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Old 06-21-2005, 02:03 PM   #1
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A big Fuck YOU to sponsors!

You guys wait till the last fuckin minute to post or email about your new 2257 content policies and terms of service. I have over 9 k of pages out there and now these sponsors say they are not going to release the proper docs to the afillates.

Now i have 2 options now

A: pull all pages down and lose all of my income
B: Leave my pages up and deal with outcome


This is not about only me. There are 1000's of webmasters out there in the same boat. Now please tell me why the hell you guys wont release the docs to your afillates? We are good enough to send you sales. But yet you wont help us comply wtf? Alot of sponsors just lost alot of sales from alot afillates.


Now I am calling for some sponsors to step up and say hey " For any webmaster that can send sales and follow are terms, we will send you the required docs.

So tell me what fuckin sponsor got the balls to step up to the plate?

There are alot of afillates lookin for new sponsors!


Before people flame me right now i dont give a fuck. I dont care if you walk out side and get hit my a car, i dont care if you choke on a chicken bone, i dont care if you live to see tommorw right now.

Two things you dont mess with a mans family or his money. Right now most sponsors are breaking both of my rules
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Old 06-21-2005, 02:06 PM   #2
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The fact that you have a level of intelligence to react in such a harsh way tells me that they may be making the right decision to not send out sensitive private information to their webmasters...
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Old 06-21-2005, 02:09 PM   #3
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The fact that you have a level of intelligence to react in such a harsh way tells me that they may be making the right decision to not send out sensitive private information to their webmasters...

Care to elaborate?
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Old 06-21-2005, 02:10 PM   #4
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Before people flame me right now i dont give a fuck. I dont care if you walk out side and get hit my a car, i dont care if you choke on a chicken bone, i dont care if you live to see tommorw right now.
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Old 06-21-2005, 02:11 PM   #5
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Now please tell me why the hell you guys wont release the docs to your afillates? We are good enough to send you sales. But yet you wont help us comply wtf? Alot of sponsors just lost alot of sales from alot afillates.

i'm not a sponsor, but the new 2257 raise some MAJOR privacy issues for the models. If I was a sponsor, I also wouldn't give you my girls name and address info..
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Old 06-21-2005, 02:11 PM   #6
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Let me break it down for you real simple. Flame away i dont care.....
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complain complain complain. suck my fucking dick, dont like it? go get a job serving burgers like kak_azn.

you are the weakest link.

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Let me break it down for you real simple. Flame away i dont care.....
Not flaming at all, just stating a fact. You sound like a loose cannon... just the people that the program owners are afraid will get a hold of their model's info, hence the reason most of them will not release it
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Old 06-21-2005, 02:14 PM   #9
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Old 06-21-2005, 02:15 PM   #10
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i'm not a sponsor, but the new 2257 raise some MAJOR privacy issues for the models. If I was a sponsor, I also wouldn't give you my girls name and address info..
Its just not about me its about all afillates. I wish some of the afillates guys would step up for once and have a set of balls. We are the back bone of the business. We make the sponsors what they are.....
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You have to realize that they all did this just because they hate you. They knew they'd leave you with no good options and laughed all the while they waited and colaborated together to really piss you off.

I'd be mad too if I were you.... course, I've never had an entire industry conspire against me.
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Old 06-21-2005, 02:16 PM   #12
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Not flaming at all, just stating a fact. You sound like a loose cannon... just the people that the program owners are afraid will get a hold of their model's info, hence the reason most of them will not release it

Na dude dont mean to come off like one. I am actually a cool calm collective guy. Just last few days with all things going on got me stressed. Im about to lose a suitable amont of income thats all....
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Old 06-21-2005, 02:17 PM   #13
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You have to realize that they all did this just because they hate you. They knew they'd leave you with no good options and laughed all the while they waited and colaborated together to really piss you off.

I'd be mad too if I were you.... course, I've never had an entire industry conspire against me.
Were do i get my tin foil hat from?
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Old 06-21-2005, 02:19 PM   #14
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it's just privacy concerns bro.. this shit WILL go away with the pending litigation, and I'm sure then they'll all be happy to release the proper docs... but only after they can blur the model's personal info.
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I have to admit that it sucks big time. I went with your option A and decided to pull all my freesites and galleries. Which means less traffic and less sales. My LL is gonna be all text within the next few days. I'm still in the process of removing all sexually explicit images from my server. This is really fucked up. I feel for ya bro. I know your gonna lose money but it sure as hell beats losing your ass virginity. Good luck...
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do you even know what info is included with the 2257 docs give that shit out to tons of people would be a major safety issue for the models get a fucking clue
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Old 06-21-2005, 02:21 PM   #17
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it's just privacy concerns bro.. this shit WILL go away with the pending litigation, and I'm sure then they'll all be happy to release the proper docs... but only after they can blur the model's personal info.

