 AM

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Originally Posted by Franck

Idiot, nobody is gonna block urls.

well the law says it will isn't it?

directfiesta · 06-10-2005, 10:07 AM

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Originally Posted by Kris The Knife

yup i might be the biggest idiot in the world. I still can't understand how a guy in US can be billed if he can't visit your european website.

Instead of calling me Idiot, enlightening me would be helpfull

(Now that is assuming your Gov will implement its law which says access to US market will be denied if you don't comply)

OMG... he IS serious

The US gov will take it's big scissors out and cut the wire under the ocean.....

With his " grey cells " , I beleive he voted for those laws.... because they told him so.

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Kris The Knife Confirmed User Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 481	Yup it will be effect everyone. Everyone has to comply just because most of the sales are from US. If they don't comply, they won't get US sales. All the people saying we don't live in US, we won't be effected are idiots. If you don't comply, your site will be blocked from US. Hosting outside of US won't help.

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angelsofporn Confirmed User Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: CA Posts: 3,218	In the end if they get thier wish to end US involvement in online porn then the result would just be unregulated content. Resulting in harder core stuff...americans will still be able to access everything. The french parliment debated this same issue last year and came to this exact conclusion. Funny how much more near sighted the US lawmakers are. Well i guess in the US this is for votes, not the betterment of society as they try to have you believe...

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