I hope you are right my man
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I have to admit that it sucks big time. I went with your option A and decided to pull all my freesites and galleries. Which means less traffic and less sales. My LL is gonna be all text within the next few days. I'm still in the process of removing all sexually explicit images from my server. This is really fucked up. I feel for ya bro. I know your gonna lose money but it sure as hell beats losing your ass virginity. Good luck...
Not just messed up for me but everyone. Good luck removeing all your sexually explicit images i know its gonna be a pain
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Your anger appears mis-directed - you lash out at people in the adult industry when your anger should be directed at the Bush administration and Bush appointed DOJ operatives (Ashcroft, Gonzalez, et al, who are trying to ramrod this through).

The new 2257 rules are causing difficulties for practically everyone involved in the adult biz. It has taken time to learn and understand what exactly is expected, as well as to form a plan of action.

I would recommend that you do what most of us I assume have done or are in the process of doing, and that is to quit your bitching and get to work.

I'm optimistic that the FSC will succeed in getting a TRO against implementation of the new 2257, and that they may be able to overturn certain provisions of the law. However, to cover my bet (and my ass) I'm making certain that all is in order with my paperwork.

The bottom line...deal with it.

If you don't like it, become a content producer yourself, or get another job.

Have a pornographic day,

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Old 06-21-2005, 02:25 PM   #21
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do you even know what info is included with the 2257 docs give that shit out to tons of people would be a major safety issue for the models get a fucking clue

Get a clue lol here let me tell you i am about to lose a 5 figured monthy income. I got all the clues i need.......
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Your anger appears mis-directed - you lash out at people in the adult industry when your anger should be directed at the Bush administration and Bush appointed DOJ operatives (Ashcroft, Gonzalez, et al, who are trying to ramrod this through).

The new 2257 rules are causing difficulties for practically everyone involved in the adult biz. It has taken time to learn and understand what exactly is expected, as well as to form a plan of action.

I would recommend that you do what most of us I assume have done or are in the process of doing, and that is to quit your bitching and get to work.

I'm optimistic that the FSC will succeed in getting a TRO against implementation of the new 2257, and that they may be able to overturn certain provisions of the law. However, to cover my bet (and my ass) I'm making certain that all is in order with my paperwork.

The bottom line...deal with it.

If you don't like it, become a content producer yourself, or get another job.

Have a pronographic day,

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Interesting points in that post
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Let me break it down for you real simple. Flame away i dont care.....
In that case be prepaired...........
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You have to realize that they all did this just because they hate you. They knew they'd leave you with no good options and laughed all the while they waited and colaborated together to really piss you off.

I'd be mad too if I were you.... course, I've never had an entire industry conspire against me.

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In that case be prepaired...........

I dont care either way. We both know what majority type of people are on this board.....
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you are the weakest link.

goodbye.

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goodbye.

Says the man thats not 2257 compliant....
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You have to realize that they all did this just because they hate you. They knew they'd leave you with no good options and laughed all the while they waited and colaborated together to really piss you off.

I'd be mad too if I were you.... course, I've never had an entire industry conspire against me.

Just curious what new polices has Nichpay adopted with the new 2257 laws?

not tryin to start shit just curios........
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Just curious what new polices has Nichpay adopted with the new 2257 laws?

not tryin to start shit just curios........
Well, we got stuck in the same boat as everyone else... trying to get the proper docs and ID from the content producers we got the content from. It's not easy.

We only have one company left and we'll be ready to supply everything that affiliates will need to promote all of our free content.

It's extremely last minute but couldn't be helped unfortunately. But we will be ready as will our affiliates before the deadline.
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Says the man thats not 2257 compliant....
And you think posting this shit here will help you? Like the sponsors will come to Hornydog4cooter and release all the info because oh no, they don't want to see Hornydog4cooter pissed off!
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I dont think he is flying off the handle , if I made my living as a affiliate fulltime and I m waiting as the clock is ticking I would be pissed also. I think most of this should of been thought out when the proposed regs were out. They werent going to just fade away.
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Agreed.. Vanderweb... I've been getting more sales off text than thumbs recently anyways...WTF? I'm all for compliance, although I'm kinda laughing because I KNOW this shit can't be enforced - only doing it for sponsors.
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Its just not about me its about all afillates. I wish some of the afillates guys would step up for once and have a set of balls. We are the back bone of the business. We make the sponsors what they are.....

You must be the 10% people always speak of. You know 90% of a programs money comes from 10% of their affiliates. ...........anyhow.

Do you think this makes ANY sponsor happy? By not giving out ID's and the like, they stand to lose money as well. Their are some sponsors that have made the very dangerous decision of giving out id's . Some are giving out some form of id's ( alterd or encryted) , and those who are playing it safe for everyone, Model, affiliate, and program have for the most part adopted the policy of softcore content only.

Why don't you " step up for once and have a set of balls" and promote hardcore without the doc's?? That is just as stupid as giving them out.

Or go really crazy and purchase some content of the hardcore variety and promote the hardcore sites anyway you want?

Getting pissed about not getting doc's from a sponsor who allowed you into this business with such a low bar of entry a.k.a FREE content, Free hosting, ect is stupid. While I agree you have "worked" but without their tools you will have had ZERO money lifetime to date, so get a grip and adjust. There are plenty of affiliates to take your place. Ones who will have the skills to sell with the tools they are given.

not trying to flame you but damn
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I dont think he is flying off the handle , if I made my living as a affiliate fulltime and I m waiting as the clock is ticking I would be pissed also. I think most of this should of been thought out when the proposed regs were out. They werent going to just fade away.

Thanks Tony for the post. After walking away i reread my post and probably came off the wrong way to most....

what i am pissed about the most is most of the sponsors i worked with waited for the last few days to post or email there new polices. Now this has become a nightmare to all afillates affected...
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Well, we got stuck in the same boat as everyone else... trying to get the proper docs and ID from the content producers we got the content from. It's not easy.

We only have one company left and we'll be ready to supply everything that affiliates will need to promote all of our free content.

It's extremely last minute but couldn't be helped unfortunately. But we will be ready as will our affiliates before the deadline.

Hey man i give you props . My thread was about sponsors and you kept your cool and answered my question. Much repect
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You must be the 10% people always speak of. You know 90% of a programs money comes from 10% of their affiliates. ...........anyhow.

Do you think this makes ANY sponsor happy? By not giving out ID's and the like, they stand to lose money as well. Their are some sponsors that have made the very dangerous decision of giving out id's . Some are giving out some form of id's ( alterd or encryted) , and those who are playing it safe for everyone, Model, affiliate, and program have for the most part adopted the policy of softcore content only.

Why don't you " step up for once and have a set of balls" and promote hardcore without the doc's?? That is just as stupid as giving them out.

Or go really crazy and purchase some content of the hardcore variety and promote the hardcore sites anyway you want?

Getting pissed about not getting doc's from a sponsor who allowed you into this business with such a low bar of entry a.k.a FREE content, Free hosting, ect is stupid. While I agree you have "worked" but without their tools you will have had ZERO money lifetime to date, so get a grip and adjust. There are plenty of affiliates to take your place. Ones who will have the skills to sell with the tools they are given.

not trying to flame you but damn


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Thanks Tony for the post. After walking away i reread my post and probably came off the wrong way to most....

what i am pissed about the most is most of the sponsors i worked with waited for the last few days to post or email there new polices. Now this has become a nightmare to all afillates affected...

Ah OK with that said I take back alot of the things that may seem to have been directed towards you.


Yeah the last minute notification is the drizzling shits.
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I am not a lawyer .... But if i am not mistaking if we release model's private info we also open ourselves up to litigation from them and civil lawsuits from their familys if some psycho does get their info and does something awful to them!

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Hey man i give you props . My thread was about sponsors and you kept your cool and answered my question. Much repect

Well, I'm not going to lie to you and can't really sugar coat it. It sucks and I know it... but unfortunately, there's nothing I can do about it. Just gotta do what I can and try for the best for all involved, as well as hope for the best for all involved
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I am not a lawyer .... But if i am not mistaking if we release model's private info we also open ourselves up to litigation from them and civil lawsuits from their familys if some psycho does get their info and does something awful to them!

xoxox,
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You would be correct. Look out for AngryMomandPopBucks.com (tm) coming to an affiliate program near you.

Yeah, I'm sure with 2257 most would probably get off on any criminal charges. but a civil suit?? forget about it.
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I'm more pissed they waited until the last 2-3 days to post their decision than the fact they won't release ID's.
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Old 06-21-2005, 04:08 PM   #43
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Old 06-21-2005, 04:09 PM   #44
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Before people flame me right now i dont give a fuck. I dont care if you walk out side and get hit my a car, i dont care if you choke on a chicken bone, i dont care if you live to see tommorw right now.
Dating Gold must be really proud to have you as an affiliate.
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Old 06-21-2005, 04:10 PM   #45
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I'm more pissed they waited until the last 2-3 days to post their decision than the fact they won't release ID's.

Yeah thats my biggest gripe
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Old 06-21-2005, 04:10 PM   #46
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You would be correct. Look out for AngryMomandPopBucks.com (tm) coming to an affiliate program near you.

Yeah, I'm sure with 2257 most would probably get off on any criminal charges. but a civil suit?? forget about it.
LOL that was pretty funny ... but sadly very true!

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Old 06-21-2005, 04:11 PM   #47
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Old 06-21-2005, 04:13 PM   #48
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Dating Gold must be really proud to have you as an affiliate.

Dating Gold got there stuff together with a few link changes i will be fine with there program. I hope they are pround of me. They got a good program over there.
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Old 06-21-2005, 04:19 PM   #49
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I tend to agree. The emails and board announcements I've been reading are pretty much saying. "Thanks for the sales, now fuck off" in not so many words.

It's like they all just copy and paste each others emails.

I just redirected all my shit to 2 main sponsors, an AFF safe landing page, and my own ebony paysite.
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I don't think some people realize how much work the new 2257 rules have meant to primary content producers. In addition to having to try and interpret some vague and confusing rules, I was faced with a mountain of new paperwork and unanticipated expenses that for me have run into the thousands of dollars.

I guess I am fortunate that I don't have to deal with the secondary producer issues since I don't have an affiliate program and I don't sell my content. However I am certain that those that do have had to agonize over what to do and then no matter which course they chose, had to work their butts off even more to make their programs compliant by the 23rd.

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